Women Will Have Access To Education And Work, Foreigners Can Leave, Says Taliban After Entering Kabul

[nang2]

No problem with islam, problem lies with not understanding and trying to force something which you and others dont understand which causes problem.

I am not talking about Islam. I said "Islamism".

 

[Darth Vader]

I am not talking about Islam. I said "Islamism".

I know what you meant, but that is the problem

 

[gambit]

No problem with islam, problem lies with not understanding and trying to force something which you and others dont understand which causes problem.

It is a problem with Islam, the same way that Christianity create problems for its followers. I like IKEA furniture. Simple enough to assemble and use. Nothing 'heirloom' about them but they are just good enough. Too bad these 'holy books' are not as easy to understand as IKEA instructions.

 

[Indos]

I hope Islamism can evolve out of its old shadow.

The words evolve is not right. Islam is actually beautiful and give huge freedom to human kind. The reason it has bad name is because Taliban during their first rule in Afghan and also Al-Qaeda and ISIS. They dont have tolerant with Shiah Hazara for example and Hazara activist talked very bad about Taliban during Taliban rule 1997-2001.

Taliban Ulama only get educated in Madrasah and with the social atmosphere under USSR occupation, where real Islamic study we can get into multi discipline and reach Professor level. Here in Indonesia we have some one who make Tafsir about Quran, but in order to do that he has to study Arabic literature for quite long in Al -Azhar University, Egypt.

He can only finish make Quran Tafsir after he reached 70 years old and all of his live is about studying and teaching in university.

AQ and ISIS is flourist due to Arab world which is filled by Autoritarian Ruler, in this kind of social environment the group who wanted change can only do that through Military means. This is why the next step for Muslim nations to be more developed and striving is to adopt Democracy ( by peaceful process )

 

[nang2]

The words evolve is not right. Islam is actually beautiful and give huge freedom to human kind. The reason it has bad name is because Taliban during their first rule in Afghan and also Al-Qaeda and ISIS. They dont have tolerant with Shiah Hazara for example and Hazara activist talked very bad about Taliban during Taliban rule 1997-2001.

Taliban Ulama only get educated in Madrasah and with the social atmosphere under USSR occupation, where real Islamic study we can get into multi discipline and reach Professor level. Here in Indonesia we have some one who make Tafsir about Quran, but in order to do that he has to study Arabic literature for quite long in Al -Azhar University, Egypt.

He can only finish make Quran Tafsir after he reached 70 years old and all of his live is about studying and teaching in university.

AQ and ISIS is flourist due to Arab world which is filled by Autoritarian Ruler, in this kind of social environment the group who wanted change can only do that through Military means. This is why the next step for Muslim nations to be more developed and striving is to adopt Democracy ( by peaceful process )

I say Islamism and you say Islam. Islamism isn't Islam. It is just a political movement in the name of Islam. Not everything in the name of Islam is really Islamic. A man in a woman's dress is still a man, regardless what the dress says.

Mixing politics and religion is often a dangerous move. That is why modern countries call for the separation of church and state. It is not like these two cannot be mixed. It is just very easy to be wrong. Religions call for unwavering faith and blind acceptance. That is because what religions pursuit is beyond human intellect, beyond human life on earth. But politics is everything human and everything earthly. Forcing some ordinary people to do what would be required for a monk is nothing but cruelty, which is against everything taught in Islam.

 

[Darth Vader]

It is a problem with Islam, the same way that Christianity create problems for its followers. I like IKEA furniture. Simple enough to assemble and use. Nothing 'heirloom' about them but they are just good enough. Too bad these 'holy books' are not as easy to understand as IKEA instructions.

Some people are good with math, some not ? Cant say there is problem with math or not, it depends on your teacher how can he translate and teach you.

No problem with islam, Problem lies with people judging other people and thinking they are gods on the Earth.

In regards to Islam, no issues with it, it came with perfect set of instructions thats Holy Quran, have a perfect role model ( Prophet Muhammad ( Peace.upon.Him))

And in regards to Holy books being hard. SINCE others are not in perfect condition so i can only point out Quran.
You have to understand off course it will be harder for us to understand as its from much more intelligent being then us humans will ever be.





Main thing is really simple
There is no God, But one whats so hard to understand here

 

[magra]

Taliban recently entered Kabul but they were in other provinces for some time and were occuping some rural areas for few years. Were they allowing girl education (and not just Quran learning) in these areas?

 

[Indos]

I say Islamism and you say Islam. Islamism isn't Islam. It is just a political movement in the name of Islam. Not everything in the name of Islam is really Islamic. A man in a woman's dress is still a man, regardless what the dress says.

Mixing politics and religion is often a dangerous move. That is why modern countries call for the separation of church and state. It is not like these two cannot be mixed. It is just very easy to be wrong. Religions call for unwavering faith and blind acceptance. That is because what religions pursuit is beyond human intellect, beyond human life on earth. But politics is everything human and everything earthly. Forcing some ordinary people to do what would be required for a monk is nothing but cruelty, which is against everything taught in Islam.

Yup Islamism that you learn from AQ/ISIS/Taliban, better you say AQ/ISIS/Taliban interpretation about Islam, not Islamism.

Yep, Islam is great but it is not easy to understand Islam if you are not raised by knowledgeable father since you are kid, a father who have huge Islamic books. Then there should be discussion between Father and his kids, not giving dogmatic teaching, so the father should hold democratic principle as well, not becoming an authorian father.

Islam is not like Christian, here everything can be understood. As non Muslim I bet you dont know that democratic system is actually endorsed in Quran through surah As-Syura and first Caliph get elected through democratic process.

