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The important part to not e is not the esteem that these scholars had for each other, but rather the net effect of these schools - now, you make an excellent point about offering a diversity of views - So there are 4 recognized schools why not 5? What can you offer us to better understand this?

Yes, but will the message be heard? Indian friends are convinced Pakistan is dead and it's only the certificate that they are waiting on - For Mr. Kiyani it's not words, but deeds that count, so long as he tolerates the dismantling of Pakistan and tell the citizenry to call the police and that...

Yes I think I understand what you are pointing to - like I said there's nothing, quite literally, to go on

You ask such a question of gamblers? - Decisive is not in the vocabulary of gamblers, they know they will be need to keep order afterwards, there is no decisive for them, sadly.

Many signals have been sent, even a Western PM has offered "advise" -- but NS will not be moved, he sends signals of his own: Article 6: handle with care By Nasim Zehra Published: June 30, 2013 The writer is a senior anchor at Capital TV and a fellow at Harvard University Asia Centre. She...

NCWF is a mystery - at least to me - All I know of it is that is NCWF - the details I am with Mr.Karnad on that, but even the outlines are so fuzzy and vague that it's difficult if not impossible to comment on it.

18 against MKI, M2k, Rafale? Lol I guess for PAF discretion is the better part of valor

All I asked you to do is explain what you find objectionable about "arabized" - I think it's a reasonable question and you should be able to answer it because you take exception to it

yaara if you are so sure that you are representative of Pakistan, how do you explain the video? And I'm confused about your taking exception to "arabized", what about "arabized is negative to you?? Why??

That's already happening - our arabized crew has such a strong sense of certitude that they refuse to consider the idea that there can be multiple ways, multiple paths -- they insist, they are angry, their way or no way - unfortunately for them, they misjudge the time and the environment. See...

I think you have that wrong - Dancing naked or otherwise with a bomb America in the background is simply an artistic choice, not an invitation to drones. I know where your head and heart is when you are calm - this is just a discussion, so consider: Why does it increasingly take coercion for a...

See the point about the necessity of coercion?

So you do wish to restrain their banner? Where as you would be open to them restraining you? No one way streets

That is certainly true and shameful and tragic -- on the other hand it makes our case that increasingly because of such things, islam has ceased to have "meaning" in peoples lives, now it is not a vehicle to bring one to Faith in God, to enable hope, it is merely a tool of coercion, of social...

I don't see how we as responsible persons can think in any other terms than of them being able to employ these assets successfully, we don't a track record that inspires confidence

Precisely -- see our arabized crew exhibit attitudes that enable such murders -- The girl dancing is not an artist, heck no she's a prostitute, Dance, joy, fun, all these are, especially if women should engage in them, cause for murder -- see, it's inappropriate and we can't have different...

So your point here is that a larger fighter, a true multi-role is what we should go for? After all the comparison between a bomber and a fighter/bomber (multi-role) and a comparison between a light fighter (point defense) and a fighter/bomber (multi-role) should also hold. I also take your...

Yes, increasingly only coersion works - outward appearances must be kept, the same with the beard - We are really are very muslim, possibly that's the reason we are afflicted with terrorism So the prophet was able to read?? And Celebrate now means pray?? I very much take your point that you...

The Shrines of Saints and Pirs, of teachers/scholars who by virtue of their scholarship and/or deeds are held by people in high esteem -- people visit their shrines and offer prayers and seek their intercession in the problems of their lives - many times at these shrines, food is offered and...

I think you've nailed the major issue of doctrine between the protagonists. In Pakistan and among Pakistanis, the idea of change is highly suspect - we really really hate it. We are locked into the hold the adversary at bay for 2 weeks and pray for the US to intervene, now things have changed...