Women Will Have Access To Education And Work, Foreigners Can Leave, Says Taliban After Entering Kabul

[Mrc]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1427408477526188036

 

[Menace2Society]

Why can‘t a woman choose what she wants to wear? You guys have a sick mindset if you agree with that

This strange dynamic in the muslim world, I have figured it.

It is a result of insecurity in men who do not want to see (for them legs and arms is "seeing in that way") what they can't have. So they can't take it they have to see all these beautiful women being themselves but can't have them. So what do they do? They cover them up, makes them feel better. True story.

 

[ziaulislam]

This is honestly surprising

https://www.facebook.com/1277577772356613/posts/4238421002938927

 

[Thorough Pro]

Did you not believe the US government and your military leadership for the last 20 years? Let him believe what he believes and time will be the judge in the days to come.

You guys really believe that?

 

[gambit]

And you like others have the answer.
There is no one but the One.

Proof is right here, from nothing came everything what more evidence we can ask for.

In regards to minutiae details, All muslim still follow the core Christian beliefs that God is one, there is no one beside him Prophet Jesus was his prophet we still follow the original text.

As for taliban in all religions you will find some sort of extreme group.

In last 150 years how many Muslim countries have invaded non Muslim countries and did genocide, its the civilized world who still loots, Kills 3rd world barbarians.

World war 1 40 million deaths
Philippines vs US 250K + Deaths
Ethiopian - Italy war 300k+ Deaths
World war 2 75 mil
Forget about nukes on Japanese cities
WOT is hitting what 2 Mil +
when i look at your more world more problem we will die much much sooner, in the name of democracy

Every major power in history have two things in common: the Arts and STEM. Combined, the two contributed to the overall 'culture'. But for outside observers, the Arts and STEM nearly always stand out.

The Arts is about the intellect, the soul, and the heart of the people. These things are expressed in language, music, paintings, religion, and so on.

Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) are about Nature, as in how the people manipulate Nature for their advantage. For example, sand and rocks are natural, but the brick and concrete are not. To make bricks and concrete requires study and understanding of Nature.

For the Arts, Afghanistan under the Taliban will be associated with blowing up statues.

For STEM, Afghanistan under the Taliban will be associated to rigging up heavy weapons to Toyota trucks.

And that will be it...

 

[Thorough Pro]

Let me guess your PhD in religious studies came from watching Fox news

It is a problem with Islam, the same way that Christianity create problems for its followers. I like IKEA furniture. Simple enough to assemble and use. Nothing 'heirloom' about them but they are just good enough. Too bad these 'holy books' are not as easy to understand as IKEA instructions.

 

[Meengla]

You guys really believe that?

I am cautiously optimistic. As @Indos says above, in the 1990s they were just coming out of Madrassahs and brought a lot of extremism along; they had a Messianic Zeal then! BUT they are also human being, capable of change and 20 years in the wilderness, especially in such a connected, informed world, had to have some moderating affect on them.

Related to this topic, saw a video from within last 24 hours featuring Pakistani journalism Saleem Safi. He is one of those journalists from Pakistan whose opinion about events in Afghanistan are extremely insightful and informed-- HE is the one who should have been consulted by Americans instead of a lot of idiots in London or Washington DC commenting about Afghanistan.

Anyway, here is my understanding of Mr. Safi's key points (some points added per other sources):
1) Taliban have shown mercy and respect even to the Gov. of Kandahar who had killed a lot of Taliban.
2) So far, not enforced beards on men where in the past even the length of the beards were enforced.
3) Women are NOT expected to wear a Burqah--a head-covering would suffice.
4) Women are supposed to be allowed to go to work without a male escort.
5) Education for women through even PhD would be okay but in technical fields (Ex: Lady doctors)
6) Taliban are seeking legitimacy and they are not the same as they were (this was said by a staffer from the UK's Ministry of Defense!)
7) Taliban have not touched the Shia Hazara community so far this time--perhaps as an olive branch to Iran or as genuine change of heart.
8) Internal dialogs from Taliban revealed that they would have even spared General Dostum.

It is too early to say whether how many of these would be actually allowed but I am cautiously optimistic. Also, one thing to note is that beyond Kabul and very few large cities' whose very small more 'liberal' populations, most Afghans are very conservative anyway.

 

[Rollno21]

I am cautiously optimistic. As @Indos says above, in the 1990s they were just coming out of Madrassahs and brought a lot of extremism along; they had a Messianic Zeal then! BUT they are also human being, capable of change and 20 years in the wilderness, especially in such a connected, informed world, had to have some moderating affect on them.

Related to this topic, saw a video from within last 24 hours featuring Pakistani journalism Saleem Safi. He is one of those journalists from Pakistan whose opinion about events in Afghanistan are extremely insightful and informed-- HE is the one who should have been consulted by Americans instead of a lot of idiots in London or Washington DC commenting about Afghanistan.

Anyway, here is my understanding of Mr. Safi's key points (some points added per other sources):
1) Taliban have shown mercy and respect even to the Gov. of Kandahar who had killed a lot of Taliban.
2) So far, not enforced beards on men where in the past even the length of the beards were enforced.
3) Women are NOT expected to wear a Burqah--a head-covering would suffice.
4) Women are supposed to be allowed to go to work without a male escort.
5) Education for women through even PhD would be okay but in technical fields (Ex: Lady doctors)
6) Taliban are seeking legitimacy and they are not the same as they were (this was said by a staffer from the UK's Ministry of Defense!)
7) Taliban have not touched the Shia Hazara community so far this time--perhaps as an olive branch to Iran or as genuine change of heart.
8) Internal dialogs from Taliban revealed that they would have even spared General Dostum.

