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Why this anti-ISI propaganda?

EDITORIAL (August 05 2008): Both the Foreign Office spokesman and the ISPR chief have rubbished the NYT report that accuses the Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of masterminding the July-7 bombing of Indian embassy in Kabul - with promptness and anger that this half-baked 'scoop' probably did not deserve.

Given western media's biased coverage of Pakistan's national attributes, ranging from its ideological basis to its nuclear status, the NYT report is nothing but an ante to keep Islamabad in line in matters that essentially promote its rivals' objectives. Such subversive accounts always pop up if Pakistan is seen to be making diplomatic gains in relations with other countries.

But, sometimes, they shifting the focus from the real to the mirage. Not unexpectedly, therefore, at the time the ISI is being pilloried by the US media, Pakistan's so-called partners in the 'war on terror' are falling over each other in the rush to sanctify the illegal and immoral co-operation India is going to get from the Western countries in the name of helping its civilian nuclear programme.

Who doesn't know it is being done in clear violation of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. Perhaps, there is also this rising criticism of the US-led coalition forces' failure to control and snuff out the Taliban militancy in Afghanistan, for which the ISI has been found as a scapegoat.

To insist that Pakistan is an unwilling partner in the war on terror is too naïve an assertion to sell in Pakistan. If Islamabad had decided not to be a partner it could well do it. After all, Pakistan had turned down American pleadings to send forces to Iraq; signed up the gas pipeline project with Iran despite Washington's loud protestations; and rejected President Clinton's intense pressure not to conduct the tit-for-tat nuclear tests.

The fact is that the 9/11 attacks in American causing huge loss of innocent lives had saddened every Pakistani. Such an act of wanton mayhem generated deep revulsion among the people here who had lost whatever sympathy they had for the al Qaeda and their supporters. This is also a fact that the Mullah Omar regime in Afghanistan did not have very comfortable relations with the Pakistan government as both nurtured mutual suspicions.

That Pakistan lost over a thousand soldiers in its battles with the Taliban in the tribal areas and suffered a series of suicide-bombing attacks should be blown off the palm just because of an ambiguous conversation on phone, it is not acceptable. Very conveniently, anonymous sources leak information to newspapers suspecting the sincerity of an ally who has paid more in terms of damage to its internal security, economic setbacks, and military and civilian losses than all the US-led coalition partners put together.

The fact is there is no conclusive proof of the ISI's alleged involvement in the Indian embassy blast. If Indian and Afghan intelligence agencies are bent upon maligning Pakistan, that is an old game. It is time that the newly elected coalition government should conduct a comprehensive review of its policy to continue to be a thankless ally of the West in Afghanistan.

If in seven years the world's greatest military alliance, Nato, has not been able to secure even the capital city of Afghanistan, then it is definitely not a handful of terrorists they are fighting against. The fact is that the US-led coalition is pitted against a whole nation who has a history of standing up to the invaders and never surrendering.

If the coalition governments think they want to improve the quality of life of Afghans, who supposedly suffered oppression of medieval times under the Taliban government, then why nothing is being done to rescue them from their biggest bane - the scourge of opium production. If the mission was to establish democracy in Afghanistan then is it the one under Karazi and his warlords that the coalition had envisaged?

There was this great realist American, Alan Greenspan, who in his life-long distilled wisdom found "For Oil" as the only motivation behind the US invasion of Iraq. One would not be widely of the mark to say that in Afghanistan it's not the Taliban but the need for a "central base" to control fossil fuels of Central Asia that has brought there the Nato forces.

The review suggested above should look into the emerging reality of the situation particularly the growing Indian political and diplomatic presence in Afghanistan and then, if warranted, reframe its response irrespective of what the NYT writes. Like all intelligence agencies the ISI forms Pakistan's first line of defence. The knowledge that attempts are being made to break it up does remind us of the impending dangers to our national survival.

Business Recorder [Pakistan's First Financial Daily]
 
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why in this article america is missed?

