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Not using them for offensive purposes doesn't mean no war
We should be content with our current territory, we are not living in the past where agricultures are the main economic driver (requires more land to expand), more over great and medium power countries have already had huge land and enough people. In the last 30 years there is still country like Iraq who want to invade other country for oil and gas field, but future is renewable, technology is the most important, better invest in education than using the money to invade other country
Renewable is not sustainable. Germany tried to go all renewable and they have an energy crisis. No amount of technology will make the sun shine more or the wind blow more reliably.
 
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The topic is about military power, capability to win a sizable war (not border skirmishes or battles of limited scale), no medium sized countries can match Russia's war potential. IMO Russia is a close second to US and above China, UK, France.
Russia's war potential is extremely limited by their budget. This isn't the USSR where you could just throw entire populations into tank factories and throw to the Gulag whoever refuses.

You don't understand the cost of war, especially against technologically superior forces that would definitely inflict heavy damage, Russia's only hope is to overwhelm them with numbers.
 
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Economy and military wise they aren't in any decline.

Russia is dirt poor and its military is mostly crude and old.

You need to stop living in dinosaur age and start updating yourself real quick dude cause you sound real old and out of shape. :lol:
 
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Why are you so butthurt? Angry at your masters defeat in Afghanistan?😉
Butthurt about what. I already agreed that the Taliban defeated the US like they did with Russia before 🤣 No country's military can take on the mujahideen. Lol The Chinese will suffer an even worse fate if they ever fought the Taliban I guess. 🤣 Taliban superpower. 🤣
 
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Butthurt about what. I already agreed that the Taliban defeated the US like they did with Russia before 🤣 No country's military can take on the mujahideen. Lol The Chinese will suffer an even worse fate if they ever fought the Taliban I guess. 🤣 Taliban superpower. 🤣

I think Taliban is a tool. It was the US which created and then used it. Then, Russia (and probably some others) rebranded them and reused against the US.

On the ongoing discussion, I think, in an unthinkable case of a total war between Russia and the UK when even nuclear weapons are not discounted, the UK holds as much chance of winning as a worn out old mule with a broken leg in the London Derby.

No offense to the old mule.
 
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I think Taliban is a tool. It was the US which created and then used it. Then, Russia (and probably some others) rebranded them and reused against the US.
It's not about just being used as a tool. You can hardly ever completely defeat an enemy who fights guerilla warfare, uses civilians as human shield, hides away from any confrontation whatsoever, just uses improvise explosives, suicide bombings , hit and run, etc especially when you are fighting as a conventional army respecting the rules of war , while your adversary doesn't abide by that(and doesn't have to since they are non state actor/terrorist group) and even more so when that non state actor has some sort of local support among the population. The only way you stand a chance to prevail over such an enemy is to use a scorched earth policy and raze to the ground any little suspected hideouts of such groups irrespective of civilian casualties and set an example to the others and that too should be like a stated military policy and be systematic over sustained period of time for as long as necessary. Russia used this strategy with success in Syria despite the massive civilians casualties and outcry from international community/human rights groups etc. That is the only way they could have prevailed over these groups.

However, we all know that not practical or something many country's military nowadays will be ready to do since it blatantly violates the rule of war and could have repercusions for that country internationally.
So that's a different kind of conflict and it has nothing much to do with a country's military capabilities. Else countries like Iran/Turkey/Pakistan/India etc would have found it easy to get rid of their militant/separatists groups which they have been fighting for decades now with no end in sight, that too in their own territory not even abroad. Lol . Imagine how difficult it will be to achieve that in a foreign country hundreds/thousands of miles away from your home country. Lol
So only a fool with say that Hezbollah defeated Israel. Lol Joke of the century. All they can do is use hit and run, IEDs, hide under rocks/tunnels and use civilians as human shield like all terrorist groups do when shit hits the fan and they are faced with a far superior enemy. There is no winning there for them, just surviving like rats.
 
