Why the Syrian war never was a civil war and how Russia has been an annoyance to the OPPOSITION

[Titanium100]

The war in Syria never was a civil war and it may have started as such but that is not the case atleast since 2015.

What started as an popular civilian uprising ended up becoming a full blown war with Russia's full involvement on the ground. The civilian uprising figures didnt sign up to take on Russia as they are not from there altogether and if they knew Russia would get involved to this degrade the uprising would have been postponed.

The question to be asked is what is at stake for Russia to get involved to this degrade in a civil war between local people that are not from Russia? Is there any Oil, wealth or anything Assad can offer the Russians? the answer is simple he has nothing to offer them in return? Some military ports here and there is nothing important at all. Assad was nearly defeated by the rebels when they entered the war and put in alot of work into the war itself.

So why is Russia fighting in this war? Is the question I have been asking myself but I quite didn't get any satisfactory answer?

One way to look at it is from the orthodox church point of view? But even from the Orthodox POV it dosen't make any sense. In order to wage holy war from the Orthodox point of view it has to be in the holy land? Syria is not in the Holy land. You have to go to Palestine or Israel in order to do that but just not Syria. Fighting a resistance group inside an irrelevant country which has zero outcome for the world is an irrelevant cause which raises alot of questions.

So since we now know that Russia has simply nothing at stake in the Syrian war and especially to commit to this war in such degrade is suspicious.

1. No Oil because all the major fields are with the Americans

2. The country is poor to the degrade that the Russians themselves send relief aide to the syrian gov't from time to time. SO there is no wealth to come after nor minerals.

3. No gas as most major gas-fields are with the Americans and even if they do take them sometime in the future it won't be much to warrant such an involvement to this degrade.

4. The Russians themselves have used alot of money on Syria instead which is the opposite they are not getting anything in return but giving everything. It dosen't make sense from a Russian point of view.

Since we all know now that Russia has nothing at stake and even Trump asked Erdogan what dose Putin want with Idlib? Erdogan said there is little oil in Qamshilo not even in Idlib and he said not much as you have in east Syria.

The Rebels could have finished off Assad long time ago and can still do if Russia withdraws tomorrow The iranians couldn't prevent his demise first time and won't be able to do so in a second wave. If Russia were to withdraw completely.

The only annoyance and set-back militarily to the Rebels was Russia and the only one that stood infront of Erdogan's offense against Syria was also once again the Russians.

The only way going forward politically is to offer Russia something somewhere else alltogether in order to get them out of the country softly politically and economically were they sign a MOU to not support Assad and that he would have to fend for himself. Making them leave satisfied with whatever deal they have gotten (CASH or petro-deal) For they don't have much at stake here to be fairly honest currently

 

[vi-va]

The war in Syria never was a civil war and it may have started as such but that is not the case atleast since 2015.

What started as an popular civilian uprising ended up becoming a full blown war with Russia's full involvement on the ground. The civilian uprising figures didnt sign up to take on Russia as they are not from there altogether and if they knew Russia would get involved to this degrade the uprising would have been postponed.

The question to be asked is what is at stake for Russia to get involved to this degrade in a civil war between local people that are not from Russia? Is there any Oil, wealth or anything Assad can offer the Russians? the answer is simple he has nothing to offer them in return? Some military ports here and there is nothing important at all. Assad was nearly defeated by the rebels when they entered the war and put in alot of work into the war itself.

So why is Russia fighting in this war? Is the question I have been asking myself but I quite didn't get any satisfactory answer?

One why to look at it is from the orthodox church point of view? But even from the Orthodox POV it dosen't make any sense. In order to wage holy war from the Orthodox point of view it has to be in the holy land? Syria is not in the Holy land. You have to go to Palestine or Israel in order to do that but just not Syria. Fighting a resistance group inside an irrelevant country which has zero outcome for the world is an irrelevant cause which raises alot of questions.

So since we now know that Russia has simply nothing at stake in the Syrian war and especially to commit to this war in such degrade is suspicious.

1. No Oil because all the major fields are with the Americans

2. The country is poor to the degrade that the Russians themselves send relief aide to the syrian gov't from time to time. SO there is no wealth to come after nor minerals.

3. No gas as most major gas-fields are with the Americans and even if they do take them sometime in the future it won't be much to warrant such an involvement to this degrade.

4. The Russians themselves have used alot of money on Syria instead which is the opposite they are not getting anything in return but giving everything. It dosen't make sense from a Russian point of view.

