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Chinese President Xi Jinping and containers stacked at Yangshan Deepwater Port in Shanghai: China's growth model will be at risk if manufacturers relocate to other countries to be less China-dependent. (Nikkei Montage/Source photo by Reuters/Getty Images)
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Xi fears Japan-led manufacturing exodus from China
The year of the metal rat returns every 60 years -- and brings calamity with it

KATSUJI NAKAZAWA, Nikkei senior staff writerAPRIL 16, 2020 04:20 JST
TOKYO -- Amid the coronavirus pandemic, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has proposed building an economy that is less dependent on one country, China, so that the nation can better avoid supply chain disruptions.

The call touched off a heated debate in the Chinese political world.

In Zhongnanhai, the area in central Beijing where leaders of the Chinese Communist Party and the state government have their offices, "there are now serious concerns over foreign companies withdrawing from China," a Chinese economic source said. "What has particularly been talked about is the clause in Japan's emergency economic package that encourages (and funds) the re-establishment of supply chains."

Had the pandemic not struck, Chinese President Xi Jinping's maiden state visit to Japan would have been wrapped up by now with Xi proudly declaring a "new era" of Sino-Japanese relations. He would have cheered on Abe as Japan prepared for the next big event, the 2020 Olympics.

Instead, both Xi's trip and the Tokyo Olympics have been postponed, and Sino-Japanese relations find themselves at a crossroads.

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Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe was clear about the direction he wants Japanese manufacturers to take -- away from an over-reliance on China. (Photo by Uichiro Kasai)
Signals of Abe's new policy were visible as early as March 5.

Japan had finally been able to put the Diamond Princess cruise ship disaster behind it but was still snowed under by the challenge of preventing the virus's further spread.

On that date, coincidentally the same day the postponement of Xi's Japan visit was announced, the Japanese government held a meeting of the Council on Investments for the Future. Abe, who chairs the council, said he wanted high value-added product manufacturing bases to come home to Japan.

At the table were influential business leaders such as Hiroaki Nakanishi, chairman of the Japan Business Federation, the country's biggest business lobby better known as Keidanren.

"Due to the coronavirus, fewer products are coming from China to Japan," Abe said. "People are worried about our supply chains."

Of the products that rely heavily on a single country for manufacturing, "we should try to relocate high added value items to Japan," the leader said. "And for everything else, we should diversify to countries like those in ASEAN."

Abe's remarks were clear. They came as disruptions hit the procurement of auto parts and other products for which Japan relies on China, seriously impacting corporate Japan's activities.

And they asked for something more than the traditional "China plus one" concept, in which companies add a non-China location to diversify production.

Abe was forming a "shift away from China" policy.

With the nation transfixed by coronavirus coverage, the proposal failed to generate big headlines in Japan.

But China was watching carefully, perhaps wondering whether it was about to undergo an industrial hollowing-out like Japan once experienced.

Such a trend would shake the foundation of China's long-standing growth model.

In its emergency economic package adopted on April 7, the Japanese government called for the re-establishment of supply chains that have been hit by the virus's proliferation. It earmarked more than 240 billion yen (about $2.2 billion) in its supplementary budget plan for fiscal 2020 to assist domestic companies to move production back home or to diversify their production bases into Southeast Asia. It is a tidy sum of money.

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Chinese President Xi Jinping and Politburo Standing Committee members Wang Huning, Li Zhanshu and Li Keqiang attend a wreath laying ceremony in Beijing's Tiananmen Square on Sept. 30, 2019.
The next day, April 8, China's Politburo Standing Committee, the party's top decision-making body, held a meeting in Beijing.

Speaking at the meeting, President Xi said that "as the pandemic continues its global spread, the world economy faces a mounting downside risk." He added, "Unstable and uncertain factors are notably increasing."

Xi, who doubles as the party's general secretary, stressed the need to stick to "bottom-line thinking" -- which means assuming the worst -- and called for "preparedness in mind and work to cope with prolonged external environment changes."

The seven-member Politburo Standing Committee usually meets once a week, and it is rare for the holding and content of these meetings to be reported.

Xi sounded the call to prepare for "a protracted battle" while assuming the worst.

There are talks in the U.S. regarding China dependency.

Larry Kudlow, chairman of the White House's National Economic Council, has expressed his intention to consider shouldering the relocation costs of American companies returning home from China.

It fits with President Donald Trump's "America first" agenda.

If the U.S. and Japan, the world's biggest and third-biggest economies respectively, move away from China, it will have a huge impact on the world's second-biggest economy.

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U.S. President Donald Trump and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe appear to be on the same page when it comes supply chains in China, much to Chinese President Xi Jinping's chagrin. © Kyodo
One topic has now set tongues wagging in the world of Chinese intellectuals. According to the Chinese astrology chart, 2020 is the year of Geng-Zi, or the metal rat, which comes once every 60 years.

