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Aw, that's sweet darling, but we ain't the west where women are paraded around streets like some sex objects. Our society works in different manners. Different to that of the west, u should get that through ur thick, ignorant skull. Also how are the natives doing?


This reeks of obsession, with a slightly fishy aroma.
@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @OsmanAli98

Lol.. I don’t think the irony is not lost on anyone who want to live in the 21st century.. While the women folk are locked away every thing is Haram



Like I said.. Hope Imran Khan has the political will and the guts to bring Pakistan in to the modern world with the inclusion of every Pakistani men and women.. If that happens perhaps Pakistan will regain its glory days
 
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Author forgot SEA region have no wars n armed conflicts.

Ample natural resources
 
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Author forgot SEA region have no wars n armed conflicts.

Ample natural resources
I would not say that. Pretty soon you will be having serious conflicts in South China Sea and the region. South East Asian countries do not have the military to even threaten China. They seriously need to beef up their armed forces.
 
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Well no nation can achieve true development potential when nearly half of your working population is kept out of the process, This is where Bangladesh have done so well over Pakistan, Where religious fundamentalism have taken over every sphere of its society and the female population by large have been left in the lurch especially since the late 80’s.

Unless you’re an Arab country with billions of oil money to burn you can buy slave labor from your poorer Muslim brethren or get the best Western professionals to head your industries, You can jolly well keep your women folk hidden away in black sacks and only make use of them for procreation.. Pakistan doesn’t have that oil nor the affordability

Hopefully Imran Khan will have the foresight and the political will to change the status quo, If not I’m afraid Pakistan as a society and as a developing nation will not only loose its gains since independence which were were significant but will regress

Thats because they had failed universal education system, where they had rather large iliterate population and thus exerbate it with rather large growth in population percentage since long time. The accumulation of this condition made their population is vulnerable against conservative and tribal value. Just look at Indonesia and Malaysia although Indonesia and Malaysia had concern of rising concervatism and fundamentalism religious but with adequate universal education systems in both countries made check and balance condition and thus woman empowerment still keep rising and growing at large as many hijab woman still going to offices or factories or became entrepeneur and so on.

Author forgot SEA region have no wars n armed conflicts.

Ample natural resources

Vietnam war and Cambodia conflict just happened in 70 and 80 decade, not to mention large scale rebellion in Philippine and ethnic conflict in Indonesia
 
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we got nothing to do with you, . Stop obsession with Pakistan. Pakistan have already 1.3 billion obsessed pricks in east and few dozen millions in west.

compare yourself with your immediate neighbour Maynamar, Nepal, Bharatt.

Pak was busy fcxking around with war on terror and the money we had we wasted on empty roads instead of supporting export industry.
 
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and the money we had we wasted on empty roads instead of supporting export industry.
That's what I have said here 2 years ago. Do Pakistan's motor vehicle fleet size demand the 6 lane motorways connecting far flung cities? Even United States interstate highways are mostly 4 lane. Highways in low density states like Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana are just 2 lane. This is the case in a country with the largest motor vehicle fleet in the world. China's expressways are also mostly 4 lane. It is clear that, Pakistan's motorways are not demand driven. It was build to entertain the fancy ideas about development of the ruling classes. Worse, it was build by taking large amount of debt.
 
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Thats because they had failed universal education system, where they had rather large iliterate population and thus exerbate it with rather large growth in population percentage since long time. The accumulation of this condition made their population is vulnerable against conservative and tribal value. Just look at Indonesia and Malaysia although Indonesia and Malaysia had concern of rising concervatism and fundamentalism religious but with adequate universal education systems in both countries made check and balance condition and thus woman empowerment still keep rising and growing at large as many hijab woman still going to offices or factories or became entrepeneur and so on.

Exactly, It’s always been the BS score of these brain dead fundamentals that take pot shots of western culture, While they’ll be the first to runaway to the Haram liberal west given the chance

Muslim nations like Malaysia, Indonesia and Turkey even Iran are prime examples of how societies can develop without aping fundamentalist Arabs, inclusive societies develop those holding on to archaic tribal customs regress

I have traveled extensively in South East Asia and I have rarely seen women wearing face veils in public.. ahead scarfs are the norm as elsewhere in the modern world.. Unless they’re tourists from the Middle East
 
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That's what I have said here 2 years ago. Do Pakistan's motor vehicle fleet size demand the 6 lane motorways connecting far flung cities? Even United States interstate highways are mostly 4 lane. Highways in low density states like Nevada, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana are just 2 lane. This is the case in a country with the largest motor vehicle fleet in the world. China's expressways are also mostly 4 lane. It is clear that, Pakistan's motorways are not demand driven. It was build to entertain the fancy ideas about development of the ruling classes. Worse, it was build by taking large amount of debt.

