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In the early morning hours of February 24, Russia officially launched an invasion of Ukraine, marking a major escalation to the Russo-Ukrainian conflict that started in 2014. The war shocked the rest of the world and Vietnam was no exception. Russia’s invasion, after failing to secure a pledge from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) not to expand its membership to Ukraine, reminded many Vietnamese of the Chinese invasion of Vietnam in 1979, after the country tilted toward the Soviet Union in the aftermath of the signing of its Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation with Moscow the previous year.

Many Vietnamese netizens have drawn an analogy between the two invasions: a big power, unsatisfied with a small power’s foreign policy, decides to launch an invasion to teach the small power a lesson. In this sense, China launching a lightning invasion of Vietnam in the early morning hours of February 17, 1979, involving more than 600,000 troops bears a close resemblance to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

While it is tempting to draw this kind of connection between the two events, such an analogy misses one fundamental difference between Vietnam in 1979 and Ukraine in 2022. Namely, China invaded a country backed by a superpower with which it had an official treaty, while Ukraine is not officially part of any military alliances with the West. While the goal of the two invasions may be similar – to undermine Vietnam and Ukraine’s belief in the security commitments of the Soviet Union and NATO, respectively – the presence of a major power ally in the case of Vietnam significantly restrained how Chinese leaders would conduct the war. In the case of Russia, so far there has been little evidence that the country felt any restraint by NATO when contemplating its war plans.

An alliance is different from an alignment in one major sense: whether there exists a legal document that explicitly states that one side must come to the defense of another when there is a military threat. The alliance treaty is significant in several aspects. First, it creates hand tying mechanisms that can generate costs if one side does not uphold its commitment. Second, it lays the foundation for military cooperation before a war starts to increase chance of victory and lowers the costs of military assistance. An alignment, /on the other hand, is based on an expectation, but not an obligation, of support when a conflict arises. Vietnam’s 1978 alliance with the Soviets put it in a stronger position to deter and defend against China than Ukraine’s alignment with NATO.

There is no doubt that China’s invasion of Vietnam in 1979 was launched first and foremost as a result of Hanoi’s alliance with the Soviet Union. China scholars attribute the decision to invade Vietnam to the “principal enemy theory”: that China’s policy towards a country is a result of that country’s policy towards China’s principal enemy. According to this theory, China would turn hostile to a country if it improved its relations with China’s principal enemy. China’s motive to preventa hostile alliance from threatening the homeland may be similar to the Russian motivations for invading Ukraine, but the scope of the two wars is likely to be very different.

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Before the war and Vietnam’s invasion of Cambodia, China’s leader Deng Xiaoping saw the probability of the Soviet retaliation along China’s northern border as one of the most important factors behind the limited scope of the invasion. The Chinese leadership agreed that it should not threaten the survival of the Hanoi government, and that the war should be confined to the border areas. China’s military would withdraw after seizing Vietnam’s border cities. Importantly, China intentionally madeclear to the public that the invasion would be limited in duration to avoid a Soviet intervention.

It is worth recalling that the Soviet Union stationed 44 divisions along the Sino-Soviet border at the time of China’s invasion. Soviet deployments had greatly worried Deng when he was probing a normalization of Sino-U.S. relations with the Jimmy Carter administration in 1978. When China invaded Vietnam, it did not seek to overthrow the Hanoi government out of concern that it might prompt a Soviet intervention. The Soviet Union, although it evoked the 1978 treaty, believed the invasion would be limited, exactly as Deng intended to signal, and it only provided military supplies and advisors to Hanoi.

This is not what is happening in Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin did not signal that the invasion would be short or limited in scope. The Pentagon has warnedthat Putin wants to decapitate the Kyiv government and install pro-Russian figures. Moreover, Russia does not face any immediate threats on its border to the scale China feared in 1979. Russia is supposedly confident that its military partnership with China is strong enough that it can leave its eastern flank exposed and move troops westward for an invasion of Ukraine. Putin also covered his troops in Ukraine with the threat to use nuclear weapons if the West intervenes. In short, Putin’s war aims are maximal and he seems to be prepared to pay a high price for them, in a stark contrast to Deng’s limited and in many ways cautious “lesson” to Vietnam.

