096 submarine news

[GS Zhou]

I think you mean someone else. I never said they can build one 096 per year. Not commissioning.

I disagree with MH Yang's idea that 096 can be "serviced" as in built or commissioned at one submarine every year.

No problem. We can move on.

 

[StraightEdge]

Any 'credible' rumours about these specs? Chinese tech seems good enough from US perspective, but it's their manufacturing capability which makes them more deadly. US naval fleet is stagnant, whereas Chinese are increasing their naval power at breathtaking pace. I can only assume if they need, they can increase it further.

 

[serenity]

Any 'credible' rumours about these specs? Chinese tech seems good enough from US perspective, but it's their manufacturing capability which makes them more deadly. US naval fleet is stagnant, whereas Chinese are increasing their naval power at breathtaking pace. I can only assume if they need, they can increase it further.

US navy definitely not stagnant. It is simply not like cold war times of buildup. China is trying to modernize and catch up in numbers but has advantage of being requiring defence position in smaller area. US wants things everywhere.

If they start a war, they will use most of their entire force. In that case I don't know how China can possibly defend unless we use nuclear weapons. They have 70 large destroyer and cruiser with 10 carrier and 50 or more very modern submarines.

Even at our new pace of development, we will require 10 years just to catch USA today. They are also moving ahead with new designs and weapons too. Which is why it is so important we developed and now fielded hypersonic weapons and maneuverable ballistic warheads to target their bases and carriers.

US shipyard numbers I think are larger than Chinese for military ships. We have more commercial shipyards since we take most of the world's commercial ship orders along with south korea. For military ships, we only have three major ones. The American have about 10.

 

[GumNaam]

US navy definitely not stagnant. It is simply not like cold war times of buildup. China is trying to modernize and catch up in numbers but has advantage of being requiring defence position in smaller area. US wants things everywhere.

If they start a war, they will use most of their entire force. In that case I don't know how China can possibly defend unless we use nuclear weapons. They have 70 large destroyer and cruiser with 10 carrier and 50 or more very modern submarines.

Even at our new pace of development, we will require 10 years just to catch USA today. They are also moving ahead with new designs and weapons too. Which is why it is so important we developed and now fielded hypersonic weapons and maneuverable ballistic warheads to target their bases and carriers.

US shipyard numbers I think are larger than Chinese for military ships. We have more commercial shipyards since we take most of the world's commercial ship orders along with south korea. For military ships, we only have three major ones. The American have about 10.

as far as american naval strength is concerned, China has taken the approach of force multipliers...using hypersonic anti shipping ballistic long range ballistic missiles is one such example. That effectively holds off the entire us navy surface fleet & forces them to remain face away from Chinese reach. It would be interesting to see what type of force multipliers has China deployed for subsurface warfare.

 

[serenity]

as far as american naval strength is concerned, China has taken the approach of force multipliers...using hypersonic anti shipping ballistic long range ballistic missiles is one such example. That effectively holds off the entire us navy surface fleet & forces them to remain face away from Chinese reach. It would be interesting to see what type of force multipliers has China deployed for subsurface warfare.

Subsurface warfare we use network on sea floor listening posts and many different types of underwater autonomous vehicles rarely talked or photographed. There was rumors before that part of China's improving anti submarine defence includes even space based systems. No idea how that can work but there it is and I have no doubt they have some methods similar to China's own communication with deep sea submarines including coordinating movement and target information. Physics I am not familiar with at all but the stuff some Americans said were weather control devices for ionosphere is really for atmosphere study and also for deep sea communication. It is no accident China has many types of huge areas filled with antennas for similar purposes which some conspiracy guys say are part of weather control weapons lol.

The network of course also consists of many many types of Y-8 and Y-9 based special mission aircraft with many types of sensors, communication tech, and EW. These are the active and passive sensor networks with Type 054A as main anti submarine surface vessel and mines for the rest. Type 055 and 052 also capable of some anti submarine but main focus is air defence.

Ultimate last defence would be nuclear. If nothing works, can only use nuclear. If US retaliate with full or tactical nuclear attack on China mainland, China retaliates and we need to make another thousand warheads to catch up to them but what we have now is enough to cover most of USA and some of Europe two or three times. If China is nuked with thousands of nukes, all of Asia basically dies including south Asia. I don't think the Europeans and American politicians and owners care about Asian lives. Anyway it is only USA in aggressive posture and may start any war not China. We need to have answers to each of their ways of threatening war. HGV is just one small part and will not work perfectly forever. Soon they will be able to intercept them. I mean even we can already intercept turning HGV with first test being successful earlier this year or last year.

