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Will only scrutinise Sharif family's foreign properties, not PM's entire life: SC
By Hasnaat Mailk
Published: November 17, 2016
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ISLAMABAD: The Supreme Court on Thursday observed it will confine Panamagate case hearing to the acquisition of foreign properties by Sharif family and not scrutinise the premier’s entire life.

“We are not going to open the entire life of the PM to scrutinise it as this issue is not before us,” Justice Asif Saeed Khosa remarked.

The observation came after PTI’s legal team headed by Hamid Khan, once again failed to impress a five-judge larger bench headed by Chief Justice Anwar Zaheer Jamali.

During hearing, Hamid Khan read different speeches of the PM but the bench asked him to present solid evidences to establish their stance that the properties were acquired through black money. However, the bench was not satisfied with his contention.

“You have a case but you are doing politics before us”, Justice Azmat Saeed Sheikh told the PTI counsel .

Instead of reading long speeches of the PM, he also asked Hamid Khan to examine each document presented before the court on behalf of the respondents.

“On the basis of PM’s contrary statements on foreign properties, how can we uphpold that London flats were purchased through black money,” the CJ further asked.

Further, Justice Azmat asked the counsel for PTI to present their case through documents submitted by the Sharif family in the court. The CJ also observed that there is no mention in the respondents’ statements regarding the total worth of London flats.

Earlier, Justice Ijazul Ahsan remarked that if the PM has given misstatements or told a lie before the public or floor of the house then he would have faced consequences.

PM Nawaz submitted his reply in the ongoing Panamagate case in which claimed Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf’s proofs against him were baseless.

PTI chief Imran Khan has not produced solid evidences, he told the Supreme Court, adding that all petitions must be dismissed.

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Following PM Nawaz’s submission, Chief Justice Anwar Zaheer Jamali said, “The court wants to conclude the case as early as possible.”

Justice Jamali also observed that they cannot issue a conclusive decision against the premier until there is proof of his alleged corruption. The court adjourned the hearing into the case till November 29.

The premier’s children on Wednesday contended before the SC that documentary evidence presented by the PTI in support of its allegations against them were not substantial and concrete.

As the five-judge larger bench of the apex court – headed by Chief Justice Anwar Zaheer Jamali – is resuming hearing of the Panamagate case, the Sharif family counsel Akram Sheikh submitted an application on behalf of Maryam Nawaz, Hussain Nawaz and Hassan Nawaz.

The application stated that the controversy as raised in the PTI’s petition relates to the allegation that Maryam is the owner of properties bearing Flats No 16, 16A, 17 and17A situated at Avenfield House, Park Lane, London (the properties) and, consequently, seeks disqualification of Premier Sharif and his son-in-law Captain (retd) Safdar from being members of the National Assembly on the ground that the premier has not declared the properties owned by Maryam for purportedly being dependent of him and spouse of Safdar in his tax returns as well as statement of assets and liabilities filed with the Election Commission of Pakistan.

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Sharif’s children said that answering respondents have already submitted their concise statement and supplemental concise statement (contents whereof are reiterated herein and the same may be read as integral part of this application) refuting said allegations.

“In so far as the applications for additional documents are concerned, the same does not contain any substantiated, tangible, concrete, and admissible proof in relation to the aforesaid controversy. Even otherwise, the general allegations made and the documents appended with the Applications for Additional Documents are specifically and vehemently denied for being incorrect, erroneous, misconceived and inadmissible.”
 
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So court has gone back to the same stance. If PTI cannot provide evidences of BLACK MONEY, the purchase of flats will be considered from Halal money, unlike the widely adopted international procedure in money laundering cases that requires accused to bring the proofs of Halal money.
 
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So court has gone back to the same stance. If PTI cannot provide evidences of BLACK MONEY, the purchase of flats will be considered from Halal money, unlike the widely adopted international procedure in money laundering cases that requires accused to bring the proofs of Halal money.
Sharif family has given the source of purchase , trustee documents , company documents etc , It is PTI who made a tall claims about the case , now they should contest the documents presented by Sharif family and should prove it wrong .
 
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Sharif family has given the source of purchase , trustee documents , company documents etc , It is PTI who made a tall claims about the case , now they should contest the documents presented by Sharif family and should prove it wrong .

Bhai, how the documents are contested? By identification of contradictions. When court says that it is not concerned with who bought what and when or any contradictions in the statements on the floor of parliament, and is only concerned with the hardcore original evidence that shows that the black money was earned and transferred, no one other than Allah can bring such evidences,
 
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Bhai, how the documents are contested? By identification of contradictions. When court says that it is not concerned with who bought what and when or any contradictions in the statements on the floor of parliament, and is only concerned with the hardcore original evidence that shows that the black money was earned and transferred, no one other than Allah can bring such evidences,
You seems to be more intelligent than PTI lawyers team... i am serious Bro....
Hamid Khan
Naeem Bukhari
Awan
Waleed Iqbal..
and still....
 
