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C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 DHAKA 000939

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E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/03/2018
TAGS: PTER KDEM BG IN

SUBJECT: PARANOIA TOWARD BANGLADESH THRIVES IN INDIA'S WEST BENGAL

Classified By: A/DCM Gary Mignano. Reasons: 1.4 (b) and (d)

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SUMMARY
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¶1. (C) Paranoia toward Bangladesh and its majority Moslem
population runs high among some of the elite in the
neighboring Indian state of West Bengal, which is
predominantly Hindu. While Bangladesh and West Bengal share a
common language and a rich Bengali culture, some West Bengal
Hindus allege that Bangladesh at least tacitly supports
anti-India terrorism and express alarm that illegal migration
into the state is fundamentally changing its religious
demographics. The intensity of anti-Bangladesh sentiment
among at least a portion of West Bengal's Hindu elite hardly
augers well for improvement in the often tense relationship
between India and Bangladesh. Some of them have had only
limited contact with Bangladeshi officials and
intelligentsia; regional and private-sector driven "Track
Two" approaches to South Asia security may be one way to
remove misunderstandings between the two sides.

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FEAR AND LOATHING IN WEST BENGAL
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¶2. (C) A cigarette lighter shaped as a grenade sits atop the
cluttered desk of D. Mitra, additional director general of
police for railways in the Indian state of West Bengal. It is
an appropriate accessory for an official of incendiary
opinions on the threat posed from neighboring Bangladesh.
During discussion in Kolkata with visiting Dhaka PolOff on
August 27, Mitra listed a lengthy litany of complaints.
India's archrival, Pakistan, he claimed, had taken over
Bangladesh. Pakistan's premier intelligence agency, the
Directorate General of Interservices Intelligence, backed by
Islamic zealots controlled Bangladesh's army and Directorate
General of Forces Intelligence, all of which were working to
make India "bleed from 1,000 cuts." Meanwhile, he said,
illegal immigration from Bangladesh across a porous border
was sharply increasing the Moslem proportion of West Bengal's
population. Ultimately, Hindus would become a minority in the
state because *******, he said, "breed like pigs." Mitra said
he would flee the state before that demographic change
occurred.

¶3. (C) While Mitra's remarks were particularly crude and
outlandish, they reflected anti-Bangladesh and often
anti-Moslem sentiments held by some other members of
Kolkata's elite with whom PolOff met. These included a former
deputy director of India's foreign intelligence body, the
Research and Analysis Wing; two former generals who run the
Center for Eastern and Northeastern Regional Studies think
tank; and Jayanta Kumar Ray, the director of the Maulana Abul
Kalam Azad Institute of Asian Studies, which is affiliatied
with India's Ministry of Culture. Among their allegations
were Bangladesh was a safe haven for Indian terrorists; the
Bangladesh government supported violent Islam; and Bangladesh
was in cahoots with China against India. "Almost nothing can
be done" to improve bilateral relations, said Ray. "The
Bangladesh government has not taken action against hardline
Muslims."

¶4. (C) What these people say matters. They frequently write
op-ed pieces in local media, shaping popular perceptions
against Bangladesh. And in the case of Mitra, his strident
views toward Bangladesh helped sabotage a renewed rail link
between Dhaka and Kolkata that proponents said would boost
ties between the two biggest Bengali cities. "I was opposed
to the link from Day One," said Mitra, who was assistant
director general of police for borders in West Bengal when
the project was initiated. He said it took two years for the
government to meet the security requirements he demanded,
including beefed up border patrols and several imposing
fences, which greatly irritated the Bangladeshis. Although
the service restarted in April with great fanfare after a
43-year hiatus, ridership has been disappointing because
immigration and customs procedures at the border crossing can
take six hours, about four times longer than for buses. "It's
economically not viable," Mitra said with obvious glee,
Still, he said he would be happier if the train did not run
at all.