True, We are victims of mismanagement.
 
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Lol.. I don’t think the irony is not lost on anyone who want to live in the 21st century.. While the women folk are locked away every thing is Haram



Like I said.. Hope Imran Khan has the political will and the guts to bring Pakistan in to the modern world with the inclusion of every Pakistani men and women.. If that happens perhaps Pakistan will regain its glory days
Aww muffin, cry me a river
U proved my point on how ignorant you are. I would ashamed to speak if I was you. Go educate yourself and get out of the western bubble you live in.
 
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Tasneem Siddiqui
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The writer is a social scientist.

THERE are several Southeast Asian countries fortunate enough to bring socioeconomic prosperity to their people within a generation. On the other hand, there are countries that, despite decades of high growth rates, are still chasing an elusive ‘take-off’. Pakistan is one of those countries.

In its early years, in spite of major handicaps, we achieved an intermittent growth rate of about six per cent over four decades. As hopes were raised for a better future, even countries like South Korea sought to emulate Pakistan’s planning model. By the end of the Ayub era, however, it became clear that this ‘golden age’ of development not only failed to impact the lives of millions of disadvantaged groups, but also created massive inequalities due to the regime’s discriminatory policies. It was no surprise that, far from a ‘take-off’, this led to the country’s dismemberment.

This article is not about Pakistan’s economic situation. It is about a ‘development surprise’. Recently, Bangladeshi economist Wahiduddin Mahmud predicted that his country is on the verge of becoming the next Asian Tiger. This is the same country that, prior to 1971, Pakistan’s ruling elite felt was dragging economic growth down. Far from mourning its separation, many thought it was good riddance to the ‘bottleneck’ that was holding West Pakistan back. Almost 50 years later, it is interesting to see where Pakistan and Bangladesh stand in terms of economic and human development.

First, the Bangladesh story. It wasn’t easy for a poor country to overcome the trauma of a costly ‘liberation’, and so it faced both political and economic instability. To add, being a deltaic country, it had a history of natural disasters, resulting in famines and persistent poverty. They also shared the same problems our rulers tend to cite to explain lack of performance: military interventions, poor governance, institutional vacuum, corruption and a polarised society. Despite these handicaps, from the 1980s onwards, growth picked up. Initially lackluster, once it was on track there was no stopping it. To the surprise of many, at 7.28pc in FY-2017, its growth rate surpassed even India’s.

There are a few important factors to Bangladesh’s success. Its economic performance has been steady for the last 20 years. When its growth rate first exceeded Pakistan’s in 2008, many analysts treated it as an aberration whereas it was in fact a turning point. Besides GDP growth, the country has made significant progress in its social indicators. Given its level of economic development, it has actually over-performed in social development.

Bangladesh has maintained a 1.1 pc population growth rate — about half of Pakistan’s 2pc — and closed the gender gap in primary and secondary education by the mid-1990s. It has also had much success in child health and preventive measures such as immunisation. These factors have resulted in a rise in average life expectancy, surpassing India’s and Pakistan’s by four and six years respectively.

What is more surprising is that this remarkable progress was not achieved through large public expenditures on mega projects financed through domestic or foreign loans, but instead through mobilising resources at the grass-roots level: micro-financing, and active support of a committed and engaged civil society and intelligentsia. Bangladesh’s early growth came from the readymade garment industry, which not only proved to be a boon for women’s employment, but also their empowerment and inclusion in social development.

Coming back to Pakistan, in spite of early successes and great potential, it’s fair to say that both its economy and human development continue to face problems. As stated earlier, this isn’t a review of the current macro-economic situation, but anyone would admit that, even accounting for perennial structural problems, its growth is neither steady nor stable.

What is most worrying is Pakistan’s dismal performance in the social sector: 25 million children out of school (according to Alif Ailaan); continuing wide gender gap; poor quality of education and health; gaps in routine immunisation; the worst infant mortality rate in the world; rampant malnutrition and stunted growth in 40pc of the children. These issues do not bother either our political leaders or our intelligentsia. They think that a high growth rate for 10 or so years will automatically solve all our problems.