It is too early to say whether how many of these would be actually allowed but I am cautiously optimistic. Also, one thing to note is that beyond Kabul and very few large cities' whose very small more 'liberal' populations, most Afghans are very conservative anyway.

We need to wait to see the true colours of Taliban, I am not sure as old habits die hard. For example your claim not enforced beards for men.have you seen a single Taliban without beard,atleast I did not ,I will believe when I see one.

 

[Mentee]

That -- the highlighted -- is fine. Which is why I like the Buddhist path the best. Live and let live. Let your life be THE example for others. Do not evangelize but always be ready to answer questions. If I erred with my religion, then I will pay the price. Same for you with your religion, if it turned out the false.

Yes sir, The Lord Himself has spoken

"no compulsion in religion"

coz if there was any He Himself may have made every single soul obedient . Nice talking to you.

 

[Darth Vader]

Every major power in history have two things in common: the Arts and STEM. Combined, the two contributed to the overall 'culture'. But for outside observers, the Arts and STEM nearly always stand out.

The Arts is about the intellect, the soul, and the heart of the people. These things are expressed in language, music, paintings, religion, and so on.

Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) are about Nature, as in how the people manipulate Nature for their advantage. For example, sand and rocks are natural, but the brick and concrete are not. To make bricks and concrete requires study and understanding of Nature.

For the Arts, Afghanistan under the Taliban will be associated with blowing up statues.

For STEM, Afghanistan under the Taliban will be associated to rigging up heavy weapons to Toyota trucks.

And that will be it...

that knowledge of ART & STEM is sponsored by UNCLE Sam
In past 60 all major insurgency, uncle sam was involved it directly or in directly funded these when they served its purpose they became bad people ?

These are the same people who were compared to US forefathers when they were on US side in Washington.

At this stage US, after all the bloods of innocent on UNCLE SAMS hand, doesnt have the right to speak and let others know what they are doing is wrong or right.

Let the world learn from its own mistakes, and uncle sam solve own internal problems

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Why can‘t a woman choose what she wants to wear? You guys have a sick mindset if you agree with that

Yea bro why can't a woman decide what to wear? Why did you ban women from choosing of their own free will to wear the hijab? Why are/were Turbanli kadınlar labeled as being backward and ignorant?

It is truly sick what you lot did in 90s to mid 2000s.

Your mother really failed in teaching proper manners to you. Your language is disgusting. Learn to respect women even if you are fundamentalist.

Ok abicim you can teach us. Open an academy.

Every major power in history have two things in common: the Arts and STEM. Combined, the two contributed to the overall 'culture'. But for outside observers, the Arts and STEM nearly always stand out.

The Arts is about the intellect, the soul, and the heart of the people. These things are expressed in language, music, paintings, religion, and so on.

Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM) are about Nature, as in how the people manipulate Nature for their advantage. For example, sand and rocks are natural, but the brick and concrete are not. To make bricks and concrete requires study and understanding of Nature.

For the Arts, Afghanistan under the Taliban will be associated with blowing up statues.

For STEM, Afghanistan under the Taliban will be associated to rigging up heavy weapons to Toyota trucks.

And that will be it...

You used to say similar things 20 years ago. Belittling Afghans and Taliban. Look where it has lead you.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Never accepting your faults will just keep you in the downward spiral. You are one of the most unpopular countries in the world and regarded as a terrorism and fundamentalism hub, although I am sure there are so many reasonable people in your country which are oppressed by Islam. Religion has eaten up your brain.

That's great to hear but you totally dodged my question bro?

If you really do support freedom of choice why ban women's choice to wear hijab?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

The hijab isn‘t banned currently, I don‘t know what you are talking about. You have a huge rape problem in your country, honor killings, Terrorism, Fundamentalism, Child molestation, poverty, oppression of women, infamous blasphemy law, oppression of minorities and the only you thing you can come up with is, that a symbol of oppression (hijab) was banned? Get a grip ffs.

The hijab was famously banned by Kemalist government/dictators in 1990s Turkey. You keep trying to dodge it without answering. If you really do value all this freedom, liberty and enlightenment why ban women's choice to wear hijab?

About the other stuff you mention as if none of this exists in your sultanate of Turkey. How every Kemalist government oppresses the conservatives and the other side retaliates in Turkey every time a new government comes?

Why Adnan menderes was executed? Why forcibly close masjids? Why forcibly change azan to Turkish? Why forcibly make people wear Fedora or be executed?

If you really love freedom and liberty why do all these things when these things had not even been done by France and China(XinJiang) yet? Why?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Whataboutism at its finest. You are a lost cause and a deeply radical and backward person. I won‘t answer to someone with a steonage mindset like you. But believe me, people like you are the minority in the world. You guys have your own radical version of Islam because you don‘t have another identity. I pity your oppressed women.

Am I doing whataboutism or are you constantly dodging questions?

How is presenting facts from history being backward?

 

[newb3e]

Am I doing whataboutism or are you constantly dodging questions?

How is presenting facts from history being backward?

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