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IT'S NOT ALL GLOOM AND DOOM
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¶5. (C) For all the railing against Bangladesh, its people
still maintain close ties with West Bengal. Nahida Rahman
Shumona, Counsellor and Head of Chancery at the Deputy High
Commission for Bangladesh in Kolkata, estimated about 30
percent of West Bengalis have roots in Bangladesh and would
like to see their neighbor prosper. Many Bangladeshis come to
Kolkata for medical care and to go shopping in the city's
vibrant markets and name-brand stores. The Deputy High
Commission issues about 250 visas a day for travel to
Bangladesh, most for family visits and tourism but a small
proportion for employment and investors. A common language
ensures that Bangla-language books and movies are enjoyed by
people on both sides of the border. And despite concerns
about Islamist extremists and illegal immigrants entering
West Bengal from Bangladesh, one leader of the Moslem
community in Kolkata said he did not experience religious
discrimination from his Hindu compatriots as a result.
"There's little discrimination between Hindus and *******,"
said Dr. M. Nuruzzaman, chairman of the Minorities Cell of
the All India Trinamool Congress, the leading opposition
party in West Bengal. "I personally do not feel like a second
class citizen."

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COMMENT: SEEKING TRACK TWO AND REGIONAL SOLUTIONS TO MISTRUST
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¶6. (C) The mistrust of some West Bengali Hindus toward
Bangladesh is disturbing and can only harm efforts to improve
the often testy relations between the two countries. The USG
may be able to help diffuse the tension by developing
regional and Track Two, i.e. private, approaches toward
improving security in South Asia. The USG Regional Security
Initiative meeting in New Delhi on August 26 emphasized the
importance of such regional efforts. They could be an
effective vehicle for local officials and opinion-makers from
Indian border states such as West Bengal to meet Bangladeshi
counterparts whom they hardly know. Regular contact between
the two countries' border forces and Home Secretaries suggest
that keeping open lines of communication is essential to
successfully manage the bilateral relationship.
Rollins

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And despite concerns
about Islamist extremists and illegal immigrants entering
West Bengal from Bangladesh, one leader of the Moslem
community in Kolkata said he did not experience religious
discrimination from his Hindu compatriots as a result.
"There's little discrimination between Hindus and *******,"
said Dr. M. Nuruzzaman, chairman of the Minorities Cell of
the All India Trinamool Congress, the leading opposition
party in West Bengal. "I personally do not feel like a second
class citizen."

That is what matters, not what some random DG has said.
 
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That is what matters, not what some random DG has said.

Precisely.

But then it spoils the fun of some who fish for sleaze!

And imagine a GRP is taken to be the last word! :cheesy:
 
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While Mitra's remarks were particularly crude and
outlandish, they reflected anti-Bangladesh and often
anti-Moslem sentiments held by some other members of
Kolkata's elite with whom PolOff met. These included a former
deputy director of India's foreign intelligence body, the
Research and Analysis Wing; two former generals who run the
Center for Eastern and Northeastern Regional Studies think
tank; and Jayanta Kumar Ray, the director of the Maulana Abul
Kalam Azad Institute of Asian Studies, which is affiliatied
with India's Ministry of Culture.
 
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While Mitra's remarks were particularly crude and
outlandish, they reflected anti-Bangladesh and often
anti-Moslem sentiments held by some other members of
Kolkata's elite with whom PolOff met. These included a former
deputy director of India's foreign intelligence body, the
Research and Analysis Wing; two former generals who run the
Center for Eastern and Northeastern Regional Studies think
tank; and Jayanta Kumar Ray, the director of the Maulana Abul
Kalam Azad Institute of Asian Studies, which is affiliatied
with India's Ministry of Culture.

Again Munshi, you forgot to jot down rest of the passage, seems age is catching up with our acclaimed barrister.

Among their allegations
were Bangladesh was a safe haven for Indian terrorists; the
Bangladesh government supported violent Islam; and Bangladesh
was in cahoots with China against India. "Almost nothing can
be done" to improve bilateral relations, said Ray. "The
Bangladesh government has not taken action against hardline
Muslims."


