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And yet chinese accounts doing the same thing are still active. What has gotten into this forum?

I have been to different countries as well and I am not biased enough to say that Indonesia has a good infrastructure that could impress anyone the way people are impressed of lets say European infrastrcuture. But again that is the whole point of having massive infra projects, which is to...

Yes, and as I have stated in my post, that is why the government is seeking investment from non governmental bodies. Indonesia does not care about the cost, because the potential development opportunities that it may bring outweigh the cost. To name some of them would be the development of...

Yes but not the way Banten was hit by the Karakatoa tsunami. Aside from Anak Karakatau, there is no real natural threat to Jakarta right now. The new capital will of course have defense structures as you described, but the construction of critical facilities will likely be funded by the...

And they dont need to move to the new capital. Indonesian government in its planning of the new capital excluded shops factories etc. because the new capital was never meant to be another Jakarta.

Sinking ship? Yes, prone to Tsunami not really. At least no historical data shows Jakarta was hit by Tsunami since the day it was founded. The whole idea is not to replace Jakarta. Jakarta will remain as economic centre for Indonesia. The new capital will focus on housing Government...

By your definition, every construction project is a scam then. But isnt it the whole point of construction projects? Keynesian model rely heavily on government spending to incite economic activities and one of the easiest way to jumpstart this is through construction. But construction, as with...

for not looking investment from specific countries? Cmon you can do better than that. Anyway, no final decision yet regarding partners. The article mentioned several names yes, but they are there to assist Indonesia as individuals, not the organizations they are attached to. If China can offer...

Damn, hats off to the wildlife videographer, must be hard to get a good picture of these birds.

Not engaging them, that makes the discussion sound intellectual. I am just having a coffee break discussion with them haha

Sure, that is my point.

Sure, Rwanda for example, but they thrived by having clear prioritization in their economic development.

Africa is too volatile, no sane countries dare to invest big there. The last time people invested in 80s to combat Soviet investment, in ended up in a series of civil war because one tribe benefited while the others didnt. African countries need to find a common ground first to work together...

I guess Africa need to build school before they build projects like this. But then again, as you described, there are other ways to pay the debt back.

Yeah if you see my topics I started in 2012 2013, the discussions there were cool although the topics were sensitive. Sure once in a month you got idiots trying to incite flame war, but nobody paid attention to it. But now? I guess the website only care about traffic, not so much about content...

This forum turned from a place for neutral discussions to a junkyard. Better just post a topic and let the kids fight lol.

Nice trigger discipline tho... better than many ex military after some years in political parties :disagree:

Agree, for the most part, globally integrated economy is good if the global economic conditions are also good. I think integrating your economy to global supply chain only acceptable for countries that do not have the option to rely on its home market to grow its economies.. e.g countries with...

There were some discussions here a while ago about Indonesia's economic choice to focus more on developing home market rather than depending on export in order to grow its economy. Indonesia learnt from Asian Financial crisis of 1998 that utilizing its 250+ million strong market is a 'safer'...

This craziness is in Aceh province only.