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  1. PAFAce

    Better than The Bomb : Sino-Pak War Treaty ?

    Let's make this clear, Pakistan is entirely self-reliant when it comes to countering Indian designs, either in all out war or otherwise. Pakistani military Think Tanks are prepared for the worst case scenario (Pakistan against the World situation) because that's what they have to be. However, it...
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    PAK-FA takes to the sky!

    I don't understand all the animosity here. Any true competitor should always admire and acknowledge the opponents' victories. Russia (and by extension, India) are so far winning this round with the Flanker and MiG-29 series. Pakistan and China are catching up with the J-10B and the JF-17 series...
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    PAK-FA takes to the sky!

    Congratulations Russia and Sukhoi! Massive achievement. There is certainly egg on my face, I had presumed this would be a tech demonstrator. It seems like a first ptototype (the Indian members were right), In my defence, however, what I had assumed was that the PAK-FA FGFA would be a new...
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    Bangladesh takes the Plate championship

    Congratulations to all the Bangladeshi members. Your Cricket future looks as bright as ever. Bangladesh trounced Ireland by 195 runs in Napier to win the Plate Championship and secure the ninth place in the competition. The victory centred on a collective batting effort which helped...
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    Should Line Of Control Be Converted Into A Permanent Border Between India & Pakistan?

    I'm no do-gooder. I'm as crooked as they come. But that doesn't change anything about Kashmir. Azad Jammu and Kashmir has seen minimal immigration since it became part of Pakistan. How, do you suggest, that we get the people who moved there in 1950 out. How can you say that they are not "Azad...
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    if ?

    Sorry, but no. Security to the President of Pakistan, Prime Minister of Pakistan, senior foreign diplomats, and other Very Important Persons is provided by the Special Service Group of the Pakistan Army. So no, the Xe is not here for the private protection of the Pres or the PM. Secondly, all I...
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    US Drone crashes in Pakistan- Jan 24 !!!

    This news just completely died. Does anybody know what became of the downed drone? According to an ex NATO official, American Special Operations teams have carried out covert operations inside Pakistani territory before without prior or subsequent information. That last such incident, according...
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    Should Line Of Control Be Converted Into A Permanent Border Between India & Pakistan?

    Only peaceful resolution, and therefore the only solution, is self-determination; that too under international eyes. This is something that was promised, and should have happened, back in 1948. It didn't happen then, but better late than never. Let all the people who currently reside in AJK and...
  9. PAFAce

    Long Range SAM System For PAF To Counter Indian MRCA+PAK-FA

    You can't ocunter a measure that has yet to materialize. MMRCA is in the future, the PAK-FA is in the future still, if at all. How can we ever suggest something intelligent to counter those, we do not have data! Therefore, that turns this into a Long Range SAM thread, of which there exist 100...
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    Second US drone shot down

    No. They downloaded a pirated copy of an commercial program that taps into video feeds. Those drones were not using video encryptions. It was a shot in the dark, and the Iraqi militia got lucky. Technically, you're right, that's still a 'hack'; but not one that required much knowleldge of...
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    Hakim Ullah Mesud to be made to Surrender !

    By doing so we will be harming our own people and decrease the support for the Army/government amongst the tribal people of FATA. These tribes extend well into Afghanistan, there are literally families spreadout throughout the region. All it will take is for an innocent woman or child to be...
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    Pakistani army: No new offensive for 6-12 months

    The United States certainly did come in to invade. How else would they expect to topple the Afghan government, set up a more favorable one and give it enough resources to sustain itself against the eventual resurgence? You can't achieve that through a short war! What you meant to say was that...
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    if ?

    Blackwater may well be inside Pakistan, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that. The question we should ask ourselves is, do we know what Blackwater/Xe Corp, Dyncorp and whotever else are doing in Pakistan? Do we know why they are here and in what capacity? In fact, do we know absolutely...
  14. PAFAce

    Geo Tv Pakistan...

    One read-through this thread, and we know why we are in trouble today. What a disgrace. Geo is a News channel, it's not supposed to sugar-coat everything. Stop beign so damned paranoid.
  15. PAFAce

    History of the Pakistan Army

    Welcome Mr. Cloughley. I am very excited that you have chosen to join this forum, and I really appreciate your work regarding the Pakistan Army, particularly in recent times. We need people like you to keep the balance as the rhetoric from some of our "allies" has been less than encouraging...
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    Pakistan's 'secret' war in Baluchistan

    AND, most important of all, we need to make sure that these funds are actually used for the projects they are designated for, rather than end up in the personal bank accounts of certain individuals currently either inside the country or in exile. AND we must make ensure that local Balochis...
  17. PAFAce

    Operation Rah-e-Nijat (South Waziristan)

    That's enough regarding Mr. Sangeen. Let's move on.
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    Ain't nobody rock a party like Pakistan can

    Very funny. Must read. --------------- Ain't nobody rock a party like Pakistan can Spurned by the big, bad IPL? No need to hang up your dancing shoes just yet Imran Yusuf January 25, 2010 The IPL is a party and Pakistan aren't invited. This news has been met both sides of the border with...
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    Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

    There is a report presented to the US House Committee on Foreign Affairs by Vice Admiral Jeffrey Wieringa of the US Navy that is a must read for anyone who wants to know more about the F-16 MLU and Block 52s offered to Pakistan. It has been posted on this thread many times, but your best bet is...
  20. PAFAce

    Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

    AN/APG-80 is an AESA RADAR, so what do you mean? The United Arab Emirates funded the development of the APG-80 for their Block 60s. F-16 Block 50/52 and MLU come with AN/APG-68, a Mechanically Steered Array RADAR, which is not as capable as the APG-80. However, older Block F-16s can be...
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