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My question was rhetorical ... But thanks Hu anyway.

Take a deep breath, friend. Is your "fair"-and-"unbiased" moniker tongue-in-cheek? So who invented Uighurs? And who invented Hans? How many years have you lived in China, FAU that you could come up with something outlandish like this? Or were you one of those who came to the US before you...

JJ is an "incarnation" of someone who has been here for quite some time and through several "avatars", I suspect. In all honesty, I am not "us", and you are not "us". But thank God this JJ doesn't speak for "us". False-flag is as false-flag says. I'll give JJ this though - "he" made this...

With this post I reach 1000th ... what a hard slog it took over 3 1/2 years! See I worked harder than this "false flag Indian", but clearly not as diligent as dragon boy. There was a time reaching 1000 alone would have earned one "senior member" status. Nowadays with inflation, I gotta put in...

Shoot, so the mafia bosses had my IP, MAC in addition to CIA/Mossad/ISI? Thanks Deno! I wouldn't mind checking out the last two books on your list when I get the time. At the mean time, Adios to you and the forum for a while since I am not sure I want to reach my 1000th milestone in the...

You can't discount people's feelings. "Pan-Turanism" is not simplistic. But at its most radical level, it is employed as a tool by the powers that want o bring down Persia/Iran, Russia, and possibly China (though China can exist without Xinjiang). That's a whole new discussion.

I agree that it doesn't have to be trolling to discuss the changing racial make-up of the "Turkish nation" as it traversed time and space. However, clearly you could see a potential for abuse and not anybody can discuss it rationally as you could. And in real life I have seen threads touching...

Let it go, Tiger, before this gets completely trashed by the discussion of "original" vs the "new".

Nobody said Manchus/Mongols were Turks. I don't think tiger said that at all. This is not the place for "Altaicist" conspiracies. Let ask you, NE, Poles in London speak English, are they English? Better yet, Baboos in Hindustan speak English, are they English? They could be better than the...

That's okay buddy. They really didn't teach you much. Neither did they teach me and I am the same victim as you. But would you go easy on your fellow victim? Check out "interpreted" 唐书 (old and new)，隋书，周书, etc. BTW, you are right about...

That was later, as I said, after East and West Tujues crumbled and were vasselized by the Tangs. That timeline was not easy. Remember, the Gokturks rose before the 隋.

The first couple of Tang emperors at least. Most of the Sui emperors, too. I recall reading that the Crown Prince of 太宗 was basically passed over because he'd rather roam the steppes, shoot arrows, splash ashes, do something (I forget) with his hair, and tattoo his face than...

Dear mods. Pls clear out the baboos from Hindustan. Otherwise it's a waste of time for anyone else.

Tiger, you are a bright dude. This "Neo-Ottomanism" is but a cover for "Neo-Byzantinism" by the rather broad-based elites and their ("Turkified" Anatolian Hellenes) to assert influence in traditional Byzantine territory and prevent chaos. The "neo-ottomanism" is a modifier, and to some extent...

I think you are confusing the "Tujue" with the Huns/Xiongnu who were "driven away" around the time of Christ. Both the early Tang and its predecessor Sui were for a time "tributary" states to the various Tujue tribes that grew powerful during 五胡 period (using Chinese history as a...

These were Huns, at most vague ancesters to "proto-Turks", "Mongols", even "Manchus", and a whole host of not-yet defined steppe people. As to the "grandpa" Turkish nation (as an ethnolinguistic entitiy - if not a "racial" group), it is generally considered to have developed out of the Gokturks.

I entirely agree with you that Iran has to do the right thing now to ask Asad to "make a serious gesture" now that Homs is "tactically" quiet. Everybody clues in that it ain't Russia or China that can move Asad. It's more likely that Asad is moving them, with some skill and persuasion. If...

Indeed a waste-of-time thread. So I'll waste some more time here: All were from countries or communities that were American allies in the Region. KSA (15) - chief ally goes without saying UAE (2) - no less committed ally Egypt (1) - at that time biggest ally by size Lebanon (1) - from a...

Widow finds me cute? I don't care about your question, widow. I was simply pointing out that if someone feels madly aggrieved in a relatively unarmed "Commie" city, a knife wouldn't be a terrible choice to wreak some damage. The same dude would be crazy to try that in axe- and stick-wielding...

Sorry widow. Look in India no minority groups would dream of confronting Hindu mobs who swarm slumdogs (as in the movie) and others with axes, tridents and sticks. In PRC, even a skinny guy who knew how to work a knife (who may have been egregiously wronged btw) could dispatch 5 unarmed and...