The fact is there is no conclusive proof of the ISI's alleged involvement in the Indian embassy blast. If Indian and Afghan intelligence agencies are bent upon maligning Pakistan, that is an old game.

Not included CIA also.
 
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The timing of the articles (based on interviews with US administration and CIA officials) points to a deliberate campaign to pressurize Pakistan into implementing US demands.

I believe the "US blamed for ignoring terrorism in Pakistan' article explains a lot of the issues from the Pakistani perspective quite clearly, as does the denial of Jalaluddin Haqqani that Pakistan has anything to do with supporting him.
 
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Excerpts from an opinion piece by Shireen Mazari:

"As for weakening the existing strong state institutions, the case of the ISI is the most blatant one, although the army has been targeted also – despite the delinkage between the presidency and the military. Of course, the ISI has its share of negatives but if the rulers – one cannot use the word government here because one of the main rulers is outside of the government – really wanted to rectify the aberrations within this institution, they would have simply delinked the Internal Wing, which has been used by so many for internal political machinations. Instead, by seeking to put it under the Interior unelected adviser, more political fangs were being sought and, undoubtedly, as is happening elsewhere, the organisation would have been packed with "loyalists". Worse still, by now creating ambiguity of where the civilian control of the ISI rests – since the old order has not been formally rescinded – uncertainty is being created which will impact the external functioning of the ISI while its controversial internal functions will increase rather than abate. Interestingly, it should be recalled that Rehman Malik and his UK-based security setup had close links with British intelligence.

Why target the ISI at this time and in this particular fashion? Clearly, this is a well-planned campaign being conducted in collusion with the US and India, with Karzai offering ground support. The US has strong reasons for targeting the military in general and the ISI in particular since it has been evident for some time that they were not falling in line with US demands and policy imperatives. That the CIA and ISI worked together since the first Afghan venture is now history. It would appear that the CIA wanted to continue in that fashion but some of its policies were threatening Pakistan directly such as seeking to stir up trouble in the settled areas of Pukhtunkhwa province. A look at the Serena Hotel, Swat's guest book for the last two years will reveal interesting information especially regarding the Americans who visited there dressed as locals, speaking Pushto (a point that had been made in an earlier column), and were in touch with Fazlullah. According to official sources, militants in Swat even today are getting foreign funding and, even though foreign militants were eliminated during the first phase of the military operation in Swat, there is again a presence of foreign militants in the area.

It would seem the ISI was finally uncomfortable with some of the CIA goings on in Pakistan and was also up in arms against the new US ally in the region, India, so it had to be pilloried and undermined. Also, the increasing evidence that the US is using the Shamsi base against Iran, a friendly neighbour with whom we have no quarrel or conflict, could not be ignored. The ISI was also seeking to make more public the Indian ingresses into Balochistan and FATA and the continuing acceptance by the US and Karzai of terrorist groups operating in Balochistan from Kabul. So, all in all, the time was considered right to target the ISI – especially given the assumption that internally also some would welcome this given the disinformation and political history of this organisation. Of course, the fact that the ISI has a critical external role was not a concern for the rulers – in fact, that is the role that they along with the US were seeking to undermine in any case.

Perhaps it is time for the real US agenda within Pakistan to be revealed, especially their efforts to aid and abet extremism and militancy; and here the first and second prongs of their strategy coincide. We seem to have forgotten that the US first turned against the Taliban only when they rejected the UNOCAL oil deal in 1998, so if the ISI is guilty of having links with Taliban remnants, so is the CIA. Only the ISI won't play ball with the CIA anymore and that is not acceptable to the US!"


http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=128449
 
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Musharraf's presence as President, and his powers to dismiss the government, attains even more importance given the latest developments and the falling out between the US defense establishment and the ISI.

Musharraf was 'their man', but he has come out strongly in support of the ISI and stepped up the rhetoric against foreign involvement in Baluchistan. So what implications does that hold for the US?

If the attempt to shift ISI control to the unelected Interior Minister was in fact done at the behest of the US, then Musharraf is now a liability in his opposition, while Zardari and his British Intelligence contact (how can a man with those links hold any important office in Pakistan, or any country for that matter?) are the 'allies'.