It is said that every time the year of the metal rat rolls around a big history-shaking incident takes place.

In 1840, during the Qing dynasty, the Opium War broke out, leading to China's stagnation for more than a century.

Sixty years later, in 1900, toward the end of the Qing dynasty, forces from an alliance of eight nations -- the U.K., U.S., Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Japan and Austria-Hungary -- moved from Tianjin to Beijing, an incident triggered by the Boxer Rebellion, which had started in 1899.

"55 Days at Peking" is an American film starring Charlton Heston and depicting the siege of the foreign legations' compounds in Peking, now known as Beijing, during the Boxer Rebellion.

The metal rat's next return, in 1960, coincided with a famine caused by the Great Leap Forward led by Mao Zedong, the founding father of "a new China," or the People's Republic of China.

Yang Jisheng, a former journalist for Xinhua News Agency who lost his foster father to the famine, later authored "Tombstone," a detailed reportage about the epic disaster.

Based on field work and interviews, Yang revealed that as many as 36 million people died of hunger during the Great Leap Forward, far more than China once announced.

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Silkworm cocoon harvesting during the Great Leap Forward. The last time the year of the metal rat came around, the Great Leap Forward was pushing China into a devastating famine. (Photo by Keystone-France/Gamma-Keystone via Getty Images) © Getty Images
What will this year's metal rat jinx be like for China?

The peak of China's coronavirus outbreak has passed. But Zhang Wenhong, the head of a coronavirus clinical expert team whose profile has been on the rise, has said a second round of infections will hit in November or later.

During the 1918-1920 Spanish flu pandemic, the second wave of infections was more serious than the first. No pandemic has been more deadly since then. Estimates are that 500 million people, a third of the planet's population, were infected and that 50 million died.

Zhong Nanshan, an 83-year-old medical doctor, has shined since 2003, when he played a major role in the fight against severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS.

The new coronavirus has already mutated, and its death rate has reached levels up to 20 times higher than that for influenza, Zhong has warned.

The new virus emerged in China late last year and then spread globally. China's crackdown on information and social media posts regarding the outbreak through mid-January and its delayed initial response to the public health crisis ended up contributing to a catastrophe and sparking an international uproar.

Trump had been calling the coronavirus "the Chinese virus," although he has since stopped doing so.

Global public opinion will greatly affect the re-establishment of a post-virus world order. As things stand now, those moving to take the initiative are the U.S. and China.

In ancient China, bamboo strips were the main canvas for documents before the introduction of paper. They were called "green logs" because bamboo strips are green before they are cured and sewn into books.

Bamboo strips are official documents that are kept for posterity, and it was important for an emperor to inscribe his name on them.

If the scourge of the coronavirus were to drastically change the world order in the 21st century, will it be the U.S. or China that inscribes the bamboo strips? China cannot afford to lose.

Much will depend on how the U.S. and China rebuild their respective virus-hit economies. If major foreign companies withdraw from China, it will become a big drag on the Middle Kingdom's economic revival.

Katsuji Nakazawa is a Tokyo-based senior staff writer and editorial writer at Nikkei. He has spent seven years in China as a correspondent and later as China bureau chief. He is the 2014 recipient of the Vaughn-Ueda International Journalist prize for international reporting.
 
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Japan's own economy is collapsing while they are falling further and further behind in the high growth areas of the economy like software, IoT, telecom, etc. Even in semiconductor, a previous Japanese stronghold, they are nowhere near leading edge fabs.

To top it off, they just had a massive coverup of coronavirus cases exposed because they didn't want to lose face for the Olympics. The projection is for 400k in Japan.

They think too highly of their ability to influence the Chinese economy.
 
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Japan's own economy is collapsing while they are falling further and further behind in the high growth areas of the economy like software, IoT, telecom, etc. Even in semiconductor, a previous Japanese stronghold, they are nowhere near leading edge fabs.

To top it off, they just had a massive coverup of coronavirus cases exposed because they didn't want to lose face for the Olympics. The projection is for 400k in Japan.

They think too highly of their ability to influence the Chinese economy.
What you see is just a moment of time, means little. Germany 10 years ago was on the same page. Now thanks to immigration Germany has surpassed all European countries by great margins, by any standards. You can see in the current virus crisis: Germany has more hospital beds, more ventilators, more money to spend than France, UK, Italy combined. Japan should follow Germany‘s path.

Chinese population is getting old, young chinese are getting lazy. enough young, ambitious people in Vietnam, Indonesia, ASEAN in general can form a new manufacturing center for Japan.
 
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Moving production out of China is easier said than done. China has over the decades painstakingly built these ecosystems where any new manufacturer sets shop and starts production. Japanese manufacturers may try an exit at cost of their very survival... not only by adding cost but also putting themselves at risk of Chinese disruption in the chain if the whole supporting network/industry doesn't exist in home market.
 