 

[MH.Yang]

1 096 per year is unbelievably fast. I think it will be something like 1 every 2 to 3 years.

Remember they will also be building Type 095 as well at the same speed.

Sorry, my news source is also China forum, so I can't guarantee its authenticity.
You're right. One ship a year is too fast. We may not be able to build 096 as fast as we build 055

US navy definitely not stagnant. It is simply not like cold war times of buildup. China is trying to modernize and catch up in numbers but has advantage of being requiring defence position in smaller area. US wants things everywhere.

If they start a war, they will use most of their entire force. In that case I don't know how China can possibly defend unless we use nuclear weapons. They have 70 large destroyer and cruiser with 10 carrier and 50 or more very modern submarines.

Even at our new pace of development, we will require 10 years just to catch USA today. They are also moving ahead with new designs and weapons too. Which is why it is so important we developed and now fielded hypersonic weapons and maneuverable ballistic warheads to target their bases and carriers.

US shipyard numbers I think are larger than Chinese for military ships. We have more commercial shipyards since we take most of the world's commercial ship orders along with south korea. For military ships, we only have three major ones. The American have about 10.

I don't agree with you. I don't think the USA can beat China in the warship building competition.

1, The cost of shipbuilding in China is cheaper. for example, 055 costs $0.9B and Burke3 costs $1.85B.

2, China's warships are 100% domestic, everything from radar to soldiers' underwear is made in China.
The CCP government does not need to use foreign exchange. Every penny spent by the government will enter the Chinese market and stimulate China's economic development.
The USA is not the same. We all understand the current situation in the USA.
If the CCP government doubles the number of warships. For example, 8 heavy aircraft carriers, 8*075, 8*076, 24*055(055A), 72*052C/D/E, 80*054A/B, and 100*056. China is fully capable of doing so, but how does the USA respond? Give up the ocean? Or double the general's fee?



I think the CCP government should to build a large number of warships now (now China's manpower is not too expensive, but it will be not in the future) and upgrade the whole level of heavy industry through a large number of orders.
We will get a strong blue water navy. It can also force the USA to continue to increase military spending, make their Military industrial complex more stronger, make their debt more serious, inflation more serious and the economy worse.
The USA cannot be destroyed by external forces, but internal forces can. I think Military industrial complex will kill the USA sooner or later, We should make it more greedy.

 

[FuturePAF]

Any 'credible' rumours about these specs? Chinese tech seems good enough from US perspective, but it's their manufacturing capability which makes them more deadly. US naval fleet is stagnant, whereas Chinese are increasing their naval power at breathtaking pace. I can only assume if they need, they can increase it further.

It will Probably take China the next 20-30 years to catch up with the combined naval power of all the adversaries in the first island chain. The US navy will probably have 60-70% of its fleet in the pacific for the foreseeable future, plus the combined Japanese, South Korean and ASEAN nations.

 

[northeast]

It will Probably take China the next 20-30 years to catch up with the combined naval power of all the adversaries in the first island chain. The US navy will probably have 60-70% of its fleet in the pacific for the foreseeable future, plus the combined Japanese, South Korean and ASEAN nations.

We do not need to catch up with USA naval force within the first island chain. We have enough land based aircrafts and missles for their naval forces in near sea. Carrier groups are for global power projection，such as the third island chain and indian ocean. 096 is aimed for US and indian homeland,not within the first island chain.

 

[FuturePAF]

We do not need to catch up with USA naval force within the first island chain. We have enough land based aircrafts and missles for their naval forces in near sea. Carrier groups are for global power projection，such as the third island chain and indian ocean. 096 is aimed for US and indian homeland,not within the first island chain.

So Diesel-Electric submarines will remain the primary submarines within the first island chain?

 

[ziaulislam]

096 carries 16 JL3, each JL3 has 6 sub warheads, and 096 can attack 96 targets at a time.

China plans to service one 096 every year, build a total of 12, and carry 1152 warheads. The USA wants China to participate in nuclear arms control negotiations. So we will soon build the same number of nuclear bombs as the USA, and then negotiate.