The difference in Vietnam having an official ally while Ukraine does not renders infeasible any attempts to use the Sino-Vietnamese war to predict Russian behavior. We cannot even guess if China’s invasion of Vietnam would have been limited in the absence of a Vietnam-Soviet alliance, or whether China would have invaded had Hanoi never tilted to the Soviet side in the first place. Counterfactual reasoning is rarely easy.

Importantly, some netizens in Vietnam have expressed worries that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine reminds them of the threat of a potential surprise Chinese invasion should Vietnam seriously consider joining a U.S.-led alliance against China in the future. However, this worry is premature since China’s willingness to punish Vietnam for its closer military relations with the U.S. depends on many factors not necessarily linked to the lessons of the Russian invasion. China would more likely worry about the expectation of U.S. support for Vietnam at the moment of invasion, the China-U.S. military balance in East Asia, Washington’s military commitments to Taiwan, the level of Russian support (which would dictate China’s willingness to expose its northern flank), or North Korean nuclear issues. Calculations at the time of action are even more importantthan lessons learned from history. Vietnam’s irrational fear of a Chinese invasion may hamper improvements in U.S.-Vietnam relations that are necessary to check Chinese ambitions in the South China Sea, which counterintuitively may invite more Chinese aggression when China sees the U.S. security commitment to Vietnam is low.

Even with perfect information of each other’s intentions, a war can take on its own momentum and may progress beyond the initial aims of the instigating party. Hence, it is always important to note that war is complicated and that we should be cautious of drawing hasty, superficial historical analogies.

 
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I am glad I am not the only one linked Russia-Ukraine war to China-Vietnam War.

Echoes of history.

My two cents:
  1. Before China-Vietnam War, Vietnam was invading Cambodia.
  2. China was a Vietnam ally long before North Vietnam independence.
  3. It was China helped Vietnamese the most to get their country back from France.
  4. It was China and Soviet helped Vietnam the most to defeat US invasion.
  5. It was China that deterred US from crossing 17° north latitude.
  6. Without China deterrence, US Army would have finished North Vietnam in a couple of months, if not weeks.
  7. China donated hundreds of billions dollars of weapons, full donation, not loan.
  8. China was extremely poor during US-Vietnam.

China-Vietnam War was a punishment to those betrayers. Vietnam should be grateful China didn't punish you any longer like US did to Cuba.

Ask any Chinese, they will tell you that Vietnamese is ungrateful, backstabing and untrustworthy.

China in the Vietnam War
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I am glad I am not the only one linked Russia-Ukraine war to China-Vietnam War.

Echoes of history.

My two cents:
  1. Before China-Vietnam War, Vietnam was invading Cambodia.
  2. China was a Vietnam ally long before North Vietnam independence.
  3. It was China helped Vietnamese the most to get their country back from France.
  4. It was China and Soviet helped Vietnam the most to defeat US invasion.
  5. It was China that deterred US from crossing 17° north latitude.
  6. Without China deterrence, US Army would have finished North Vietnam in a couple of months, if not weeks.
  7. China donated hundreds of billions dollars of weapons, full donation, not loan.
  8. China was extremely poor during US-Vietnam.

China-Vietnam War was a punishment to those betrayers. Vietnam should be grateful China didn't punish you any longer like US did to Cuba.

Ask any Chinese, they will tell you that Vietnamese is ungrateful, backstabing and untrustworthy.

China in the Vietnam War
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Don't forget that China was sided with USA from 1972 and supported Khmer Rouge attacked on Vietnam borders in time 1976-1978.

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Don't forget that China was sided with USA from 1972 and supported Khmer Rouge attacked on Vietnam borders in time 1976-1978.

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Side? What do you mean side?

  1. Did US donate hundreds of billions of weapons to China, just like China gave Vietnam for free?
  2. Did US give Taiwan back to China?
  3. Did US give Chinese food like China gave food to Vietnamese?
  4. Did US help China CCP to win the civil war like China helped North Vietnam VCP won the civil war?
  5. Did US train China CCP commanders, soldiers, like China trained Vietnam?
  6. Did US provide troops in China like China did in Vietnam?