Since we all know now that Russia has nothing at stake and even Trump asked Erdogan what dose Putin want with Idlib? Erdogan said there is little oil in Qamshilo not even in Idlib and he said not much as you have in east Syria.

The Rebels could have finished off Assad long time ago and can still do if Russia withdraws tomorrow The iranians couldn't prevent his demise first time and won't be able to do so in a second wave. If Russia were to withdraw completely.

The only annoyance and set-back militarily to the Rebels was Russia and the only one that stood infront of Erdogan's offense against Syria was also once again the Russians.

The only way going forward politically is to offer Russia something somewhere else alltogether in order to get them out of the country softly politically and economically were they sign a MOU to not support Assad and that he would have to fend for himself. Making them leave satisfied with whatever deal they have gotten (CASH or petro-deal) For they don't have much at stake here to be fairly honest currently

This is pure propaganda. You think Russian are stupid? or You think Putin is dumb?

Everyone here knew Syria is gas pipeline to Mediterranean, and a strategic position to connect Europe, ME and Africa. Just like Israel does.

It's has nothing to do with wealth, nor oil/gas field. Russia has more gas than anyone else. It's about control of the gas pipeline.

There is much bigger strategy, which I don't need to explain, militarily and geopolitically.

 

[Titanium100]

This is pure propaganda. You think Russian are stupid? or You think Putin is dumb?

Everyone here knew Syria is gas pipeline to Mediterranean, and a strategic position to connect Europe, ME and Africa. Just like Israel does.

It's has nothing to do with wealth, nor oil/gas field. Russia has more gas than anyone else. It's about control of the gas pipeline.

There is much bigger strategy, which I don't need to explain, militarily and geopolitically.

The dream of the pipeline has died years ago. Instead they are going around with another pipeline hence Syria is not needed. We already have the Turkstream and there will be another one connected with Israel to Turkstream and another one via Iraq to Kuwait and Qatar. Not Syria! That plan has been abandoned. Nobody is gonna build that one it will always become a victim and blown no matter who wins the war no sane company or gov't backed company would waste that money.

Much bigger strategy? Okay! Englighten me and if you don't have anything better stay silent

 

[vi-va]

The dream of the pipeline has died years ago. Instead they are going around with another pipeline hence Syria is not needed. We already have the Turkstream and there will be another one connected with Israel to Turkstream and another one via Iraq to Kuwait and Qatar. Not Syria! That plan has been abandoned. Nobody is gonna build that one it will always become a victim and blown no matter who wins the war no sane company or gov't backed company would waste that money.

Much bigger strategy? Okay! Englighten me and if you don't have anything better stay silent

You don't get it. A pipeline from Qatar to Syria is an alternative for European countries. I am not saying that's the only way to Europe.

No countries like to dependent on a pipeline, they all want to diversify.

A Syria puppet regime which planned to be installed by US serves the interest of Israel national security. Everyone knew it. Hezbollah will be fully blocked, Iran influence will be wiped out from Syria.

Don't try to fool others here. You need better propaganda. Try harder.

 

[Titanium100]

You don't get it. A pipeline from Qatar to Syria is an alternative for European countries. I am not saying that's the only way to Europe.

No countries like to dependent on a pipeline, they all want to diversify.

A Syria puppet regime which planned to be installed by US serves the interest of Israel national security. Everyone knew it. Hezbollah will be fully blocked, Iran influence will be wiped out from Syria.

Don't try to fool others here. You need better propaganda. Try harder.

I don't understand what propaganda you are on about? This is not an article just a thread.

The US control Iraq currently and Allies with Turkey, Jordan, Israel etc etc. The pipeline can go through anywhere and that whole idea was nothing more than a Hoax. Which leads us to the same conclusion they have nothing at stake.

You can look at from any point of view you like. They have really nothing at stake. I was one of the few people who said Russia should have exited as soon as the Americans got first to East of the Euphrates. I remember them racing towards it but all in all that is not important now.

the grand scheme of things is that nothing is at stake of valuable in Syria for them

 

[vi-va]

I don't understand what propaganda you are on about? This is not an article just a thread.

The US control Iraq and Allies with Turkey, Jordan, Israel etc etc. The pipeline can go through anywhere and that whole idea was nothing more than a hoax. Which leads us to the same conclusion they have nothing at stake

Come on. A pipeline through Turkey will give Turkey a bargaining chip, as well as road toll.

Turkey is a regional major power, not a puppet state. If I am a decision maker, I would prefer to install a pipeline through a puppet, a weak country, and sign a toll free contract for 99 years.