Nothing outlandish or bigoted in above claims considering Khaleds's rule over the land.
 
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lol, how come Munshi in all his honesty, forgot to mention that in the title! ;)

We all know our 'beloved' Munshi.

He is hard at work as any Munshi to 'discover' issue that please his Master!

I don't know what it is now, but in our time, our Naib babus and Munshis were a great help in running our Zamindaris.
 
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what is this demographic war all about? Does it even exist? Or just a conspiracy theory?? If it is really a measurement taken by bnp to increase india's insurgency problem by changing its demography and helping Ulfa, then there must be a strong backer..
 
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what is this demographic war all about? Does it even exist? Or just a conspiracy theory?? If it is really a measurement taken by bnp to increase india's insurgency problem by changing its demography and helping Ulfa, then there must be a strong backer..

Farhan, Its not conspiracy theory, India and Indians don't believe in conspiracy theory. This is the truth that Muslims growth rate is highest, but using non appropriate words like "pig" is not justified. I hope this gentelman will face ire of judiciary for his inappropriate remark.

Demography change is old war tactics used by cristians and Muslims (During crusade and Jihad period) to influence there ideology and monopoly. I can give you many such examples.
1. Israel: By sending refugees to Palestine West changed the demography, which turned to be biggest problem of century.
2. By killing and displacing KPs from Kashmir Muslims changed the demography of J&K.

Population growth and changing demography is serious issue. Its affect the balance of society.
 
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Another random views of some random Railway Police IG which has been " milked,fanned and decorated" into a nice ,lengthy article by a bunch of propagandists . Cultured bengalis are cultured bengalis and they will remain liberal , forward-looking and prospering as they have always been .

Dont blame our cultured groups in Kolkata if they react very sharply , to a bunch of uncivilized , religious bigots and self-appointed protectors of faith. West Bengal is for "bengali culture " to thrive unrestrained.

While we welcome all in our wonderful multicultural society-- Marwaris , Punjabis , ethnic Chinese , Biharis , Gujratis , Keralites , north easterners , Nepalis , Bangladeshis etc It does not mean we should tolerate any fundo nonsense , religious diktats , mullahism , etc

Bangladeshi immigrants from the lower strata have a history of harassing the local populace , burning Indian flags on Independence day , radicalization , religious sloganeering wherever they become a majority.

The choice is very simple --learn to adapt to civilized Bengali culture and to co-exist with all or Get the Hell out of the state .
 
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There are several senior offcials sharing a bigoted opinion about Bangladesh and Muslims and conveyed to an American diplomat. Don't take this so lightly.
 
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There are several senior offcials sharing a bigoted opinion about Bangladesh and Muslims and conveyed to an American diplomat. Don't take this so lightly.

Approx 80 to 85% of the state shares a very negative opinion of Bangladeshis seeing all the problems being caused by immigrants -- no different from how French view the Arabs or How Americans view Pakistanis . And no one takes it lightly , we would rather some really harsh measures were taken to preserve our society.

and dont start on opinions about Muslims , first see what the opinions are about Hindus in Bangladesh. Some examples can be found in this forum itself.
 
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There are several senior offcials sharing a bigoted opinion about Bangladesh and Muslims and conveyed to an American diplomat. Don't take this so lightly.

And these senior "officials" are? If you're going to lie and distort information, do try and make an effort to sound credible.
 
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And these senior "officials" are? If you're going to lie and distort information, do try and make an effort to sound credible.

It is mentioned in the cable!

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Approx 80 to 85% of the state shares a very negative opinion of Bangladeshis seeing all the problems being caused by immigrants -- no different from how French view the Arabs or How Americans view Pakistanis . And no one takes it lightly , we would rather some really harsh measures were taken to preserve our society.

and dont start on opinions about Muslims , first see what the opinions are about Hindus in Bangladesh. Some examples can be found in this forum itself.

The WB Police DG seems to have forgotten that there are 150 million Muslims in India. So they are like pigs?
 
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