But Bangladesh’s experience has shown that its progress in social outcomes is neither a reflection of economic growth, nor public expenditure-led development. Would it be too much to ask of our planners, policymakers and civil society leaders to look at this ‘development surprise’, and perhaps learn a thing or two from it?

The writer is a social scientist.

saiban_project@yahoo.com

Published in Dawn, June 3rd, 2018

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I present this not to boast about Bangladesh, but to honestly discuss the right approaches to take for success in Pakistan as compared to Bangladesh. The article is starkly truthful and realistic.

Brothers and sisters please refrain from belittling each of our countries by name-calling, this is an honest, open-heart objective discussion.

Yes Bangladesh definitely has problems, just like Pakistan does. Pretending there is no issue won't solve problems in either of our countries. An honest effort is needed to tackle our problems.

Your effort was noble.

But stupidity wins again.
 
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Aww muffin, cry me a river
U proved my point on how ignorant you are. I would ashamed to speak if I was you. Go educate yourself and get out of the western bubble you live in.

He is Sri lankan, what example of western bubble you are giving to him?
 
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Aww muffin, cry me a river
U proved my point on how ignorant you are. I would ashamed to speak if I was you. Go educate yourself and get out of the western bubble you live in.

:woot::woot:

Cute.. Lol.. A post expected when the truth is shoved in to a face of fundamentalist hypocrisy.. Absolute zilch of counter facts :azn:
 
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:woot::woot:

Cute.. Lol.. A post expected when the truth is shoved in to a face of fundamentalist hypocrisy.. Absolute zilch of counter facts :azn:

This guy isnt a fundamentalist.

Dont chalk up his stupid comments to that.
 
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Tasneem Siddiqui
58fd3585e4c5a.jpg

The writer is a social scientist.

THERE are several Southeast Asian countries fortunate enough to bring socioeconomic prosperity to their people within a generation. On the other hand, there are countries that, despite decades of high growth rates, are still chasing an elusive ‘take-off’. Pakistan is one of those countries.

In its early years, in spite of major handicaps, we achieved an intermittent growth rate of about six per cent over four decades. As hopes were raised for a better future, even countries like South Korea sought to emulate Pakistan’s planning model. By the end of the Ayub era, however, it became clear that this ‘golden age’ of development not only failed to impact the lives of millions of disadvantaged groups, but also created massive inequalities due to the regime’s discriminatory policies. It was no surprise that, far from a ‘take-off’, this led to the country’s dismemberment.

This article is not about Pakistan’s economic situation. It is about a ‘development surprise’. Recently, Bangladeshi economist Wahiduddin Mahmud predicted that his country is on the verge of becoming the next Asian Tiger. This is the same country that, prior to 1971, Pakistan’s ruling elite felt was dragging economic growth down. Far from mourning its separation, many thought it was good riddance to the ‘bottleneck’ that was holding West Pakistan back. Almost 50 years later, it is interesting to see where Pakistan and Bangladesh stand in terms of economic and human development.

First, the Bangladesh story. It wasn’t easy for a poor country to overcome the trauma of a costly ‘liberation’, and so it faced both political and economic instability. To add, being a deltaic country, it had a history of natural disasters, resulting in famines and persistent poverty. They also shared the same problems our rulers tend to cite to explain lack of performance: military interventions, poor governance, institutional vacuum, corruption and a polarised society. Despite these handicaps, from the 1980s onwards, growth picked up. Initially lackluster, once it was on track there was no stopping it. To the surprise of many, at 7.28pc in FY-2017, its growth rate surpassed even India’s.

There are a few important factors to Bangladesh’s success. Its economic performance has been steady for the last 20 years. When its growth rate first exceeded Pakistan’s in 2008, many analysts treated it as an aberration whereas it was in fact a turning point. Besides GDP growth, the country has made significant progress in its social indicators. Given its level of economic development, it has actually over-performed in social development.

Bangladesh has maintained a 1.1 pc population growth rate — about half of Pakistan’s 2pc — and closed the gender gap in primary and secondary education by the mid-1990s. It has also had much success in child health and preventive measures such as immunisation. These factors have resulted in a rise in average life expectancy, surpassing India’s and Pakistan’s by four and six years respectively.