This would indicate that efforts to remove Musharraf will accelerate, and are the just concluded talks between Zardari and NS a step in that direction?

What if Musharraf acts and dismisses the government before he himself is impeached?

The PPP has said that the masses will overwhelmingly reject pro-Musharraf parties again, but the latest polls also indicate that the PPP will lose out to the more conservative PML-N, possibly quite heavily. A PML-N led government will not be easy for the US to deal with.

This governments mismanagement of almost everything, and the impressions of policies being dictated by an unelected Zardari, will doom the party.

Zardari caught between a rock and a hard place.
 
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Ask Blain2

The greatest Pakistani this side of Suez!

There is a move to impeach Musharraf. Check foreign news channels!

Blain2 would love going into the medieval times!

He has warned me of a ban!
 
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What if Musharraf acts and dismisses the government before he himself is impeached?
Zardari's govt. is only distributing money among party activists, we lost 10$billion in three months and his activities also had been very unpatriotic, his anti Pakistan statements are also on the record.
Any stupid move will be an open invitation for dissolution of assemblies, specially in senario when present coalition govt. has become utterly unpopular.
Any way, moving back to ISI Jin.

Targeting ISI

By S.M. Hali
Pakistan's premier intelligence agency Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI is currently in the eye of an international storm. It is being alleged that the service is abetting and aiding the Taliban in their operations against NATO and allied forces in Afghanistan. As soon as the international war against terror in Afghanistan started going awry, in a bid to find scapegoats, a whispering campaign against Pakistan's security agencies in general and the ISI in particular started.

As the going in Afghanistan got tougher, the whispering started becoming louder, with newspaper reports, Op-Eds suggesting the same becoming more frequent. Complications in operations, rising war casualties and frayed nerves gave rise to RAND Corporation reports and Pentagon analyses that "rogue elements" in ISI were leaking information of impending attacks to the Taliban, allowing them to take evasive action.

ISI, which was established in 1948, has been through trials and tribulations before but has never faced the kind of open international hostility it now encounters. It has seen a sixty years' rise in glory and achievements. Its crowning moment came in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when with the technical and financial assistance of CIA, it managed to launch the Afghan mujahideen to force the Soviets to retreat from Afghanistan and ultimately result in the break-up of the erstwhile superpower.

ISI has been the envy of other intelligence agencies in the region especially RAW. India has been specially wary of ISI and has left no stone unturned in besmirching its good name and blaming it for all its woes. The indigenous freedom movement in Held Kashmir to various insurgencies in Assam, Bodoland, Gorkhaland, Mizoland, Nagaland, Punjab, and Tamil Nado, have all been blamed upon ISI. It has also been engaged in a long drawn campaign to ruin ISI's reputation in the eyes of the west, more explicitly Britain and USA. Each time a dignitary from either western power has visited India during the last decade and a half, there have been "coincidental" terrorist attacks and the blame laid squarely on ISI.

In October 2006, a British Ministry of Defence research paper that accused ISI of indirectly helping Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, being responsible for the 7/7 London bombings and recommending that ISI should be dismantled was leaked on the eve of the President Musharraf's arrival in London. Hardly had President Musharraf landed in Pakistan after his marathon trip to Belgium, Cuba, USA and UK that he was greeted with yet another allegation on ISI. To rub salt in the wound, Mumbai's police chief, A N Roy came out with his own conclusion of the investigations into July 11 bomb attacks in Mumbai, alleging that the attacks were planned by the ISI and carried out by the Islamist militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, based in Pakistan.

9/11 changed India's fortunes. It found a great opportunity to surround and destabilise Pakistan through RAW operatives in its numerous consulates and trade missions in Afghanistan with the help of its Afghan surrogates. There has been ample evidence that RAW has been fomenting trouble in Balochistan as well fanning mischief in FATA and the tribal belt but blaming ISI for the predicament.