That's why "ASSAD MUST GO". Try harder.

 

[Titanium100]

Come on. A pipeline through Turkey will give Turkey a bargaining chip, as well as road toll.

Turkey is a regional major power, not a puppet state. If I am a decision maker, I would prefer to install a pipeline through a puppet, a weak country, and sign a toll free contract for 99 years.

That's why "ASSAD MUST GO". Try harder.

Don't you think they can do it from Qatar-Kuwait-Iraq-Turkey? or Qatar-Saudi-Jordan-Isreal-Cyprus-Greece.

You gotta admit it was Hoax and if they wanted it badly they could have got rid of Assad themselves quite easily the Americans would have put boots on the ground finishing Assad of in couple of months max. Syria didn't really matter thats why and the whole pipeline thing thru Syria was Hoax.

However there is Oil in Golan Heights. Thats something alot of people didn't know.

Israel silently annexed Golan heights.

Some reports back in 2015 suggested that it was perhaps the biggest oil find ever. This is being kept under the radar.
https://mjaa.org/huge-oil-discovery-on-the-golan-heights/

 

[vi-va]

Don't you think they can do it from Qatar-Kuwait-Iraq-Turkey? or Qatar-Saudi-Jordan-Isreal-Cyprus-Greece.

You gotta admit it was Hoax and if they wanted it badly they could have got rid of Assad themselves quite easily the Americans would have put boots on the ground finishing Assad of in couple of months max. Syria didn't really matter thats why and the whole pipeline thing thru Syria was Hoax.

However there is Oil in Golan Heights. Thats something alot of people didn't know.

Israel silently annexed Golan heights.

Some reports back in 2015 suggested that it was perhaps the biggest oil find ever. This is being kept under the radar.
https://mjaa.org/huge-oil-discovery-on-the-golan-heights/

You are so funny. Diversifying pipeline is all about European interest, not US interest. That's big difference. Why Americans solders risk their lives and a war with Russia directly for European?

US has more gas than needed, they don't need to diversifying the gas supply. In the opposite, US want to control the oil and gas, so that European will keep being vassals, just like today.

European want the pipeline, US/Israel want to block Hezbollah and wipe out Russia/Iran influence. They have different purpose, but European countries dare not to challenge Russia directly with military, they are incapable.

Btw, US is no dumb, they don't want a war neither. They just miscalculated Syria ASSAD regime and Russia/Iran support. Obama thought rebels and ISIS will do the dirty job, but failed.

 

[Titanium100]

You are so funny. Diversifying pipeline is all about European interest, not US interest. That's big difference. Why Americans solders risk their lives and a war with Russia directly for European?

US has more gas than needed, they don't need to diversifying the gas supply. In the opposite, US want to control the oil and gas, so that European will keep being vassals, just like today.

European want the pipeline, US/Israel want to block Hezbollah and wipe out Russia/Iran influence. They have different purpose, but European countries dare not to challenge Russia directly with military, they are incapable.

Btw, US is no dumb, they don't want a war neither. They just miscalculated Syria ASSAD regime and Russia/Iran support. Obama thought rebels and ISIS will do the dirty job, but failed.

The US-EU is an unbreakable bond. The West Europeans will always follow the Americans like a kitten follows her mom. They may seem confident when they make EU statements but their policies is aligned with the US period I am EU citizen myself we have completely stole out to the US and I don't see this ever changing. The US dosen't care for where they get oil from because they know they are loyal no matter what. If the pipeline was not Hoax the US would have done the job and taken comission for it but that was not the case. The EU can still do their pipeline bypassing Syria if it was important not really which leads us to the same conclusion again.

They really didn't care much to get rid of Assad thats the truth if otherwise they would have but they just never really cared that much. Hezbullah is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

 

[vi-va]

The US-EU is an unbreakable bond. The West Europeans will always follow the Americans like a kitten follows her mom. They may seem confident when they make EU statements but their policies is aligned with the US period I am EU citizen myself we have completely stole out to the US and I don't see this ever changing. The US dosen't care for where they get oil from because they know they are loyal no matter what. If the pipeline was not Hoax the US would have done the job and taken comission for it but that was not the case. The EU can still do their pipeline bypassing Syria if it was important not really which leads us to the same conclusion again.

They really didn't care much to get rid of Assad thats the truth if otherwise they would have but they just never really cared that much. Hezbullah is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

You have mindset of kitten, don't count other Europeans. No one like to be kitten. It's insulting all Europeans.