I learn about Abu Bakr, first Caliph get elected through debate and voting is through my father book who bough Abu Bakar Biography written by famous Eqyptian Historian, Muhammad Haikal.

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In Islam, all your live should be for Allah. It is because we dont live to make people admire us, Muslim lives to get Ridho ( acceptance/praise ) from Allah

 

[gambit]

Some people are good with math, some not ? Cant say there is problem with math or not, it depends on your teacher how can he translate and teach you.

No problem with islam, Problem lies with people judging other people and thinking they are gods on the Earth.

In regards to Islam, no issues with it, it came with perfect set of instructions thats Holy Quran, have a perfect role model ( Prophet Muhammad ( Peace.upon.Him))

And in regards to Holy books being hard. SINCE others are not in perfect condition so i can only point out Quran.
You have to understand off course it will be harder for us to understand as its from much more intelligent being then us humans will ever be.





Main thing is really simple
There is no God, But one whats so hard to understand here

Everything you said pretty much proved my point -- that the problem lies with these 'holy books'. You got your interpretations of Islam, the Pope got his interpretations of Christianity, and the list of the world's religions and various interpretations goes on. And just like you, each said the problem lies with someone else, not with his interpretations.

 

[CatSultan]

I say Islamism and you say Islam. Islamism isn't Islam. It is just a political movement in the name of Islam. Not everything in the name of Islam is really Islamic. A man in a woman's dress is still a man, regardless what the dress says.

Mixing politics and religion is often a dangerous move. That is why modern countries call for the separation of church and state. It is not like these two cannot be mixed. It is just very easy to be wrong. Religions call for unwavering faith and blind acceptance. That is because what religions pursuit is beyond human intellect, beyond human life on earth. But politics is everything human and everything earthly. Forcing some ordinary people to do what would be required for a monk is nothing but cruelty, which is against everything taught in Islam.

Islam is more than other religions. Its not just a private thing you do once a day. It is a way of life and it also contains laws for how to run a society. Islamic law doesn't force people to follow Islam. Even now in Muslim countries minorities get their own courts like in Jordan. The problem is when you make a psuedo islamic court like we have in Pakistan and force everyone to follow it.

 

[nang2]

Yup Islamism that you learn from AQ/ISIS/Taliban, better you say AQ/ISIS/Taliban interpretation about Islam, not Islamism.

Yep, Islam is great but it is not easy to understand Islam if you are not raised by knowledgeable father since you are kid, a father who have huge Islamic books. Then there should be discussion between Father and his kids, not giving dogmatic teaching, so the father should hold democratic principle as well, not becoming an authorian father.

Islam is not like Christian, here everything can be understood. As non Muslim I bet you dont know that democratic system is actually endorsed in Quran through surah As-Syura and first Caliph get elected through democratic process.

I learn about Abu Bakr, first Caliph get elected through debate and voting is through my father book who bough Abu Bakar Biography written by famous Eqyptian Historian, Muhammad Haikal.

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In Islam, all your live should be for Allah. It is because we dont live to make people admire us, Muslim lives to get Ridho ( acceptance/praise ) from Allah

It is not just hard to understand. It is nearly impossible. Some say you have to cut your head and step on it in order to know Allah. (Here, head means ego, of course.) Books don't help much, either, because the understanding cannot be passed along with words, only a glimpse of it, which is often wrong. Books only serve as a reminder to keep your hope up. Eventually, you need someone who truly knows Allah to introduce you to Him. Only such a person has the understanding. Even then his understanding is NOT yours. That you have to get it from Allah Himself. That is how difficult religions are. Yet, so many people claim to be experts after reading a few books.

 

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[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Women will have limited education. Maybe primary school level. But will not be allowed high level education.

 

[Indos]

It is not just hard to understand. It is nearly impossible. Some say you have to cut your head and step on it in order to know Allah. (Here, head means ego, of course.) Books don't help much, either, because the understanding cannot be passed along with words, only a glimpse of it, which is often wrong. Books only serve as a reminder to keep your hope up. Eventually, you need someone who truly knows Allah to introduce you to Him. Only such a person has the understanding. Even then his understanding is NOT yours. That you have to get it from Allah Himself. That is how difficult religions are. Yet, so many people claim to be experts after reading a few books.

Yup, heart is important to be a good Muslim. Reading Islamic books are importants since many dont read Islamic book. Even so few Muslim read and understand whole Quran verses, most Muslim dont read whole Quran verses ( meaning ) yet. Non Arab Muslim usually just read some Quran verses and usually they read Quran without understanding about the meaning since they are lazy to read the translation in their own language

Actually Islam is still intact and the best interpreter of Quran is of course the one who understand about Allah and has connection with Him. We also can understand what Allah wants if we read Quran verses ( meaning) until complete.

Islam also has given us insight about who should be followed. One of the trait of them is that they are very careful ( of course unlike some one who dont hesitate to kill another Muslim ) and they like to stay in the middle ( not hold extreme position)

Many teaching in Quran that can make us understand about what Islam is.

 

[Darth Vader]

Everything you said pretty much proved my point -- that the problem lies with these 'holy books'. You got your interpretations of Islam, the Pope got his interpretations of Christianity, and the list of the world's religions and various interpretations goes on. And just like you, each said the problem lies with someone else, not with his interpretations.

If the problem is the interpretation and interpreter? how can it be the problem of Original TEXT or Source?
Quran ( All Holy books ) provided clear guidelines to its follower, it's the people who twisted it for their own benefit, don't blame the text, blame our own Greed, Ignorance, and Pride,