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Well I agree with @Viet that the demographic dividend will pay off for some ASEAN countries like Vietnam & Indonesia, and even non-ASEAN countries, like Bangladesh. But many longtime industrialized ASEAN member nations do not have a younger population and are also stuck in the 'middle income trap' - like everyone knows so well. Countries which wil do well in these situations will be those countries which have a higher percentage of working-age young people below twenty nine (like Bangladesh).

https://www.thedailystar.net/frontp...g-opportunity-passing-economic-growth-1431280

Meanwhile - the birth rate in Bangladesh continues to drop as it has for the last two decades, which is a double edged sword unfortunately. On the one hand - there will be many less mouths to feed, resulting in Per Capita GDP going up, which has already mostly surpassed South Asian neighbors. However the existing collection of working age people will get older and shrink, as they fall out of the work force, causing labor rates to go up.

Total fertiity rate (TFR) per woman is now 2.1 child over her lifetime, which is near replacement rate. Population growth will be halted at some point and be at a standstill. Bangladesh has a window of another thirty years in which to utilize this demographic dividend to move the country to high income status. Current govt. plans show this to be achievable by 2041. Infrastructure development and establishment of industrial and manufacturing units with Chinese, Korean and Japanese investors are ongoing.

Abe, who chairs the council, said he wanted high value-added product manufacturing bases to come home to Japan.
Of the products that rely heavily on a single country for manufacturing, "we should try to relocate high added value items to Japan," the leader said. "And for everything else, we should diversify to countries like those in ASEAN."

Like brother @FairAndUnbiased wrote, this is more political hot air from Abe to Japanese voters than practical planning advice.

Japan's high labor rates are simply unviable compared to other countries (even for 'high-value' products like say copiers, optical instruments, semiconductors), and leaving out Chinese production is a recipe for disaster. Best will be to rely on sourcing from Chinese companies who are more diversified and produce in, say Vietnam, or Bangladesh, or Indonesia, or even any combination thereof. Chinese companies have the techniques and setups for these items down pat and they will simply adapt by moving production for some items overseas, to utilize even cheaper labor than China.

The Japanese should have done it themselves (for Japanese domestic market products) and some will continue this practice. But cutting Chinese involvement out of the picture at this time will be a recipe for disaster.
 
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Moving production out of China is easier said than done. China has over the decades painstakingly built these ecosystems where any new manufacturer sets shop and starts production. Japanese manufacturers may try an exit at cost of their very survival... not only by adding cost but also putting themselves at risk of Chinese disruption in the chain if the whole supporting network/industry doesn't exist in home market.
They forget if they move, a new Chinese company will emerge and take over that chain and they will lose market access.
 
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Companies when choosing a new factory consider a lot of things other than geographic location. Things like labor rates (very important) and skill level within a country for producing certain items come into play. Infrastructure, ready production facilities and distance of shipping are other factors.

Production of Apparel will always move to lowest cost of manufacture, which in the case of Bangladesh, is half that of Indonesia. It isn't a question of just wanting something, the economics has to make sense....

Labor rates in Bangladesh for apparel are also almost half that of Vietnam.

However Bangladesh is slowly trying to move away from apparel and into light engineering, consumer appliances (TV's, cellphones, Refrigerators, Aircons), pharmaceuticals, shipbuilding and other sectors. Apparel will still be a major part of exports for the time being.

They forget if they move, a new Chinese company will emerge and take over that chain and they will lose market access.

I know that certain products are sold in the US using non-Chinese brand which are still made in China. Instead of OEM manufacturing, China must capture the marketing and sales channel function by being in the US, like UK, Korean, German and Japanese companies have. Italian, Swedish, Brazilian, Mexican companies have done this too, but on a much smaller scale.

This will require more sophistication than sitting in China itself and simply stuffing containers for export. It will require a deep understanding of US culture and investing in infra as well as some brilliant minds to run these operations. All in good time I hope.
 
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Companies when choosing a new factory consider a lot of things other than geographic location. Things like labor rates (very important) and skill level within a country for producing certain items come into play. Infrastructure, ready production facilities and distance of shipping are other factors.

Production of Apparel will always move to lowest cost of manufacture, which in the case of Bangladesh, is half that of Indonesia. It isn't a question of just wanting something, the economics has to make sense....

Labor rates in Bangladesh for apparel are also almost half that of Vietnam.

However Bangladesh is slowly trying to move away from apparel and into light engineering, consumer appliances (TV's, cellphones, Refrigerators, Aircons), pharmaceuticals, shipbuilding and other sectors. Apparel will still be a major part of exports for the time being.



I know that certain products are sold in the US using non-Chinese brand which are still made in China. Instead of OEM manufacturing, China must capture the marketing and sales channel function by being in the US, like UK, Korean, German and Japanese companies have. Italian, Swedish, Brazilian, Mexican companies have done this too, but on a much smaller scale.