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Jaguar is owned by Tata Motors. MG was bought over by a Chinese company. I suppose there are Rolls Royces and Bentleys but they produce very small volumes so they are basically just luxury collectible vehicles. As far as making breakthrough technologies or anything of scale, the UK is no longer a player.
RR & Bentley owned by German BMW & VW group.
South Korea would be destroyed by Russia in ten minutes in a war. You’re like the malicious shit talker pepping up a chihuahua to take on a Siberian wolf knowing it’d get murdered lmao
Don't underestimate industrial capacity,when call comes ,the entire industrial might of SAMSUNG,HYUNDAI,LG and more would be converted to feed war mechanisms of her nation.China should protect Russia as their ideal ally against the Western aggression,without letting it fall against the west. Real power are those with industrial capacity,in Americas there's US ,in Europe there's Germany and in Asia there's Japan,China and S.Korea. There nations are the real deal .
 
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RR & Bentley owned by German BMW & VW group.

Don't underestimate industrial capacity,when call comes ,the entire industrial might of SAMSUNG,HYUNDAI,LG and more would be converted to feed war mechanisms of her nation.China should protect Russia as their ideal ally against the Western aggression,without letting it fall against the west. Real power are those with industrial capacity,In Americas there's US ,in Europe there's Germany and in Asia there's Japan,China and S.Korea. There nations are the real deal .
He doesn't understand that. He thinks countries with many factories far more advanced than Russia has with far more budget wouldn't completely out produce what Russia could produce. Russia lacks components. That's why they resort to this:
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US made civilian electronics for a fighter jet.

Russia's oil plants wouldn't suddenly produce engines
 
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In future there will be power competition between 3 states only- China ,Japan and US. Infact many geopolitical reviews in US ranks Japan as no.1 future nemesis instead of China, Japan's huge leverage isn't understood well .The situation is often different from perception. US have what both Japan and China lacks in comparison,natural resources and convenient geography,US is brimming with oil,gas and vast swath of overproductive land ,region rife for wind and solar energy and with no competing power neaby,that is unless Argentina rises with their similar convenient geography and abundant natural resources ,but even than Argentina would be south American hegemon only .These matters in an era of uncertainly and disrupted trade.China and Japan have to co-operate for that.

You overestimate Japan and underestimate South Korea. South Korea's per capita GDP will surpass Japan in five years. South Korea leads Japan in emerging science and technology. Most importantly, the new generation in Korea is far stronger than that in Japan. Japan has declined.

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Who talks about China? This whole conversation is about Russia.

South Korea is more powerful though lol, economically and technologically.

With a distinct qualitive edge military wise.

Everyone knows the ranking of military strength, USA first, Russia second and China third.
If you think Russia can't win Korea, then of course China can't win Korea.
 
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Everyone knows the ranking of military strength, USA first, Russia second and China third.
If you think Russia can't win Korea, then of course China can't win Korea.

I would put Russia and China as equals, not either better than the other.

PLAN is superior to Russian Navy.

Russian Aerospace Forces are superior to PLAAF for offense since they have much better strike planes.
 
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Everyone knows the ranking of military strength, USA first, Russia second and China third.
If you think Russia can't win Korea, then of course China can't win Korea.
China is many times stronger than Russia. Chinese industrial power throws Russia to the trash.
China can beat South Korea in a 1 on 1 scenario, especially since Chinese military presence is concentrated near South Korea.
 
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You overestimate Japan and underestimate South Korea. South Korea's per capita GDP will surpass Japan in five years. South Korea leads Japan in emerging science and technology. Most importantly, the new generation in Korea is far stronger than that in Japan. Japan has declined.

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Japan is a different beast even in east Asia.They aren't about scaling like china or working upon something to refine and improve like Korea,Japan has this vision and knack of doing what needs to be done.

Japan's naval rise drove Europeans and even the Americans from their land in a decade after perry opened up the nation,under the daimyo system japan collectively had the largest pool of ships and sailors to draw upon when japan flash industrialized it had the highest proportion of able sailors in the world, this is repeating.Japanese navy was primed for long ranged navel warfare,that enabled japan to construct the longest ranged and hardest hitting ships in early 19th century, the first carrier in 1922,three decades after first indigenous steam engine ship.
Robert Lighthizer who drew the plans for supplanting Japanese growth was the same person to also head trump led economic containment of China.In 90s election, Japan was the center of American ire,for they were having it better than the Americans and Trump's original target.
Say China,it can more than meet Japan for rockets to rockets,ships to ships,but the contest is more than that.
I don't wanna play a soothsayer,but Korea isn't challenging Japanese primacy even after 50 years.Korea and even China is more fragile and vulnerable than Japan,while China also has some advantages in certain spheres,like internal market,but that's not detrimental for Japan in 21st century. Compared to Japan ,China has higher risk of interlocking crisis , trigger points in finance, pensions,demography,energy,manufacturing,food & water security,merchandising .China might seem more organised and united compared to India,but compared to Japan ,the north,south, bay area and interior don't cohere well like Japan,urban rich of coastline has less in common with one another from inner parts, corruption and other problem which are much less of a socially volatile issue in Japan. Unlike China,Japan got filthy rich before getting old.