 

[Titanium100]

You have mindset of kitten, don't count other Europeans. No one like to be kitten. It's insulting all Europeans.

It's just the truth. I am European myself. The Americans are viewed like a big brother and followed everywhere thats the truth. US policy slush EU policy. Same thing.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

I don't understand what propaganda you are on about? This is not an article just a thread.

The US control Iraq currently and Allies with Turkey, Jordan, Israel etc etc. The pipeline can go through anywhere and that whole idea was nothing more than a Hoax. Which leads us to the same conclusion they have nothing at stake.

You can look at from any point of view you like. They have really nothing at stake. I was one of the few people who said Russia should have exited as soon as the Americans got first to East of the Euphrates. I remember them racing towards it but all in all that is not important now.

the grand scheme of things is that nothing is at stake of valuable in Syria for them

Iraq is under Iranian influence and will not listen to USA or EU. So, pipeline via Iraq is not an option.

Israel is the only country through which a pipeline can be passed to bypass Syria. But Muslims will never accept such a proposition to deal with Israel directly as that will make them lose legitimacy and will be like handing over Israel to jews permanently. Most Muslim countries don't recognize Israel at all. So, Israel pipeline is not an option.

The pipeline is for stopping gas to Europe to bypass Russia. And only other source of gas for EU is Qatar or Iran. But Iran is hostile and hence Qatar is the only option. But the supply requires land to pass the pipeline and hence we have "ASSAD MUST GO" campaign.

Don't you think they can do it from Qatar-Kuwait-Iraq-Turkey? or Qatar-Saudi-Jordan-Isreal-Cyprus-Greece.

You gotta admit it was Hoax and if they wanted it badly they could have got rid of Assad themselves quite easily the Americans would have put boots on the ground finishing Assad of in couple of months max. Syria didn't really matter thats why and the whole pipeline thing thru Syria was Hoax.

However there is Oil in Golan Heights. Thats something alot of people didn't know.

Israel silently annexed Golan heights.

Some reports back in 2015 suggested that it was perhaps the biggest oil find ever. This is being kept under the radar.
https://mjaa.org/huge-oil-discovery-on-the-golan-heights/

There isn't much oil in golan height. The oil is not extractable and israel is dependent on imports as a result. USA can't defeat Syria directly as Russia was always an ally of Syria and was pulling the string from behind. As and when Russian interests were threatened seriously, Russia intervened.

You are so funny. Diversifying pipeline is all about European interest, not US interest. That's big difference. Why Americans solders risk their lives and a war with Russia directly for European?

US has more gas than needed, they don't need to diversifying the gas supply. In the opposite, US want to control the oil and gas, so that European will keep being vassals, just like today.

European want the pipeline, US/Israel want to block Hezbollah and wipe out Russia/Iran influence. They have different purpose, but European countries dare not to challenge Russia directly with military, they are incapable.

Btw, US is no dumb, they don't want a war neither. They just miscalculated Syria ASSAD regime and Russia/Iran support. Obama thought rebels and ISIS will do the dirty job, but failed.

USA wants to ensure that Russia doesn't have influence on EU due to hatred towards Orthodox Christianity. USA and western Europe is part of Roman Christianity and hence are waging a religious struggle to prevent Russian domination and hence prevent Roman Christianity being merged with Orthodox Christianity under Russian terms.

USA has lot of stake as it is a religious struggle rather than economic struggle

 

[Titanium100]

Iraq is under Iranian influence and will not listen to USA or EU. So, pipeline via Iraq is not an option.

Israel is the only country through which a pipeline can be passed to bypass Syria. But Muslims will never accept such a proposition to deal with Israel directly as that will make them lose legitimacy and will be like handing over Israel to jews permanently. Most Muslim countries don't recognize Israel at all. So, Israel pipeline is not an option.

The pipeline is for stopping gas to Europe to bypass Russia. And only other source of gas for EU is Qatar or Iran. But Iran is hostile and hence Qatar is the only option. But the supply requires land to pass the pipeline and hence we have "ASSAD MUST GO" campaign.


There isn't much oil in golan height. The oil is not extractable and israel is dependent on imports as a result. USA can't defeat Syria directly as Russia was always an ally of Syria and was pulling the string from behind. As and when Russian interests were threatened seriously, Russia intervened.