Thus the whispering campaign, which when found inadequate, led to the extreme measure of the attack on the Indian Chancery in Kabul and pinning the blame on ISI. Pakistan's rejection of the accusation led to similar attacks in Indian cities of Ahmadabad and Bangalore followed by an attack on Pakistan's mission in Herat with ISI being named as the culprit in each. To add insult to injury, damning evidence was produced in the shape of "intercepted telecommunication messages" between ISI and the miscreants "responsible" for the attack.

Exasperated by its own failures in Afghanistan, a gullible USA and CIA has been roped in to believe the Indian propaganda. Unfortunately, our own government cast the first stone, when acting in haste, on the eve of the PM's arrival at White House; it chose to issue a notification in the dead of the night that the IB and ISI have been placed under the Interior Ministry. The ill-advised and un-parliamentary decision caused a furore and had to be withdrawn equally hastily.

The government must avoid ISI being targeted by its detractors. In case it perceives the need for reforms in its premier intelligence agency, it can appoint a commission to recommend measures like the one assigned by Z.A. Bhutto under the chairmanship of Air Chief Marshal Zulfikar Ali Khan. ISI is a weapon in the hands of the government and its appropriate utilisation rests upon its wisdom, the institution should not be destroyed at the behest of its adversary.
 
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Is it all just propaganda Neo? What do you think?

I have written this before and will do so again. There is a dirty campaign ongoing out there in which we are both being used as pawns. Obviously , there are vested interests on both sides that for their own gain will undertake this dirty work, for the powers that be.
I think it is highly likely that an earlier planted information has resulted in a tit for tat action and the action in Kabul as well as Indian support for insurgents in Swat and Baluchistan are most likely links in this dirty game.
I cant think of a way in which action to harm Pakistan will eventually benefit India in the long run. Our interests and perhaps survival is also tied to each others existance as a national unit. The sooner we start realizing this the better.
Araz
 
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Ask Blain2

The greatest Pakistani this side of Suez!

There is a move to impeach Musharraf. Check foreign news channels!

Blain2 would love going into the medieval times!

He has warned me of a ban!

Sir Salim
You dont get banned because of Blain , or anybody else. You get banned for not following forum rules , or indulging in unnecessary argument and mud slinging. Please dont blame others for your own deeds
Araz
 
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Is it all just propaganda Neo? What do you think?

Honestly I don't know, media loves conspiracy theories since they sell well.
ISI is a powerful state within a state and she's made of patriotic brave men who'll do anything to protect motherland, specially when she's run by crooks like Zardari, Nawaz and co. She'll never compromise our integrity.

I see current anti-ISI compaign as an attempt by US to get leverage over an instable, weak, impotent and possibly corrupt leadership in Pakistan. Equally important is to use ISI as scape goat for the failure of US/Nato led coalition in Afghanistan.

ISI is considered to be loyal to Musharraf, another reason for civil parties to use the western led anti-ISI compaign to remove Musharraf from power.
 
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Anybody who reads through the ISI fanboy section on this forum is bound to believe that ISI is a state within a state.

ISI's exageration has cxaused more damage to its own credibility than any other external factor.
 
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Anybody who reads through the ISI fanboy section on this forum is bound to believe that ISI is a state within a state.

ISI's exageration has cxaused more damage to its own credibility than any other external factor.

What has the ISI exaggerated?
 
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Honestly I don't know, media loves conspiracy theories since they sell well.
ISI is a powerful state within a state and she's made of patriotic brave men who'll do anything to protect motherland, specially when she's run by crooks like Zardari, Nawaz and co. She'll never compromise our integrity.

I see current anti-ISI compaign as an attempt by US to get leverage over an instable, weak, impotent and possibly corrupt leadership in Pakistan. Equally important is to use ISI as scape goat for the failure of US/Nato led coalition in Afghanistan.

ISI is considered to be loyal to Musharraf, another reason for civil parties to use the western led anti-ISI compaign to remove Musharraf from power.

Well sir, does this means that who so ever is not inside ISI is crooked, does not love mother land?
 
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