$1.65-bn SAR aircraft deal likely to take off during Modi’s Japan visit

[sancho]

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Could also be declared for "civil" use, but would make a bigger operational difference, if procured instead of additional C17s.

The simple fact is regardless of how cheap the Be 200 is it is NOT the best machine for the task.

It's not about if the Be 200 is cheaper or if the US 2 is the best, but what cost is justifiable just for the SAR role or how to utilize the budget at best!
I don't see any operational advantages that IN gets, that makes such a price worth it, especially when more important procurements are waiting (ASW helicopter, MRMR aicraft, additional P8Is, SSK's, tankers and even LDPs would be more important).

Just an example, for the $1.65 billion for just 15 x US2's IN could also buy:

15 x Bombardier 415 - $36.8 millions / $552 millions (SAR, transport to and from Islands)
9 x C295 MPA - $50 millions / $450 million (MRMR with ASW capability)
~5 x MV22 Osprey's - around $140 million system (uttility support + SAR to and from the CBG)

=> roughly twice the number of aircrafts
=> cost-effective SAR and transports around our coastlines and the Islands
=> more ASW and maritime patrol capability
=> most advanced choice for the long range CBG support

 

[Bang Galore]

What kind of "deals" are you talking about?
Do please note that; the French and Russians stepped in and got deals for themselves. So what worked for them and did not work for the Americans?

Sovereign immunity. The Russians & the French have it(their nuclear producers are state owned), the Americans don't. The Indian nuclear liability law ends up targeting the Americans disproportionately.

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Could also be declared for "civil" use, but would make a bigger operational difference, if procured instead of additional C17s.

That does make a lot of sense and is actually open to buy.

It's not about if the Be 200 is cheaper or if the US 2 is the best, but what cost is justifiable just for the SAR role or how to utilize the budget at best!
I don't see any operational advantages that IN gets, that makes such a price worth it, especially when more important procurements are waiting (ASW helicopter, MRMR aicraft, additional P8Is, SSK's, tankers and even LDPs would be more important).

Just an example, for the $1.65 billion for just 15 x US2's IN could also buy:

15 x Bombardier 415 - $36.8 millions / $552 millions (SAR, transport to and from Islands)
9 x C295 MPA - $50 millions / $450 million (MRMR with ASW capability)
~5 x MV22 Osprey's - around $140 million system (uttility support + SAR to and from the CBG)

=> roughly twice the number of aircrafts
=> cost-effective SAR and transports around our coastlines and the Islands
=> more ASW and maritime patrol capability
=> most advanced choice for the long range CBG support

About the financing bit, there is this report of sometime back that might shed some light....

Japan is considering providing low-interest loans from a state-run bank to support exports of aircraft designed for military use, the first time such sales are being considered since the end of World War Two, according to officials with knowledge of the still-developing policy

Japan eyes government support for military aircraft exports| Reuters

 

[Indo-guy]

Not a chance.(George Bush worked lines at night to get the Chinese to buckle).

" George Bush worked at night to get Chinese to buckle "

...but since George Bush is not in office ! we can't return the favor . You will have to wait till he gets back in the office ....

Nope, just repay what we got. .

India gave enough of deals to US ...
they are only worth that much .

India has paid in excess in return of namesake - symbolic self binding nuclear deal that we got due to US !!!

asking anything for more ...is too much greed on part of US

"Self respect & confidence" isn't demonstrated by being afraid of shadows & being scared of wolves about to swallow you. We have a different perception of what constitutes what.

Being not afraid of world's superpower and conducting it's policies in accordance with national interests that's what constitutes Self respect and confidence .

What kind of self respect you talk about when you expect India to sell out to US to pay dues for so called " life long deal " ???

Nice poetry there .... being afraid of shadows and scared of wolves about to swallow ...good rhyming ....keep it up

 

[Indo-guy]

Really? Do you know how much more secure is your Uranium reserves? Do you think they magically appeared? ..

Oh I am so sorry to forget that

well Let us worship God Uncle Sam for rest of our lives for giving us Yellow cake .

I have in fact written a new hymn in praise of Lord US .

" Our father ..which art in white House
Hoalloweth be thy name
thy kingdom come ...thy will be done ...
In india ...and in Asia
......Give us this daily ( yellow ) cake ...
and forgive us for our liability law ....
and forgive us for MMRCA mess
I have few more verses ..but I will reserve them for greater mass with fellow America lovers ....

 

[Indo-guy]

Sovereign immunity. The Russians & the French have it(their nuclear producers are state owned), the Americans don't. The Indian nuclear liability law ends up targeting the Americans disproportionately.

It's problem of America then ...

We had burnt our fingers with worst industrial disaster in the world like Bhopal tragedy ...

and we know very well how MNC escaped their responsibilities .

Our parliament passed nuclear liability law keeping in view with those situations which India alone have faced .

Just as Americans told us point blank that they can do nothing about hawkish Nuclear deal bill passed by US senate .

US also like other nuclear suppliers must respect law passed by Indian parliament ...no matter how strict it looks !

If they are not comfortable ...they are free to withdraw their participation from Nuclear commerce with India .

India can and India will find other nuclear suppliers which can work within framework of law passed by Indian parliament !!!

Indian parliament is meant to safeguard interests of Indian people ... it's mandate is neither to target American corporations nor to make favors for them !!!

 

[sancho]

About the financing bit, there is this report of sometime back that might shed some light...

Loans are not the issue for India imo, but that doesn't mean we should waste a lot of money for minor important procurements, rather than using the budget in the most efficient way, to deal with several demands or?