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Worried about Muslims in Britain? Here's the answer - Telegraph

As figures show the number of Muslim children is rising, James Kirkup says integration is about economics, not values

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Do you worry about Britain’s growing Muslim population? You’re not alone.

According to the British Social Attitudes (BSA) survey, in 2003, 48 per cent of Britons worried that an increase in the Muslim population would weaken Britain’s national identity. By 2013, that had risen to 62 per cent.

A report from the Muslim Council of Britain this week may sharpen those concerns. Based on Census data, it set out how immigration and a high birth-rate have combined to swell Britain’s population to 2.7 million, around a third of them aged under 15.

Almost every political conversation about British Muslims touches on “integration,” the extent to which they and their socially conservative values fit into an increasingly liberal society. Many people fret about Muslims failing to integrate, leading separate lives in their own insular communities.

So are British Muslims becoming more concentrated in particular areas, or are they spreading out and mingling with the rest of the population? Confusingly, the answer is: both.

The rise in the Muslim population, especially because of a high birth rate, means that Muslim “clusters” are getting bigger. There are eight English council areas where Muslims make up more than 20 per cent of the population. Tower Hamlets in London tops the list with 34.5 per cent.

But at the same time, some Muslims are moving out of those clusters into more mixed areas. So while Tower Hamlets’ Muslim population grew 19 per cent over the decade to 2011, that is far slower than the UK growth of 75 per cent, or even London’s figure of 35 per cent.

“There are bigger clusters and more mixing at the same time,” according to Manchester University’s Centre on Dynamics of Ethnicity. Its “index of dissimilarity” (a measure of integration) for Muslims fell from 56 per cent in 2001 to 54 per cent in 2011. Sikhs were slightly less integrated (61 per cent) and Hindus slightly more (52 per cent). The situation is improving, but only very slightly.

The reasons that ethnic and religious groups spread out isn’t easily trapped in statistics, but just about every study and analyst agrees that the strongest motivations here are education and employment. Most people who move away from the area where they were raised do so to get qualifications or jobs. The richer and better-educated someone is, the more likely they are to move and mingle, and maybe even inter-marry. To integrate.


So what are the prospects for those increasingly numerous children of Muslim households?

There are six state-funded Muslim primary schools, educating around 2,300 pupils. The Association of Muslim Schools says there are a total 156 dedicated Muslim schools in the UK, most of them privately-funded.

The Census data show 8.1 per cent of all school-age children are Muslim. But again, the distribution of that population is what counts, and Muslim children are often concentrated in particular areas.

In Tower Hamlets 66 per cent of school-age children are Muslim. In another seven London council areas, more than a quarter of all school-age children are from Muslim homes. And in Birmingham, several council wards have a figure above 60 per cent.

Many observers, including Matthew Taylor, a former adviser to Tony Blair, worry that Muslim schools tend to be “monocultural” and thus work against integration.

But a more important criticism of the education that many Muslims children receive may be that it is just not very good.

An article in the Curriculum Journal last year suggested that many Muslim pupils do worse than their peers for reasons including: “overcrowded housing, the relative absence of parental English language skills in some Muslim communities, low levels of parental engagement with mainstream schools, low teacher expectations, the curricular removal of Islam from the school learning environment, and racism and anti-Muslim prejudice.”

And if any group needs better education, it is Britain’s Muslims. The proportion of Muslims with no qualifications has fallen from 39 per cent to 26 per cent, but it still remains above the population as a whole, where the figure is 23 per cent.

The MCB is keen to talk up advances in the number of Muslims with degrees, which has indeed risen from 20.6 per cent to 24 per cent. But over the same period, the educational level of overall population rose faster: the share of British adults with degrees went from 19.8 per cent to 27.2 per cent. Muslims, having been more likely than the rest to have degrees, are now less likely.

Other religious groups also outperform British Muslims: 30.1 per cent of Sikhs have degrees, and 44.6 per cent of Hindus.

