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Insults. Great. That means you have nothing left to add. But , then again, you never did. Refer to my posts where i said majority sects are of the view? Oh yeah I forgot. You are autistic. Cant spend a second without repeating the same drivel answered about a 100 times. Don’t start frothing...

Yeah i agree. Even Swat and areas nearby celebrated eid TODAY. Go figure. I am also if the view that this is utter failure of the government. No argument there. My reply was to another user who said it is a Pushtoon nationalist issue. I dont think it is. Also as someone already posted earlier...

Believe me i have had a lot of discussions on this. I have had the answer many times. Mufti Muneeb is barelvi. That was what i arrived at . Leave the KP government stance as well. They said they will observe the extra fast after eid. Go figure.

Well if you think Ramzan fasting and Hadd punishments are in the same category of religious obligation than i am amzaed at your utter lack of knowledge. I already categorised both obligations for you. Jurisprudence and Religious duty of faith(Farz) are two different categories. Also note DNA is...

Moon sighting is not an issue in any country but Pakistan. Speaks volumes about what the issue actually is.

No it wasn’t relevant. Read again what i said. One is related to Jurisprudence the other to establish a religious obligation. Hadd is a matter of justice/Jurisprudence and in a different class to Fasting.On the contrary, it is you who’s doing the “Main mansa taan” buffoonery. The burden of...

It became one because Mufti Muneeb is Barelvi. Or so i heard. Rest assured the issue is one of sectarianism then any legitimate concern.

It was as relevant as apples are to oranges . I have already given my argument on this. Saying something is WRONG without proof is not a valid argument. Try again. You mean to say like lame attempt to discredit my argument by attributing it to illiterate Mullahs? Whereas i have quoted...

You can deflect all you want friend. If you use opinions of scholars in your arguments , the same scholars are unanimous in moon sighting. Your attempts are getting more laughable as we progress. I already showed you categorical prohibition. Then you start debating a new tangent totally...

You deal with him like Musharraf did.

And I totally agree with their model. This is EXACTLY the model i am arguing in favour of.

Yeah please read your own example quoted In the absence of categorical prohibition, the learned people may do so. Not every tom , dick and harry. The same Maududi said moon sighting is the Sunnah and should be maintained. You can’t cherry pick. “Do not Fast until “ is categorical prohibition...

I said his example is of apples and oranges since one has to do with Jurisprudence and the other with a religious obligation (Ramzan Fasting). Don’t know what you are on about.

I am arguing about science being used as primary source replacing moon sighting. Your comprehension skills are appalling for someone projecting himself as a proponent of science.

Agreed. The state has been powerless for 70 odd years. Only Musharraf solved this issue by arresting him a day before eid. Eid was celebrated throughout Pakistan on the same day that year.

So you agree the controversy is only political/ shop embellishment? These far flung people visit zonal ruet hilal committees so their testimony is verified in the localities they are situated in. I never said testimony should be accepted at face value and must be accepted. That is a figment...

Eid Mubarak to everyone. I hope we can work out through our differences to be a united , faithful and disciplined nation.

As I already posted, what is being proposed is to just rely on lunar calculations alone. That is replacing Sunnah of sighting the moon. Lunar calculations were present before Islam , again as i have already posted. When a witness is lying , there are many ways to prove him wrong including...

You don’t. You wait for testimony or complete 30 days. The scientific solution is not in question. It is the canon/basis for deciding that is being discussed here.

Our Prophet(PBUH) insists on moon sighting. Stop spewing nonsense about what you know not. Also note lunar calculations were available at the time of the Prophet (PBUH). Go through the thread .