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@Signalian how much more proof do you need to see the army has lost every bit of respect. the longer it continues to meddle in politics, economy, agriculture without any mandate, the longer it will only dig itself into a grave. we dont want the army to do anything more than defense. can they...

Some more gems: https://propakistani.pk/2023/02/02/hidden-agenda-govt-showers-fbr-employees-with-money-and-benefits/

oh, the generals definitely know what they are doing. however, there is one stupidity or lack of awareness that they have - and that they think "no one can stop them - least of all, the citizens of pakistan". the time to hold them accountable is very near.

he has been trying really hard trying to showcase the army as our saviours. here are some gems from him since the past few days: all hail the army accoding to him! - we should all be really grateful to allah that we have the military bestowed upon pakistan. despite all of us civilians being...

As per @Signalian we civilians can do nothing about it but rant. We are mere spectators. Who are we in the grand scheme of things? We are not some big shot army generals to have the brains to deal with all these things We better work to pay these generals so they can do us a favor. Because you...

I hope you can see the writing on the wall. These shenanigans are only worsening the army's standing. And you can do nothing about it.

It was started under liaqat ali and then after 1971, it was restarted under Bhutto. It's an interior ministry undertaking. Everything in Pakistan is not started as a military project. If you want to win the match, you better have your own umpires, right?

what does that have to do with NADRA? its a civilian authority with requirements to serve civilians - not an army function. also, how many pensions should an army general get? why cant they be happy with one salary? is it necessary to take over someone else's job as well? which other country's...

so the army will "play a role in govt" == take all the decisions that so far only fattened the coffers of the army and impoverished pakistani citizens and the pakistani citizens have no say in it, we are just spectators. @Mirzali Khan first they said they are "doing us a favor" then said this...

if you dont know how to swim, no amount of prayers will save you when drowning. allah gives you all the means for you to learn skills and develop - not blind faith by doing ayyashi when you were supposed to work hard and improve skills.

we cant trust the civilians with the NADRA right @Signalian ?

a retired general at the helm. why am I not surprised? he would go to all the intl games - free of cost, with 5-7 star accomodation. having probably never played hockey or touched a hockey stick in his life.

@PradoTLC - i understand you dont want to talk about the morality. just putting it out there that when we point to the army, it includes those soldiers who followed orders that are detrimental to Paksitan. every soldier takes oath to first uphold pakistan's security. this takes precedence than...

this is a myth. nukes or no nukes, no one will keep giving money. the amount of money and the frequency of begging has only increased and there is no sign of Pakistan fixing its own country.

it was a well fought match (mens squash). the womens - i dont want to say much - but did you see our players? were they determined to be fit? is there no fitness instructor to atleast look at them and go "you certainly arent fit for a squash team" ?

@PradoTLC lets discuss the morality of it suppose the command asks the soldiers to do somethig harmful to pakistan, and the soldier does it - because you know, thats the strength of the army. will that help them or pakistan? when a coup is ordered and the soldiers go about the orders - they...

I am asking all of you to only contribute specific examples of how elites have become a burden on pakistan.this thread should be search-able, verifiable data so we can have a database to get back to. I will keep adding more and if I find these are unverified or false information - I will update...

oh bhai.. have you read the rest of the thread? this entire survey is a propaganda and a lie. are you being intentionally blind or are you also part of the same group as Signalian ? if you were sarcastic, please pardon my ignorance - just too pissed off at how blatantly we are all being lied to...

its NOT. dont include me in your "We know that". army is the most unpopular institution right now.. closely followed by judiciary and the political parties. please speak for yourself. dont need to speak for the rest of us.