Muslim underperformance at higher education is at least partly down to gender. In the population as a whole, young women are more likely to go to university than young men. But among British Muslims, the pattern is reversed, with three Muslim boys going on to higher education for every two women. Equalising those numbers would send another 50,000 Muslim women university.

And when British Muslims do go on to university, some studies suggest they are less likely than other groups to attend the best colleges. Oxbridge and the Russell Group have been criticised in several studies for the low percentage of minority students they admit.

In the “higher managerial” and “higher professional” groups – company executives, lawyers, doctors – Muslims are only slightly under-represented. But lower down the scale, major gaps appear. Around 20 per cent of the UK workforce does “lower managerial, administrative and professional” , jobs, the first rung on the middle-class ladder. For Muslims, the figure is just 10 per cent.

Meanwhile, some 21.3 per cent of British Muslims have never worked, a figure that excludes full-time students. For the UK as a whole, the figure is just 4.3 per cent.

The outcome of this poor performance is unsurprising: Muslims are poorer, sicker, less likely to own their own homes and more likely to live in bad areas. And even as Britain gets richer, Muslims are sliding down the scale.

The 10 per cent of council wards that count as the most deprived parts of the country are now home to 1.2 million Muslims, around 46 per cent of the total. In 2001, just 33 per cent of British Muslims lived in Britain’s poorest places.

How much does this matter? Is Muslims’ poor educational and economic performance a problem for anyone other than Muslims themselves?

Research published in the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion in 2013 is useful here.

Based on BSA data and interviews with hundreds of British Muslims, it found that they were indeed more socially conservative than other Britons on gender roles in the home, divorce, premarital sex, abortion, homosexuality, and same-sex marriage.

But comparing Muslims with other Britons, it concluded that “much of the difference on socio-moral opinions was due to socio-economic disadvantage and high religiosity, both factors which predict social conservatism among all Britons and not just Muslims.”

In other words, Muslims’ moral and social attitudes, the old-fashioned and illiberal attitudes that worry so many people aren’t so very different from those of other poor and badly-educated non-Muslims.

Many commentators and politicians approach integration as a cultural question, arguing that more should be done to persuade British Muslims to accept “British values”. Perhaps we’d be better off taking an economic perspective, accepting that a better aim is making them better off.

Worried about the rising number of Muslim children in our schools? Then you should hope they pass their exams, go to good universities and get well-paid jobs. Especially the girls. Really, turn more Muslims into fully paid-up members of the Waitrose-shopping, Audi-driving, Boden-wearing middle-classes and their values will take care of themselves.






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I agree that Muslims prefer to live in areas with Muslim majority but that is because of availability of halal meat, mosques and sometimes language barriers. There are a lot of young Muslim professionals in London. I don't know about the north of Britain which is relatively poorer in general. I think background country is also a factor. It isn't really fair to group Muslims together as Britain has communities from Nigeria to Bangladesh and they don't always integrate even with eachother.
 
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The most psychotic ISIS members all appear to have come from Britain. Nevertheless, we don't have anything like the French situation in this country with the Muslim population almost completely concentrated in slum like neighbourhoods on the outskirts of town. So it's a mixed bag really.
 
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It shows in the graphs that it’s improving (educational levels, amount of Muslims in the workforce) or have I misread the whole thing?
 
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It shows in the graphs that it’s improving (educational levels, amount of Muslims in the workforce) or have I misread the whole thing?
The overall growth of degree holders is higher overall than the Muslims I.e they are growing lower than average.
 
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The most psychotic ISIS members all appear to have come from Britain. Nevertheless, we don't have anything like the French situation in this country with the Muslim population almost completely concentrated in slum like neighbourhoods on the outskirts of town. So it's a mixed bag really.
Seriously? East London for a start, I am a Muslim and I felt insecure out there. Hate speech is rampant all over, the streets and stations smell of urine and chances are you will get your cellphone snatched or stabbed at the very least. If the occasional skinheads on the overground bothered people before, the now evident brown folk with big beards and constantly judging beady eyes make venturing beyond Towerhill/Aldgate after sundown scary.
 
