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Hi, folks. It's been a while since I've been keeping track of PAF developments so what's the latest on these planes? Reading the last few pages it seems like there are engine supply issues? Delivery is still expected in 2014, yes? Last I checked there was some confusion on the whether the...

I remember that a reputable poster called eaglehannon said that the first J-10 would be arriving this December. Any signs of that being true?

Thanks for the insight, gents.

I know that "plane A vs. plane B" threads are discouraged, but can anyone explain how the F-16 (block 52) stacks up against the JF-17 (either block) and J-10B? I know that the block 52s carry all the latest goodies, but the plane is still of 1980s development, and hopefully the latter two...

Oh, I know that this whole Cairo-2000 business is bogus. I'm just looking for the forum it was found on.

Could you provide a link to these forums? I've tried googling up some Middle Eastern defence forums but haven't been able to find anything. Thanks!

Agreed. The most suspicious detail is that $65 million per unit price tag. The American military said that the aircraft to be procured in 2012 will cost more than 200 million dollars each. And Hillary Clinton just walks in and offers it to India at a third of the price? To the moderators, my...

I don't buy the balance of power argument. Providing India with F-35s to go along with the PAK-FA, Su-30 and Rafale/Typhoon doesn't sound like balance to me. a) US is hell-bent on using India as a counterweight to China, Pakistan's concerns be damned or b) US desperately needs to increase the...

Oh goody, more uneducated whining from the Americans.

So, the gentleman from the Chinese forum says that it's an upgraded version of J-10A, whereas Eagle Hannan says that it's a modified version of J-10B? From what I've read / I'm reading both are reliable sources, correct? Is there a third source we can use as a "tie-breaker" lol? I remember...

I just think that actions speak louder than words. Especially the words used by the IAF chief. We'll agree to disagree.

I think that if either side used even a tactical nuclear weapon, the public fury in the other country for retaliation would be too great. The Cold War may be gone, but M.A.D. is still around.

That wasn't a response, it was a vitriolic rant. Sounded pretty insecure to me. Sure, Pakistan tested a missile. Test your own. Talk about your own military advances rather than moan to your media like a seven year old child. Doesn't he understand diplomacy? And why should he care about what the...

If this hot-headed idiot with his schoolyard rhetoric is the best leader the Indians could find to lead their air force, then they have a lot more to worry about than any Pakistani missile. I mean, what is it with the Indian military brass and their constant desire to talk about their...

Exactly! Hopefully the air force brass shares this view as well. Ah, I can see why that would be a problem then. Thank you and Antibody for the help!

That's exactly what I'm wondering. Pretty confused right now.

Thanks for the clarification. Pardon my ignorance, but what does AFFDP stand for? So twin-engined fighters come with too many maintenance headaches? There goes my dream of seeing a Rafale in the PAF - not that the French would sell it to us anyway.. EDIT: Can you confirm if this decision was...

Just around these forums. I read two posts over the last few days that said that. One of them is here, http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/3218-j-10-fc-20-mrca-250.html (post #3739). Can't seem to find the one which referred to some sort of cabinet order. I've been digging around on...

I've heard that the government has prohibited the air force from inducting any twin-engine fighters until 2019. Is that true? And, if so, what's the reasoning behind it?

Hold on, that (superb) article posted by Antibody says that the J-10B order was cancelled. That's not true, is it? Induction is still expected in 2014ish?