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Yes I'm a guy :rofl:

I gave my point of view, you need to learn to agree to disagree. Noone is walking away, I feel like the conversation has ended. You want clubs, bars, alcohol and open prostitution in society and I don't. What is there left to talk about.

No need to feel insecure, noone is trying to win an argument against you mate, have a good day. I never said I don't like England, I said I dislike certain aspects of society.

Bhai, mainay aap ki saath kya bura kiya hain :rofl:

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Yes, I am afraid but of my Creator. The Prophet PBUH said that don't even go close to things that lead to fornication/Zina (paraphrased). Zina comes in many forms, Zina of the eyes, Zina of hands etc. but here you want to promote all out lawlessness, let's get the next generation of this Ummah...

Common on bro, you got to be serious. Education is a requirement but open access to immorality isn't. Whoever wants to visit places like hera mandi will visit regardless, opening up such places at a mass scale isn't the solution. How would that control STDs?? A good example is gun crime in...

Clearly unemployed and have ample time to troll :crazy:

How is the reference to science related to our discussion??

Born in Yorkshire, grew up.in a white area and studying a PhD in molecular medicine.

It's sister and I grew up in the West too lol. Making something available to the masses is a source of destruction. A druggie never thought he would be laying half dead on the street and begging for money for his next drag. It was there, available and ruined lives.

Pakistan isn't perfect and neither are it's people but don't forget the core principles and foundations of which our country was made. I am not going to continue this discussion because it's pointless explaining myself but we all will be meeting our Creator and that should be enough to send...

Sure, let's corrupt the minds of our future generation. There is no such things as peer pressure...open the doors to drugs, alcohol abuse, rape and indecency in a mass scale. Yes, everyone will carry their own sins on the day of judgement but it's sad to hear the state of our citizens.

Mate, I live in the UK and I know exactly what kind of filth exists here. There is a bar or pub around every corner.

Yes live life as you please and move to the west. Seen plenty of people like yourself, come on a student visa and you know that you will find them sitting in a bar or club. Same men want an untouched wife who has haya and is modest. Load of baloney!

Yes, all already exists but not in the mass scale. We don't have ladies on every street on a Friday night falling over because they are drunk out of their heads. I rather have no money than have haram money.

What are you talking about. You just want open access to alcohol, drugs and fornication.

Erm, no.

Pakistani but I was generally speaking about if it was me in a foreign country on holiday. I would skip it, wouldn't you?

Which would put off a lot of people including me. If I am visiting a country, why would I apply and wait for a whole week for a permit during a 2 week holiday. And who wants to fill in paper work anyway.