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In case of properties and wealth there is no comparison between Nawaz Sharif and Modi.
Mr Sharif wins by a very huge margin:enjoy:
 
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The issue is; that even every new born in Pakistan knows that the one of the biggest reasons for mess created in Pakistan is corruption; but not a single leader has been convicted of corruption be it; Zardari, BB, Sharif, Dr. Asim, Raja Pervez Ashraf and list goes on and on - so why and how people think that Sharif's will ever be found guilty.

Come on folks - be realistic - it has never happened and will not happen any time sooner as corruption is not only politicians but all institutions including judiciary.

Zardari and Sharif's have same modus operandi - whenever they bribe - they make and keep as much evidence as possible of the kickbacks given - to use those evidences in "trying" times of theirs.
 
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I am not surprised. In fact, i had debate over this topic extensively. Those Imranistan were living in dreamland. At the end, the prosecutors will have to provide concrete evidence regardless of whether the story of defendant checks out or not.

Let me repeat once again. It doesn't matter if people say about PMLN. It only matters what people can prove about PMLN. Unfortunately like Imran Khan, his followers seem to be living in the cuckoo land where the protocol will be based on 'presume guilty until proven innocent' while real world follow the basic protocol 'innocent until proven guilty'.

I have read the thread all kind of information provided by Imranistan and narrative on PMLN, but at the end, they all are speculative at best. They don't count in the real court. Real evidence in form of concrete evidence counts in the real world. The sooner Imranistan steps out of cuckoo land, the better for them in the long run. :D

The issue is; that even every new born in Pakistan knows that the one of the biggest reasons for mess created in Pakistan is corruption; but not a single leader has been convicted of corruption be it; Zardari, BB, Sharif, Dr. Asim, Raja Pervez Ashraf and list goes on and on - so why and how people think that Sharif's will ever be found guilty.

Come on folks - be realistic - it has never happened and will not happen any time sooner as corruption is not only politicians but all institutions including judiciary.

Zardari and Sharif's have same modus operandi - whenever they bribe - they make and keep as much evidence as possible of the kickbacks given - to use those evidences "trying" times of theirs.

Corrupt leaders can be taken to the court. But it has to be based on the evidence.Without evidence, you cannot just presume guilty based on generalization at best.

Many have been caught, but mostly due to their stupidity. Those names you mentioned are smart enough not to leave the trail behind. They can enjoy their freedom for the time being until the appointed time, but at the end, the final court belongs to God. Ultimately, it will be God's call to decide.

Some have been arrested in Canada recently. One political leader was caught in the past. They weren't smart, hence got caught very easily leaving the trail behind which traced back to them eventually. I am sure that corrupt leaders in Pakistan will face their fate one day, and that day they will be accounted.

If not now, then maybe later. But making accusation without evidence? That is outright stupidity. Then again, i am not surprised given the nature of Imran Khan and his lawyer who came unprepared in the court proceeding.

Bhai, how the documents are contested? By identification of contradictions. When court says that it is not concerned with who bought what and when or any contradictions in the statements on the floor of parliament, and is only concerned with the hardcore original evidence that shows that the black money was earned and transferred, no one other than Allah can bring such evidences,

But in the alternate world, it is possible to prove.

For that, a treaty between Pakistan and England is needed where Pakistan can yield its influence over UK partly with the cooperation of UK and vice versa for accountability on certain clients that are suspect on the charge of black money. That's where the game ends for PMLN and everyone who allegedly have black money stashed.
 
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Let's make it even more simple and more focused on Pakistan.

In Pakistan not even a councilor has been convicted of corruption - because mechanisms and systems are corrupted to the core.

Till the time; Pakistan gets a statesman who can build systems to be larger than personalities; there will be known cases of corruption but no convictions. It ain't happening in Pakistan at all - at least not for a couple of more decades.

Suo Moto can be taken on a news item re a Memo but Panama Leak was not worthy of any action by any arm of the state - why? because persons sitting/impacted/controlling those arms were also involved and no body wants own trial when they know how to turn and twist the laws and live happily ever after - forever!

And let me narrate one more real life story;

Once (it dates back to 1990's) in a gathering, a Chief Executive of Pakistan wrote an amount on a piece of silver paper found in a packet of cigarette and handed it over to then nationalized bank - guess what - the beneficiary got the loan amount next day.

You want proof - go and find that "parchi" - no one signs the paper saying this is for bribe.