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But to improve economic situation, anyone has to adapt to the new environment and put their priorities in the correct place rather than trying to change the environment that they are living in and force others to accept their way of life. I think this is what most South Asian immigrants have gotten wrong in the past few decades.
 
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But to improve economic situation, anyone has to adapt to the new environment and put their priorities in the correct place rather than trying to change the environment that they are living in and force others to accept their way of life. I think this is what most South Asian immigrants have gotten wrong in the past few decades.
Most? I believe Hindu and Sikhs constitute the majority immigrants. I'm not sure though, do you have any data on this?

Also, as clearly show, the problem seems to be with Muslims and not Sikhs and Hindus - who are abive average by a huge margin in the indicators shown.
 
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Most? I believe Hindu and Sikhs constitute the majority immigrants. I'm not sure though, do you have any data on this?

Also, as clearly show, the problem seems to be with Muslims and not Sikhs and Hindus - who are abive average by a huge margin in the indicators shown.
To be honest, it's not exclusive to Muslims but I think when it comes to 2nd generation, Hindus/Sikhs tend to be educated. I think, cutting down the benefits could help a lot with the issue with Muslims since it will force them to adapt to the British culture and work.
 
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Seriously? East London for a start, I am a Muslim and I felt insecure out there. Hate speech is rampant all over, the streets and stations smell of urine and chances are you will get your cellphone snatched or stabbed at the very least. If the occasional skinheads on the overground bothered people before, the now evident brown folk with big beards and constantly judging beady eyes make venturing beyond Towerhill/Aldgate after sundown scary.
Violent neighbourhoods yes. Segregated neighbourhoods yes. But neighbourhoods COMPLETELY cut off from the rest of the country where even the police don't dare to venture? I'm not sure we have that many at present.

To be honest, it's not exclusive to Muslims but I think when it comes to 2nd generation, Hindus/Sikhs tend to be educated. I think, cutting down the benefits could help a lot with the issue with Muslims since it will force them to adapt to the British culture and work.
Hindus, especially those who came from Africa, were already quite well off when they came. Muslims came here from impoverished villages in order to work in dying industries like pottery and textiles. Sikhs though came from a similar background to the Muslims and managed to prosper very well so one wonders what the difference is?
 
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Hindus, especially those who came from Africa, were already quite well off when they came. Muslims came here from impoverished villages in order to work in dying industries like pottery and textiles. Sikhs though came from a similar background to the Muslims and managed to prosper very well so one wonders what the difference is?
Because Sikhs or most people from Asian backgrounds value education (education is a form of measurement of prestige) so even if the first generation of immigrants have a hard time, their children succeed in the society but for some reason the same attitude is not present among most Muslims.

Edit: Another important point is that for Hindus/Sikhs, their religion is not their primary source of identity.
 
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A section of British Muslims are trying to integrate and improve their lives yet there is also a growing mental retardation known as Wahhabism growing amongst British Muslims.
 
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Violent neighbourhoods yes. Segregated neighbourhoods yes. But neighbourhoods COMPLETELY cut off from the rest of the country where even the police don't dare to venture? I'm not sure we have that many at present.


Hindus, especially those who came from Africa, were already quite well off when they came. Muslims came here from impoverished villages in order to work in dying industries like pottery and textiles. Sikhs though came from a similar background to the Muslims and managed to prosper very well so one wonders what the difference is?

The bold is an impossibility and just a media exaggeration, but there are neighbourhoods with open hostility towards the government and system of the UK due to their religious leadership.

There are various categories of Muslims that came through, but as such the problem makers can be divided into two categories: Those that took to the usual evils of poverty within a new system(such as running gambling, prostitution and immigration scams).. and those that found that their old country values were no match for the fluid society the UK has and resorted to isolation.
As a Muslim, I ended up in a mosque where apparently "infidels" came later.. my beliefs were the first target for "cleansing"(yes, that was the word used almost with emphasis and implicit meaning).
 
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