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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Many Muslims do not even know that at the time of attacks,,, those ahmedies were offering "Nimaz-e-Jumma" in their Mosques.
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Actually almost all Muslims don't know exactly why they hate Ahmedies. They falsfully think such things as if there is jannat and dozakh in Rabwah, as if Ahmedies are the agents of Israel,, as if they are blasphemous and can be behind those caricatures,, as if ... as if ,,, as ifff...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Kugga,, Allama Iqbal sahib had found good qualities of Iblees. And anyone who dares ... can find negative qualities in any personality ... including most sacred personalities of history of religion. For me ... those simple ahmedies ... who believe that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) had promised them...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    One ... whose peshwa is Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) ... shall always insist that he is a Muslim ... whether or not you or parliament or Court declares him otherwise.
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Wo Peshwa hamara Jis se hai Noor Sara Naam Os ka Hai Muhammad, dilber mera yahi hai Os Noor pe Fida hoon ... Os ka he main Hua Hoon Wo hai ... main cheez kya hoon, bas faisla yahi hai. (Mirza Ghulam Ahmed) So dear ... "clear" thing ... (clearly mentioned) is that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Discussing Qadiyani religion is not relevant. Anyone ... how much wrong he may appear on the basis of his words or acts. Only and only God should know his real faith. Because "Only God knows what's there in hearts and minds". If Parliament also knows these sort of facts then why don't you...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Population of Pakistan answerable to God or Not...??? In the light of Objectives Resolution...???
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    So .... lets watch for centuries... may be Ahmedies get more population than rest of Muslims. Then they will get the authority to define "Muslim". Here population gets every sort of authority. But then why to continue with Objectives Resolution...??? why don't you propose to drop it...???
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    This constitution is unconstitutional ... as per Objectives Resolution. Issue of someone Muslim or not ... final decision rests with God. As per Objectives Resolution ... Parliament could not interfere in the authority of God. Parliament could not rule out this matter!
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    To give reply to this,,, I would just combine few of my previous posts in a single post: My those previous posts were actually the reply to following: Above position is similar to yours,,, and my replies were following: Who is the Principal of that university then...??? Ulema of...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    I repeat my words in following: These are the reasons that now ulema are even ready to grant permission to ahmedies that they may make even a whole new religion. Whole new religion is acceptable to ulema... but their recognition as "Muslim" is not acceptable to them ... due to above mentioned...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Yes ... yes he did. May be ... just like British made Muslim League to divide and rule. But ... also keep in mind that "Divide and Rule" is only a blame on British. Practically what they did in 1947 was "Divide and Quit". If they love Khilafat ... Really...??? then there is...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Well ... but it is more a "political" issue. Whose rulings/fatwas shall prevail...??? ... is also a form of politics. Suppose any day Muslims accept ahmedies as also Muslims then...??? It will mean that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed will not be considered as any lier. If he is not considered a lier, then...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Those are clear outside attackers. We need not to protest or condemn outsiders. Protests ya condemnations apnon se kiye jate hain. Outsiders apni technology ka advantage lete hain aur hum be-bus hain ... iss ka reply condemnation ya protest nahi hota. Iss ka reply technology ko attain kerne...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Ice Man,,, you have presented a Hadith and a prevailing practiced. Whereas I referred you to a Quranic verse. When Quran and Hadith are in conflict then rule of Quran prevails. Secondly ... Ahmedies do follow same rules of Islam. Only difference is the difference of interpretations. So in that...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Ice Man, I read somewhere in ahmedy book about murtad. They quoted a quranic verse. Wording of that verse was like. "Jo log eman laye aur phir ulte phir gaye .. phir eman laye aur phir ulte phir gaye ." I think eman lane aur ulte phirne ka three times mention tha. Means two time murtad can...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    No .... I did not missed/ ignored your point. Actually whoever will be the Principal ... his interpretation of "Khatam" or "Murtad" will be applicable. And ... ahmedies do not give punishment to "murtads"
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    Who is the Principal of that university then...??? Ulema of mainstream Muslim? or "Khalifa-e-Waqt" of "Ahmediyah Islam"...??? Now I share the REAL thing... of why actually ulema are so concerned to not accept ahmedies as Muslim is due to the fact that then seat of Principal will have to be...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    There is another historic trace of word Allah. There was an ancient god named "El". Ancient city "Babul" was actually bab-e-El i.e. "door of el". Even in Engeal ... Hazrat Esa calls this god "Eli ... eli ... lemasabqtani". There was another goddess named :Lillat Devi". These "words" El...
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    Ahmadis in Pakistan

    So Ahmedies should call themselves Ahmedies and they should believe their relation with Islam is exactly alike what Islam's relation is to Chistianity or Jew. For Ahmedies, Muslims should be like what Christians are for Muslims. For your information ... as an independent observer ... I am...
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