What is more surprising is that this remarkable progress was not achieved through large public expenditures on mega projects financed through domestic or foreign loans, but instead through mobilising resources at the grass-roots level: micro-financing, and active support of a committed and engaged civil society and intelligentsia. Bangladesh’s early growth came from the readymade garment industry, which not only proved to be a boon for women’s employment, but also their empowerment and inclusion in social development.

Coming back to Pakistan, in spite of early successes and great potential, it’s fair to say that both its economy and human development continue to face problems. As stated earlier, this isn’t a review of the current macro-economic situation, but anyone would admit that, even accounting for perennial structural problems, its growth is neither steady nor stable.

What is most worrying is Pakistan’s dismal performance in the social sector: 25 million children out of school (according to Alif Ailaan); continuing wide gender gap; poor quality of education and health; gaps in routine immunisation; the worst infant mortality rate in the world; rampant malnutrition and stunted growth in 40pc of the children. These issues do not bother either our political leaders or our intelligentsia. They think that a high growth rate for 10 or so years will automatically solve all our problems.

But Bangladesh’s experience has shown that its progress in social outcomes is neither a reflection of economic growth, nor public expenditure-led development. Would it be too much to ask of our planners, policymakers and civil society leaders to look at this ‘development surprise’, and perhaps learn a thing or two from it?

The writer is a social scientist.

saiban_project@yahoo.com

Published in Dawn, June 3rd, 2018

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I present this not to boast about Bangladesh, but to honestly discuss the right approaches to take for success in Pakistan as compared to Bangladesh. The article is starkly truthful and realistic.

Brothers and sisters please refrain from belittling each of our countries by name-calling, this is an honest, open-heart objective discussion.

Yes Bangladesh definitely has problems, just like Pakistan does. Pretending there is no issue won't solve problems in either of our countries. An honest effort is needed to tackle our problems.





FALSE logic and TOO MANY false pretenses in the OP. The above article fails to adequately analyse WHY Pakistan's economy has been doing really poorly in the last 20 years but fails to mention the WOT, which was imposed on us by the americans. The americans tried to do to Pakistan what they did to the Iraqis and afghans, namely destroy our nation. Although they ultimately failed, it came as a MASSIVE cost to the Pakistan's economy. Even by american estimates, the WOT has cost the Pakistan economy AT LEAST $200 billion since 2001. Not too mention, loses in foreign investments, industrial output etc. However, with the WOT now winding down and the Americans set to reduce their operations in Afghanistan, the future looks bright for the Pakistani economy. If a global economic superpower such as China is confident enough to realize the economic potential of Pakistan & invest in at least $65 billion in it, it bodes well for the economic future of Pakistan. Especially since the Chinese are set to invest further billions in the coming years and decades. Not to mention the world class infrastructure projects happening all over Pakistan thanks to CPEC and other lesser known programs. At the moment, Pakistan is consolidating it's position and building up a world class industrial base via CPEC to flourish in the next 10 years or so. The other good news is that the Chinese are doing huge TOT of advanced weapons systems to Pakistan via CPEC which will enable us to become a competitive arms producer on the world stage. That in itself will greatly boost our economy. Especially since our indigenously produced weapons have recently been seen to be effective against Russian/Western Platforms.

Due to the american imposed WOT on Pakistan (2001-2018), judging our economy and asking why it is not doing well is like asking why the Iraqi, afghan, Syrian, Libyan and Yemeni economies are also not doing well. Yet out of this entire group, Pakistan has emerged the strongest.
 
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Well no nation can achieve true development potential when nearly half of your working population is kept out of the process, This is where Bangladesh have done so well over Pakistan, Where religious fundamentalism have taken over every sphere of its society and the female population by large have been left in the lurch especially since the late 80’s.

Unless you’re an Arab country with billions of oil money to burn you can buy slave labor from your poorer Muslim brethren or get the best Western professionals to head your industries, You can jolly well keep your women folk hidden away in black sacks and only make use of them for procreation.. Pakistan doesn’t have that oil nor the affordability

Hopefully Imran Khan will have the foresight and the political will to change the status quo, If not I’m afraid Pakistan as a society and as a developing nation will not only loose its gains since independence which were were significant but will regress

Well said dude. I do believe they have more talented people than we do. But the problem is their backward mentality. Women empowerment is a must in today's world. And Pakistan and Afghanistan are worst countries for women.
 
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