USA wants to ensure that Russia doesn't have influence on EU due to hatred towards Orthodox Christianity. USA and western Europe is part of Roman Christianity and hence are waging a religious struggle to prevent Russian domination and hence prevent Roman Christianity being merged with Orthodox Christianity under Russian terms.

USA has lot of stake as it is a religious struggle rather than economic struggle

Oh My god. I can't believe this nonsense is being proposed as an idea of what is going on the ground.

Firstly the US can do everything it want in Iraq and the Iraqi politicians themselves would love the pipeline and by the way they killed Solemni in Iraq without anyone saying anything about it in Iraq the whole Iran influence in Iraq is lipservice as all the politicians has sworn alliagance to the Americans they sold Solemni out the iraqi politicians. (This is how Solemni died and 100% fact)

What makes you think Qatar, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia would refuse an economical beneficial pipeline. These mentioned countries are already allies with Israel. If a man could sell an apple he would sell it if there was a way he could sell it. Don't pay attention into all that we will boycot such and such behind the scenes these nations are friendly with each other.

Come on mann.

If the EU truly wanted an alternative pipeline they would have done it long time ago via Qatar-SAUDI-Jordan-Israel-Turkey or even Iraq and way before the war even. All this is assumption because if they really wanted it they would have gotten it. Everyone is willing to do business thats just how it is.

All this pipeline talk is not as significant as you may like to believe and borderline hoax. Energy is a serious matter if they really wanted it you would have seen some urgency and intent which there is none to be honest.

This analogy kinda eliminate itself

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Firstly the US can do everything it want in Iraq and the Iraqi politicians themselves would love the pipeline and by the way they killed Solemni in Iraq without anyone saying anything about it in Iraq the whole Iran influence in Iraq is lipservice as all the politicians has sworn alliagance to the Americans they sold Solemni out the iraqi politicians. (This is how Solemni died and 100% fact)

Iraq passed a resolution saying that USA must vacate Iraq as a reaction. Iraq may be weak but it has huge support and influence of Iran. 65% Iraq is Shia and listen to Iran. Even if USA manage to convince Iraq government to allow pipeline, Iranian influence and agents will regularly sabotage it. Many Iraqi politicians are in support of Iran and it is impossible yo make a pipeline from Qatar in Iraq.

What makes you think Qatar, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia would refuse an economical beneficial pipeline. These mentioned countries are already allies with Israel. If a man could sell an apple he would sell it if there was a way he could sell it. Don't pay attention into all that we will boycot such and such behind the scenes these nations are friendly with each other.

Israel is non recognized state and hence none of the Arab countries will openly allow a pipeline via Israel. Secondly, Arabs have intention of annexing Israel and hence are wary that any pipeline via Israel will affect that chance as that will bring EU involvement. Lastly, Israel can't antagonize Russia by allowing ots soil for anti Russian activity. Doing so may make Russia offer arms against Israel. This will be a disaster for Israeli security.

If the EU truly wanted an alternative pipeline they would have done it long time ago via Qatar-SAUDI-Jordan-Israel-Turkey or even Iraq and way before the war even. All this is assumption because if they really wanted it they would have gotten it. Everyone is willing to do business thats just how it is.

Turkey is an open hater of Israel. Arabs openly refuse to recognize Israel. How will you make pipeline via Israel in such case? Refer to my reasoning above.

 

[vi-va]

Iraq passed a resolution saying that USA must vacate Iraq as a reaction. Iraq may be weak but it has huge support and influence of Iran. 65% Iraq is Shia and listen to Iran. Even if USA manage to convince Iraq government to allow pipeline, Iranian influence and agents will regularly sabotage it. Many Iraqi politicians are in support of Iran and it is impossible yo make a pipeline from Qatar in Iraq.

Israel is non recognized state and hence none of the Arab countries will openly allow a pipeline via Israel. Secondly, Arabs have intention of annexing Israel and hence are wary that any pipeline via Israel will affect that chance as that will bring EU involvement. Lastly, Israel can't antagonize Russia by allowing ots soil for anti Russian activity. Doing so may make Russia offer arms against Israel. This will be a disaster for Israeli security.


Turkey is an open hater of Israel. Arabs openly refuse to recognize Israel. How will you make pipeline via Israel in such case? Refer to my reasoning above.

Iraq is divided by sectarian. A pipeline through Iraq needs all sectarians' agreement, which is very complicated. Anyone can bomb the pipeline easily because of the sectarian government and weak control of the soil.

A pipeline through Iraq need a strong centralized government which is not possible, and a strong army to protect which won't exist in foreseeable future.