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I wanted to open up a thread where we could present historical evidence for the arguments related to what sort of Pakistan the founding fathers (primarily Jinnah and Iqbal for now) wanted. Clearly, we do have disagreements on this topic. So I wanted to create a thread where we could discuss this...

PS, army bro, Sorry above post was a misclick. What I meant to say was army zindabad. Pakistan zindabad. IK and PTI are terrorists. Sorry army for hurting your status or looking your way.

I criticized PTI IK when they were in power. Now, I know that I was a duffer to do so. Because on the surface I could not see what constraints were put on IK. Now I realize that given the constraints, given the limitations, he was found very well and going in right direction. That he’s not a...

IK/ PTI is bearing the full brunt of naked state sponsored suppression. The fact that the man hasn’t fled the country yet speaks volume. If you thought that having azadi meant that you don’t lobby for your agenda in foreign capitals, especially when said agenda aligns with national interest...

Apart from Fazlur Rehman, yes. Also, frankly, as you know, JUI, Fazlus dad was opposed to Pakistan. And also, the real power sits behind these individuals. This is the B-team. I strongly disagree with your assessment about lack of soil attachment. The problem is that there is nothing besides...

We have no meritocracy. Get rid of quotas. Make all jobs based on quantitative, person blind, test. The problem will solve itself.

My cousin was telling me a number of years ago (during PMLN rule) how I was wrong to leave the country and settle abroad. This that, patriotic fervor, etc. I remember telling him straight that I am no sacrificial lamb for anyone. Pakistan is not a place to live for decent people. Then I had...

Some of the rumors or so-called skeletons in the closet are frankly absurd. I remember the audio releases that were totally doctored with cheap and stupid technology. I work in AI- I could write something within a day that would produce much more believable shit but the generals leaking these...

Dear all, Please forgive me if what I say next offends you. I don’t mean to race bait here. One silver lining in all of this is the following. Prior to this year, the army had done all of these ziyadatis on everyone else:- in the following order- Bengalis, then Balochis, then Karachites, then...

Dude at this point I am pretty sure that there is something wrong with the entire army’s system of promotions and hiring. It seems that only the biggest psychopaths and Machiavellians are getting promoted. Now, don’t get me wrong. There is a place for having highly intelligent Machiavellian...

Surely, a part of it was. Otherwise, the soldiers ought to have declined to follow the orders from the top that they knew to be wrong. The soldiers or generals in the army cannot use chain of command or obedience to ruler as an excuse for the evil that they did. Likewise, the same applies to...

Serious question- If chain of command is so important and sacred, why do we blame the army of Yazid for massacring Hussain? They were just following chain of command too, no?

The f***ed up thing for me is to look at what I was posting a year ago. Arguing that we can’t be anti army, we need the army, it’s the only institution that works and needs deep reforms. At this point, I have to sadly concede that I was wrong and that the army is the root of all problems in...

For me the army lost its credibility and status when they brutally assassinated Arshad Sharif. IK nor PTI had to tell me the obvious. All the army folk who are in denial need to wake up and smell the coffee. It is because of the army we have Shahbaz Chor Sharif and Asif Zardari in power right...

Why the f?(& do Indians come to this forum? If you need to take a dump, go do it on your own Indian forums

Wait can you guys speak more on this- what’s going on inside the GHQ now?

Dude any updates on IK? Or his whereabouts and his health?

It seems like we are unclear about definitions of what a Muslim state is and what an Islamic state is. I offer 4 categories below. Please pick one closest to what you believe and if you have another category in mind, post in the thread the nuances there of and feel free to write a sliding...

Okay good, so you concede that Usmani never called Shias as kafirs. Or Jinnah a kafir either. He may have said something limited, which everyone to the best of my knowledge does, that if you think the Quran is changed, you become kafir. The earlier sources you quote have that insinuation...

Bro, I’ve already explained this before. The position will be as following that is in the fatwa I posted from the other Usmani. Believing that the Quran was changed in going to kufr. I am pretty sure I will find Shia scholars who say this too btw. But we do not declare Shias as kafir because...