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This is what an 'Aviation City' really looks like. Not what we have got going at our end.

Pakistan has seen this time and again over the years, while the Chinese are getting the Indian experience for the first time. You guys will get used to it. For a typical, nationalist and religious nut job (aka Bhakt) there exists an alternate universe where India has not lost any battles or...

Even now P8I is extensively used as a SIGINT asset against Pakistan.

J10C is not J10A. J10C with WS10 is not J10C with AL-31F.

I have to say that when judging PLAAF and PLAN system qualities, we need to keep in mind that their primary enemy lies in SCS. Their entire system capability is being built to take on an active deterrence role against some of the top-tier naval and aerial powers in the SCS. If we still think...

Can you run this scenario, please? PAF acquires S-400 location via 24/7/365 surveillance and sigint (WL2s). There’s no version of this where S400 batteries would remain unknown to PAF. They’re target number one, since the day they’re accepted into ORBAT. They’d be prime target for PAF’s sigint...

Absolutely on point. But I'd say that a lot of work has gone into PAF fixing a lot that went wrong at our end too, pre and post SR. This was not about just Feb 27th, but incl what transpired in the months after it too.

After J10C, I'd be most interested in the next generation stand off EW aircraft that PAF would opt to buy. Should keep ears to the ground for that. Rest assured, EW will be play a pivotal role in any next short, fast back and forth b/w IAF and PAF.

The image is pretty much not the layout JF will ever fly with. I don't get this new (fairly weird) concept of showcasing all weapons assigned to a unit on the flying patch.

And I am sure you are right that this one type of system will not be a decisive factor on the battlefield. This was just a question regarding how something that's now pretty common to see on the battlefield, even with lesser armed forces, is still missing in Pak's side.

My background is in avionics and systems development.

It’s a VVIP bird, requirements ask for operational data and communication sat comm links. That cannot possibly be for mil use.

The issue with systems like Sula89 and ones now being looked at by India is exactly this, it doesn’t need to be deployed by the Air Force. But shoot and scoot 4x4 jeeps. A single jeep in case of the Chinese can launch 8-12 such birds (one scout, rest loitering munition) and get out of the area...

I do hope they’re taking this seriously because the other side is now reacting to the Chinese moves in Galwan and we’d sooner than later see them induct cheap, locally made loitering munition.

@PanzerKiel I have a question for you, I am not sure if this is the right thread but but please do bear with me. Galwan proved the usefulness of anti personnel and armor suicide drone systems, considering how Chinese utilized Sula 89 in Depsang to counter and interdict larger Indian infantry...

No idea.

Would not be too sure of that, not right now anyway.

Isn't it one of the premier jammers out there?

This is not a hint, please. I'm actually very much looking for more info on this as the rest of you. =)

Time to say... Havasoj.. =p *cough*