This will require more sophistication than sitting in China itself and simply stuffing containers for export. It will require a deep understanding of US culture and investing in infra as well as some brilliant minds to run these operations. All in good time I hope.

Those people who have engineering degree, either in Indonesia or Bangladesh, have responsibilities to set up home grown manufacturing companies in the country. We must include entrepreneurship subject to be put on our STEM college/faculties.
 
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Companies when choosing a new factory consider a lot of things other than geographic location. Things like labor rates (very important) and skill level within a country for producing certain items come into play. Infrastructure, ready production facilities and distance of shipping are other factors.

Production of Apparel will always move to lowest cost of manufacture, which in the case of Bangladesh, is half that of Indonesia. It isn't a question of just wanting something, the economics has to make sense....

Labor rates in Bangladesh for apparel are also almost half that of Vietnam.

However Bangladesh is slowly trying to move away from apparel and into light engineering, consumer appliances (TV's, cellphones, Refrigerators, Aircons), pharmaceuticals, shipbuilding and other sectors. Apparel will still be a major part of exports for the time being.



I know that certain products are sold in the US using non-Chinese brand which are still made in China. Instead of OEM manufacturing, China must capture the marketing and sales channel function by being in the US, like UK, Korean, German and Japanese companies have. Italian, Swedish, Brazilian, Mexican companies have done this too, but on a much smaller scale.

This will require more sophistication than sitting in China itself and simply stuffing containers for export. It will require a deep understanding of US culture and investing in infra as well as some brilliant minds to run these operations. All in good time I hope.
Exactly almost all products even the branded ones have Chinese parts. I believe Chinese manufacturers will diversify production to Vietnam Bangladesh and Sea.
 
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What you see is just a moment of time, means little. Germany 10 years ago was on the same page. Now thanks to immigration Germany has surpassed all European countries by great margins, by any standards. You can see in the current virus crisis: Germany has more hospital beds, more ventilators, more money to spend than France, UK, Italy combined. Japan should follow Germany‘s path.

Chinese population is getting old, young chinese are getting lazy. enough young, ambitious people in Vietnam, Indonesia, ASEAN in general can form a new manufacturing center for Japan.

ambition... lol, let me ask you this: software development is free. all you need is a computer, a brain and spare time.

where is Vietnamese Alibaba or Baidu?

simple proof that you don't have enough ambition.
 
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Well I agree with @Viet that the demographic dividend will pay off for some ASEAN countries like Vietnam & Indonesia, and even non-ASEAN countries, like Bangladesh. But many longtime industrialized ASEAN member nations do not have a younger population and are also stuck in the 'middle income trap' - like everyone knows so well. Countries which wil do well in these situations will be those countries which have a higher percentage of working-age young people below twenty nine (like Bangladesh).

https://www.thedailystar.net/frontp...g-opportunity-passing-economic-growth-1431280

Meanwhile - the birth rate in Bangladesh continues to drop as it has for the last two decades, which is a double edged sword unfortunately. On the one hand - there will be many less mouths to feed, resulting in Per Capita GDP going up, which has already mostly surpassed South Asian neighbors. However the existing collection of working age people will get older and shrink, as they fall out of the work force, causing labor rates to go up.

Total fertiity rate (TFR) per woman is now 2.1 child over her lifetime, which is near replacement rate. Population growth will be halted at some point and be at a standstill. Bangladesh has a window of another thirty years in which to utilize this demographic dividend to move the country to high income status. Current govt. plans show this to be achievable by 2041. Infrastructure development and establishment of industrial and manufacturing units with Chinese, Korean and Japanese investors are ongoing.




Like brother @FairAndUnbiased wrote, this is more political hot air from Abe to Japanese voters than practical planning advice.

Japan's high labor rates are simply unviable compared to other countries (even for 'high-value' products like say copiers, optical instruments, semiconductors), and leaving out Chinese production is a recipe for disaster. Best will be to rely on sourcing from Chinese companies who are more diversified and produce in, say Vietnam, or Bangladesh, or Indonesia, or even any combination thereof. Chinese companies have the techniques and setups for these items down pat and they will simply adapt by moving production for some items overseas, to utilize even cheaper labor than China.

The Japanese should have done it themselves (for Japanese domestic market products) and some will continue this practice. But cutting Chinese involvement out of the picture at this time will be a recipe for disaster.
Time is running out for chinese manufacturing. I see no future in China in making shoes, garments, smartphones, televisions, household appliances, plastics, bed ware etc.
Too expensive to make in China
Chinese youths become lazy.
That’s a big cake to share among Vietnam, Asean, yes also Bangladesh.

Chinese youths can focus on making high-end products such as aircraft carrier.
 
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