Three important technologies of nuclear submarine: pressure hull, silent propulsion and reactor

1, China has the world's largest forging press and plate bending machine.
2, China has shaftless pump jet electromagnetic propulsion technology (Our technology is ahead of the USA).
3, We have nuclear submarine reactor technology.

We are the world's leading level in the 3 technologies. Of course, we can make high-tech nuclear submarines like the Ohio class.
096 will surprise the world, just like 055.

Its pretty well known that decades of neglect means china is now ahead of USA in civilian nuclear technology

Military who knows?

 

[MH.Yang]

Its pretty well known that decades of neglect means china is now ahead of USA in civilian nuclear technology

Military who knows?

China's military nuclear reactor technology lags behind USA.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

So Diesel-Electric submarines will remain the primary submarines within the first island chain?

I expect so. They're very well suited for that environment, especially if they're upgraded with lithium ion batteries.

 

[MH.Yang]

So Diesel-Electric submarines will remain the primary submarines within the first island chain?

The advantages of nuclear submarines are max-underwater-speed and better electronic equipment. There is no obvious difference in noise and running time between AIP submarines and nuclear submarines.

 

[Grandy]

Type 096 Propulsion System.

The submarine is one of the important equipment of the modern navy. Because the seawater has a blocking effect on electromagnetic waves, general radar detection cannot be effective. At present, most countries in the world use sonar to detect submarines, which means that submarines have higher and higher requirements for silence.

However, traditional naval ships use propeller propulsion. Although this method of propulsion is more efficient, when advances, a large number of bubbles will be generated between the propeller and the sea, causing a cavitation effect. The ship’s propellers have a corrosive effect and also produce loud noise; and the mechanical structure of the propeller propulsion system is complicated, and the friction between the bearing and the hull will also produce loud noise, which seriously affects the submarine The silent performance makes it easier to be detected by the enemy's sonar.

So, in order to improve the quiet performance of submarines, pump jet propulsion was developed. The earliest pump-jet propulsion system was developed by the UK in the 1980s and was installed on its own nuclear submarine for testing. The results showed that it can effectively reduce the submarine's noise, which has also been valued by countries all over the world.
Traditional propeller propulsion is well understood by everyone, and pump jet propulsion is similar to putting a shell on the tip of the propeller. The advantage of this is that it can effectively reduce the cavitation effect and reduce the noise level of the submarine. Therefore, the pump jet propulsion system has also been developed as an advanced submarine technology by various countries.

Nevertheless, pump-jet propulsion still requires propeller drive, and the noise in bearings and mechanical structure is still very loud. Is there a solution?
Of course, the team led by Academician Ma Weiming, an expert on military equipment in my country, developed the world's first shaftless pump-jet propulsion system. It replaces the traditional bearing propeller with a ring and drives it by a motor. The advantage of this is that it can effectively reduce the proportion of the mechanical structure in the propulsion system.And it got rid of the structure of the transmission shaft that both traditional propellers and early pump-jet propulsion had. Shaftless pump-jet propulsion also uses electric energy as a power source, which indirectly reduces the internal mechanical structure of the submarine and greatly reduces The noise level of the submarine while it is sailing.

The shaftless pump-jet propulsion system is relatively the most advanced in the world. Whether it is a nuclear submarine or a conventional power submarine, as long as the shaftless pump-jet propulsion is used, it can truly become silent." "Oceanic Black Hole" is of great significance to my country from the perspective of equipment development and from a strategic perspective.
And my country’s academician Ma Weiming’s team is more than just this scientific research achievement. Electromagnetic guns and electromagnetic catapults are also made by the academician Ma Weiming’s team. They are truly national treasure-level scientists. Most of these equipment have come out of the laboratory, entered the stage of actual use, and achieved a leading position in the world. This has also changed the situation in which our country’s weapons and equipment development could only “chase” behind others. Presumably, the United States is also quite shocked in its heart.
(Wolf Smoke)

 

[FuturePAF]

Type 095 and Type 096 hull components seem to be out in the open.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594030275729694727

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594030283279503361

Btw, according to the USN, the JL-3 is already on the Type 094. So by the time the Type 096 is operational, all the bugs will probably have been worked out in the JL-3. Even if the only operate in the Bohai Sea, employing the Bastion strategy, with a 12,000 km range, will be able to cover the entire CONUS. A lot more will have to be spent on ABM systems in Greely and Vandenburg.