In a destabalized environment where trade gets compromised,gulf region is 5thousand km from shanghai,19 days is required for the transport of oil in those super tankers, 12,791,553 barrels per day to sustain China,Japan needs 1/3 the amount china does ,in an imaginary situation of conflict between cHINA & Japan ,Japan will have access and logistic support from all nation in pacific and and Indian ocean,China have to hope other parties like India stays neutral,and not get naughty ideas .Japan has too many allies.Taiwan ,South Korean might re align with Japan in security matter to preserve their export driven economic sysem,for japanese access,few nation has as much of a posetive relationship with both sides of the persian gulf as japan,one of the few nations that can bring into bear the navel power to the persian gulf and the will do so,makes the nations therein to take seriously the request from tokyo,not a gunboat diplomacy in US style but client patron one,where they pay in cash and accept deliveiries.Unlike China or Koreas,each region in Japan has indigenous overcapacity in energy,no national grid,Fukushima nuclear disaster and tohoku death quake freaked Germany and other nations but japan got out unscathed and plans even more nuclear power station ,only blackout can be imposed by putting foreign boots to shut it down manually.Japan is refined for withstanding calamities,wars and disaster.
Japan has allies that has vested interest in protecting supply lanes,while generating income tax, and good will ,Japan isn't trade-dependent economy it's desourced economy ,the model which china is trying to emulate to an extend,now only a fift of auto made in japan is meant for export,one of the least trade dependent ,Japan can fight wars without serious effects on economy in comparison to many trade dependent nations,like Korea even china to an extend as of right now.
Japan keeps much of the high brain powered design and uses friendly relationship with nation that co locate industrial input and processing stapes that are low skilled ,those are in two region -Americas & SEA. Japan can easily import oil and gas from Americas and has support in Indian ocean ,advantages not available for China or Korea ,Japan can blockade the pacific route.
Korea is simply re innovating and improving upon industries that Japan has excelled upon,they are followers,Japan is about formenting the next revolutionary idea. Koreans can't surpass the Japanese aliens.
Unlike Korean navy, the Japanese has huge experience, starting from the 18th century and the Japanese 4 carrier groups are fully blue water capable and primed for long-ranged warfare, Japanese navy is arguably 2/3 best in the world,the kaga and Izumo carries f35 US's most advanced jet and rarely spends any time in docks, unlike the defunct Indian floating junk that doesn't work and can't leave port.F35 is licensed to Mitsubishi for production,and there's the 6th gen aircraft ,the same Mitsubishi is building utilizing their own ingenuity and acquired know-how from making F 35s,that jet is gonna be more impressive than Korean KFs.China has its DFs, and Japan has invested heavily in removing the eyes of missiles in space. And Japan is still the highest FDI source of SEA,and 70% of all infrastructure projects in SEA has been funded by Japan.Japan has the widest footprint on economies of other nation more so than even America,that has been half a century long process.
 
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China is many times stronger than Russia. Chinese industrial power throws Russia to the trash.
China can beat South Korea in a 1 on 1 scenario, especially since Chinese military presence is concentrated near South Korea.

This is just your personal opinion.
It is true that China's economic capacity is stronger than Russia. However, Russia's military capability is stronger than that of China, which is recognized by the world.
You can view the ranking of any military media.
 
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This is just your personal opinion.
It is true that China's economic capacity is stronger than Russia. However, Russia's military capability is stronger than that of China, which is recognized by the world.
You can view the ranking of any military media.
The way people rank militaries is wrong. Russia may have a lot of equipment but most of it isn't that modern and lacks crucial advantages.

China, once converted into a war economy, can easily out produce Russia, on top of an already, on average, more advanced army.
 
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