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Secondly, in countries where systems are functioning - Court can order investigative agency to track based on solid suspicion (leaked news reports have started hundreds of cases) - but then investigative agencies' heads do not go on leisure trips to avoid answering. China must be beautiful these days - if one looks at it from NAB's Chairman's point of view - No?
 
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Let's make it even more simple and more focused on Pakistan.

In Pakistan not even a councilor has been convicted of corruption - because mechanisms and systems are corrupted to the core.

Till the time; Pakistan gets a statesman who can build systems to be larger than personalities; there will be known cases of corruption but no convictions. It ain't happening in Pakistan at all - at least not for a couple of more decades.

Because of lack of evidence? You want the ruling based on emotional rhetoric, not evidence?
 
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Thirdly; there had been a deal between two judges of this bench and beneficiaries of golden goose; and it was even before Nov 1st - 2016.

Quite a common knowledge in circles that are active with what's happening in Pakistan.

But when entire Karachi can be gripped in the wrath of "na-maloom afrad" why not some more Powerful afrad can have na-maloom daulat (wealth)?!?

That is why I say - there is no corruption or lawlessness in Pakistan - I do not know why so much hue and cry on MQM and SSP, AWSJ and PMLN

We are a beautiful country where in Lahore police fires straight bullets and kills its own citizens captured live on TV and we find no evidence on who did it - finding evidence of white collar crime is a Utopian concept - of course :)

Because of lack of evidence? You want the ruling based on emotional rhetoric, not evidence?
I never expected any ruling - what I am saying is; in Pakistan ruling against councilor has not happened so how come against a person who corrupted the entire system - I am a realist not an optimist when it comes to things about Pakistan!
 
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I never expected any ruling - what I am saying is; in Pakistan ruling against councilor has not happened so how come against a person who corrupted the entire system - I am a realist not an optimist when it comes to things about Pakistan!

Would you be okay with the protocol aka 'presume guilty until proven innocent' given many have been wrongly accused in accordance to the blasphemy law since 80s?
 
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Would you be okay with the protocol aka 'presume guilty until proven innocent' given many have been wrongly accused in accordance to the blasphemy law since 80s?

I think I need to spell it out - by councilor I was implying - any one who has even very little power has not been convicted in Pakistan let alone king of corruption likes Zar & Shar aka Zardari & Sharifs.

Going by your logic - since there has been no conviction of killers or looters in Pakistan - then all of this mess must have been created by angels.

You have conveniently failed to understand - how institutionalized corruption works - no wonder everything is so great for haves and quite an opposite state for have-nots in Pakistan.

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On a side note; there was video clipping where guards of daughter of Shahbaz Sharif's beat the daylights out of the bakery cashier and I am not touching on the story of what happened to those guards - what I am inferring here is that a friend of mine defended what Shahbaz's daughter's guards did by saying "we are a ruling elite - we have the power - and that lowlife worker got what he deserved for being lowest social level in the society".
 
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I think I need to spell it out - by councilor I was implying - any one who has even very little power has not been convicted in Pakistan let alone king of corruption likes Zar & Shar aka Zardari & Sharifs.

Going by your logic - since there has been no conviction of killers or looters in Pakistan - then all of this mess must have been created by angels.

You have conveniently failed to understand - how institutionalized corruption works - no wonder everything is so great for haves and quite an opposite state for have-nots in Pakistan.

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On a side note; there was video clipping where guards of daughter of Shahbaz Sharif's beat the daylights out of the bakery cashier and I am not touching on the story of what happened to those guards - what I am inferring here is that a friend of mine defended what Shahbaz's daughter's guards did by saying "we are a ruling elite - we have the power - and that lowlife worker got what he deserved for being lowest social level in the society".

Some have been caught and some haven't. But the court cannot base its ruling on the emotional rhetoric which is the whole point of your. It is not just in Pakistan, it also apply all over the world.

The only reason they are free because of lack of evidence. It is simple. If the evidence is there, their game is over. The court has to be neutral to follow the proceeding of the justice on the popular mechanism that also conforms to the similar justice system in the world too.
 
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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/11...9-decision-proves-Sharifs-own-Park-Lane-flats

This article from " the news" confirms that the Sharif family owned the properties from 1993. PTI lawyers should follow up on the leads present in this article,

1. Get an attested copy of the London Court ruling for the 1999 case in which the courts ordered the Sharif family to pay the debts owned to Al-Tawfiq company.

2. Get the title deeds of the properties which shows the owner, date of registry and the purchase value.
This information can be gathered online from = https://www.gov.uk/search-property-information-land-registry

The above 2 documents will be enough to prove that the Sharif family have owned the properties since 1993 and that they have officially lied to the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
 
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