What planes do you export exactly the failed Tejas???
the snide remark aside, keep in mind that calling tejas "failed" because the IAF fails to accept it unless its comparable to western fighters, unlike some others who induct anything that flies because they have no other choice, is a very narrow way of looking at things.
@madokafc
I would also like to give more details about Turkish industries
Turkish helicopter is italian licensed with American/British engine. The radars, SOM Cruise missiles have more than 60+% French,Swiss,German,American components.
1. The Hisar-I / O is a product of Diehl / BGT Germany produced under license by Aselsan, being that only 30% is Turkish.
2. KALKAN the radar Aselsan is only one AN-MPQ-64 Raytheon,
3. FCR radar Ku band Aselsan is a Swiss license of Oerlikon, which also now belongs to the Rheinmetall Group.
4. The SMART-S radar MK II is authorized by Aselsan "Hollandse Signaal" or Thales Nerderlands
5. Radar Alselan Hsar MSR X-Band is a license Rheinmetall / Oerlikon
- The missile is an SL Diehl Defence IRIS-T licensed product
6. Oerlikon also provided IIR seeker for Som cruise missile.Most of the components used in SOM are sourced from small component vendors located in EU,USA. While others are bought by Rocketstan and Aselsan with costly TOT from french,Italian,German companies.
7. Same case with all Turkey naval missile boats/frigates. The new MILGEM project took shape with help of German. You guys can dig into the % break up of indigenous components
Turkey doesnt produce equipment at asian cost. Their systems are atleast 50% costlier than China which implies that Turkey private companies are paying huge royalty for using many western sub-systems
Pakistan,Iran,N-Korea have been working with solid rocket engine for 2decades but they cant produce dual pulse rocket engineAnyone will be surprised if Turks all of sudden come out with such massive breakthrough
IF Pakistan Joined MTCR then it can make all of these projects at homeEverything is freely available in western market if you dont cross the limit of 300 KM!
R&D requires 3-4 decades of public sector effort. Turkish private sector companies mainly source LCU and sensors from abroad with some kind of long term licensing agreement.
Turkey never developed a simple 5-10 Km range track while scan radar before coming out with Doppler, Long range, 3 D radar, SAR, AESA radar, S/X band, Ku band seeker, IIR seeker,it claims to have made with in a decade
Also remember that home grown product built from scratch will look less appealing.
@madokafc
I would also like to give more details about Turkish industries
Turkish helicopter is italian licensed with American/British engine. The radars, SOM Cruise missiles have more than 60+% French,Swiss,German,American components.
1. The Hisar-I / O is a product of Diehl / BGT Germany produced under license by Aselsan, being that only 30% is Turkish.
2. KALKAN the radar Aselsan is only one AN-MPQ-64 Raytheon,
3. FCR radar Ku band Aselsan is a Swiss license of Oerlikon, which also now belongs to the Rheinmetall Group.
4. The SMART-S radar MK II is authorized by Aselsan "Hollandse Signaal" or Thales Nerderlands
5. Radar Alselan Hsar MSR X-Band is a license Rheinmetall / Oerlikon
- The missile is an SL Diehl Defence IRIS-T licensed product
6. Oerlikon also provided IIR seeker for Som cruise missile.Most of the components used in SOM are sourced from small component vendors located in EU,USA. While others are bought by Rocketstan and Aselsan with costly TOT from french,Italian,German companies.
7. Same case with all Turkey naval missile boats/frigates. The new MILGEM project took shape with help of German. You guys can dig into the % break up of indigenous components
Turkey doesnt produce equipment at asian cost. Their systems are atleast 50% costlier than China which implies that Turkey private companies are paying huge royalty for using many western sub-systems
Pakistan,Iran,N-Korea have been working with solid rocket engine for 2decades but they cant produce dual pulse rocket engine
IF Pakistan Joined MTCR then it can make all of these projects at home
R&D requires 3-4 decades of public sector effort. Turkish private sector companies mainly source LCU and sensors from abroad with some kind of long term licensing agreement.
