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Black Panthers are based at Kamra aren't they? Is it usual for Sq leader from so far north going on a sea mission? Or maybe part of the exercises?

As now well documented, after the Mumbai terror attack, India through it's friends in the U.S. asked for 'permission' to bomb a few empty buildings in Pakistan to show it's people how mighty it was.Aparantly Zardari was dumb enough to think about it but Kiyani warned him that they'd both get...

You realy do talk a load of crap don't you? Running an airforce has got what to do with medicine for a dying baby? 'You Pakistanis' - so what are you if you're not Pakistani? Let me guess - American? You might want to check with 'your' next President before you confirm that one. Refering to...

Every sane country in the world will block / cancel a defence deal where big kickbacks are involved. Only in Pakistan will those who block such a corrupt deal be called the 'real enemy' of Pakistan by those who claim to be patriots. The 'younger generation' are hopefully not so stupid to follow...

Sorry but all of this is absolute and utter rubish. JF-17 was never pursued instead of Rafale and the banks were never ever in the history of Pakistan ' bursting with money'. Please do not try to pass off things you make up as fact. Only an idiot will believe nonesense like this.

Jf-17 'BLK III more or less can say goodbye to J-10B' -- realy? So you know what JF-17 BLK III is going to include and an official source to back that up? You want me to tell you what a BLK III JF-17 will cost when nobody even knows what a JF-17 BLK III will include --- other than idle...

I couldn't possibly take stupidity as my Hallmark as it is already your undisputed Hallmark and you prove that very well with every post. You and Luftwaffe were critical of PAF for not aiming for JF-17 block 3 to start with and I gave F-16 as an example of block upgrades being a norm with all...

Agreed - but I would suggest that this just buys PAF some time and reduces the urgency of a J-10B type, does not do away with the need altogether.

J-10A is a heavier class fighter, more expensive to buy and operate - does not realy fit with what PAF wanted from the JF-17. On the contrary, despite meagre resources and limits on who will supply PAF has shown exceptional initiative to get itself where it is now.

No disrespect to you - but you are quite right - I do not understand your point. The jf-17 was designed to be a cheap as possible and as cutting edge as possible. I do not see what has changed. First JF-17's came in 2007 as block 1 and we are yet to see the first block 2. And frankly what we are...

Thats like saying why did U.S. bother to make F-16A/B --- why didn't they just make the C/D. It is normal to upgrade in blocks in line with a maturing platform - nothing to do with management. Regardless - that's better discussed on JF-17 thread. Has the U.S. learnt from their 'mistake' of...

So you believe that anyone saying anything positive about the J-10B is lieing because they are on CIA's payroll but anyone saying anything negative is speaking the gospell truth?? Sounds to me like you are one living a lie and living on make beliefs. With regard to your off topic derogatory...

So is it possible that the Chinese General is misleading the US by downplaying Chinese Products in the same way that you say all independent aviation experts are only saying that latest Chinese products are on par with US fIghters as part of some global US misinformation campaign???? Or are you...

I understand and agree that the JF-17 has alot of room for further development but remember that PAF wants the JF-17 to be as cutting edge as possible while keeping costs to a minimum so that they can bulk up PAF numbers with the type. My guess is those advancements will be preffered which have...

Even with designs with limited potential such as the F-7 and A-5 China continued to introduce ingenius improvements until very recently. So with the J-10B which has bags of potential you can be sure to expect a lot more to come. Indigenous engine – possibly with thrust vector, conformal fuel...

Just being patronising and calling everyone 'children' and 'kids' all the time doesn't some how make you a superior being. As usual your logic or lack of it is LOL funny. In the same post - and again I quote you say 'don't like something---ignore it---something gets you mad---stop listening to...

Instead of asking me to post sources for independant analysts putting J-10B on par with F-16E Block 60 - why don't you subscribe to a few aviation magazines and try to keep up? I agree - time to face reality -- It is independant experts who are putting China's latest 5th Gen types on par with...

If you actualy read my post you would see that J-10B capabilities are being put on par with the F-16E block 60 by large number of avaition experts writing for reputable publications -- NOT BY ME. My question was whether all these publications / experts were wrong???? Funny that in the same post...

Regarding 2 toasted etc - suggest you go back and read the posts by some members at the time of the attack. One is damaged - that was confirmed officilay at the time. I for one am not accepting it was damaged 'substantaily' untill we have specific official confirmation of this. Time will tell...

Accusing people of lying is a bit strong. Don't be so sure of yourself based on one vague statement which lumped Mehran and Kamra together- wait for facts to emerge and then jump up and down with joy if justified. People were as adament as you are now, that 2 are 'toast' and one badly damaged -...