Turkey never developed a simple 5-10 Km range track while scan radar before coming out with Doppler, Long range, 3 D radar, SAR, AESA radar, S/X band, Ku band seeker, IIR seeker,it claims to have made with in a decade
Also remember that home grown product built from scratch will look less appealing.
Look at the papers published by countries. Turkey is ranked top 19-20 but 1 rank behind iran.
Turkey couldnt develop inertial navigation system
Indian makes its FOG(fiber optical gyroscope) INS(inertial navigation system)
Akash uses a FOG for example. In fact FOG technology is quite mature and FOGs are being produced in numbers. 200 FOGs for instance were recently delivered for the Akash program. FOGs are also being used for Tanks. We have FOGs of bias drift less than 0.01 degree per hour at the prototype stage currently. These are meant for ship based applications.
=> DRDO FOG many not be as good as northrop grunman but they are continuously working on improving it. I can see 4-5 papers from DRDO on Fog sensor!
Turkey got some TOT license for primitive INS from US in 90's
Google: transferofmilita00akgu_djvu.txt
But Aselsan still import FOG INS(inertial navigation system) but Aselsan are showing it as indigenous product
Ln-260 Fiber Optic Gyroscope Inertial Navigation System
with license from
The Northrop Grumman LN-260
A little-known fact that has gone largely unnoticed since the early 1990s has been the vital role played by Pakistan in the substantial expansion of Beijing-Ankara military-industrial collaboration over the last 17 years. Since 1985, Turkey has sent 18 military delegations comprising some 200 members while 14 Chinese military missions with about 330 representatives have visited Turkey at the same time. Sino-Turkish military-industrial cooperation began in the first half of the 1990s after Ankara’s negotiations with Washington for the joint production and technology transfer of the M-270 multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) failed. The US had then criticised Turkey for using US-supplied weapons for human rights abuses (against the Kurds), subsequently restricting weapons sales and military technology transfers to Turkey, and cutting off grants and loans earlier offered to Turkey for US-origin weapons. It was Pakistan which then informed Turkey that China was ready to fill the void, provided Turkey was willing to cooperate with China in the so-called fight against ‘Eastern Turkestan (Xinjiang)-sponsored terrorism’, namely to restrict, monitor and prevent the activities of Uyghur national organisations and leaders, most of whom were and are still based in Turkey. Consequently, since 1997 the Third Bureau (military attachés) of the People’s Liberation Army’s (PLA) General Staff Second Department (dealing with military intelligence) has been operating in Turkey as one of its most important, and presumably one of the most active, stations. Also in 1997, Turkey for the first time signed a contract with China for the procurement of 24 WS-1 302mm unguided rockets as well as 144 rockets for licenced-assembly in Turkey, to be supplied between 1998 and 2000. Turkey next began licence-producing the TR-300 rockets (or T-302, upgraded from the four-barrel WS-1B MLRS) under under the Turkish designation Kasırga (tornado).
In late 1998, based on a similar contract signed with the state-owned China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp (CPMIEC), Ankara ordered some 15 of China’s most advanced short-range surface-to-surface battlefield support missiles (SSBSM)--the 150km-range B-611--and under Project J-600T, began license-producing an additional 200 more under a US$300 million deal. The first such missiles—known as Yıldırım (thunderbolt), were deployed as early as 2001. The solid-fuelled Yildirim-2 variant, featuring a 300km-range, was subsequently developed jointly by the defence industries research and development institute of the Scientific and Technological Research Council of Turkey (TUBITAK-SAGE), Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corp (MKEK), and the state-owned China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp (CASIC), while it was series-produced by Roket Sanayii ve Ticaret (Roketsan). Another product jointly developed by TUBITAK and CASIC (and produced by Roketsan) since 2004 is the 70mm (2.75-inch) ‘Cirit’ guided air-to-surface missile, which is derived from the Tianyan TY-90 (Heavenly Swallow) air-to-air missile. The ‘Cirit’ features a semi-active laser homing seeker, Goodrich Corp-built SiIMU-02 inertial measurement unit (IMU) and a 3kg armour-piercing warhead built with Class 5 insensitive munitions. The 14kg, 1.9 metre-long missile has a range of 8km with a high probability of hit on a 3 × 3 metre target at this rang