  1. So you mean, when China was under severe threat, China can not have any kind of relationship with US?
  2. When did China establish diplomatic relations with US? 1979.
  3. So you mean Vietnam should betray China because Kissinger and Nixon visited China in 1971 and 1972 respectively?
  4. So you mean China can NOT defend her national security, not a little?
  5. So you mean China should support you by all her means when she was extremely poor, and you don't owe her any?

Ask any Chinese, they will tell you that Vietnamese is ungrateful, backstabing and untrustworthy.

Chinese see Pakistan and Pakistanis as Iron Friends, but see Vietnam and Vietnamese as Betrayers.
 
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also geography.
Vietnam is filled with tropical jungles, ideal for guerilla warfare.
Ukraine is just flat farmlands, perfect for mechanized offensives.
 
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To be honest, power needed a buffer zone, and North Korea and Vietnam were China's buffer zones. At that time, it was impossible for China to agree a military alliance between Vietnam and the Soviet Union. Vietnam agreed to let the Soviet Union use Golden Orchid Bay, and Vietnam, with the support of the Soviet Union, attacked Cambodia to unify the Peninsula. This was impossible for China to accept, so China basically sent military industry to Vietnam. Vietnam's main military industry and heavy industry (bcs of the Vietnam War )were close to China. The Chinese army destroyed Vietnam's military industry and heavy industry. It also dragged down the Soviet Union, because the Soviet Union had to give Vietnam continuous blood transfusions for many years. The idea of a big power is different from that of small country. China's participation in the Korean War means it is impossible for China to accept that US troops are close to China. big Power needs buffer zone, and the buffer zone should remain neutral even if it is not friendly.
 
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To be honest, power needed a buffer zone, and North Korea and Vietnam were China's buffer zones. At that time, it was impossible for China to agree a military alliance between Vietnam and the Soviet Union. Vietnam agreed to let the Soviet Union use Golden Orchid Bay, and Vietnam, with the support of the Soviet Union, attacked Cambodia to unify the Peninsula. This was impossible for China to accept, so China basically sent military industry to Vietnam. Vietnam's main military industry and heavy industry (bcs of the Vietnam War )were close to China. The Chinese army destroyed Vietnam's military industry and heavy industry. It also dragged down the Soviet Union, because the Soviet Union had to give Vietnam continuous blood transfusions for many years. The idea of a big power is different from that of small country. China's participation in the Korean War means it is impossible for China to accept that US troops are close to China. big Power needs buffer zone, and the buffer zone should remain neutral even if it is not friendly.
But Le Duan ignored the best practice of diplomacy. The whole Vietnam nation paid the price for his foolishness, just like Ukraine.

Le Duan believed that Soviet will defend Vietnam, Soviet didn't. Instead, Soviet decided to invade Afghanistan.

Vietnam was as naive as Ukraine today.
 
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This was more of a border war than a real all out war like in Ukraine. Both sides didn't want to prolong the war and neither side wanted the opponents territory. China did however use scorch earth tactic laying waste to North Vietnam which set them back decades.
 
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Don't forget that China was sided with USA from 1972 and supported Khmer Rouge attacked on Vietnam borders in time 1976-1978.

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So you hubris treacherous ungrateful Viets as always in history think you should had a veto over Chinese foreign policy ? You Viets think China had no right to improve relation with USA at that time for China's own sake and survival ? The question is that did China collude with USA against Vietnam at that time as the two countries improved their relations. The answer is NO, all the time then China still supported Vietnam against USA in the war both militarily and economically without any holdback ! Who the f**k do you hubris treacherous ungrateful Viets think you are, China's masters ? You think you Viets should dictate China's own foreign polices ? That's your monkey logic and that's why you backstabbed China ? Your attitude towards China to date as I have noticed in your previous comments regarding China and Chinese is that you think China owes you Viets since you were born and China is suppose to give you all the help for free all the time anytime ? And all the time you Viets are never satisified and are angry with Chinese help ! You Viets have no right whatsever to ask or stop China from improving relation with USA or any country at that time or any time, period. Your treacherous ungrateful venomous snake country deserve to be punished in the 1979 war !
 
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But Le Duan ignored the best practice of diplomacy. The whole Vietnam nation paid the price for his foolishness, just like Ukraine.

Le Duan believed that Soviet will defend Vietnam, Soviet didn't. Instead, Soviet decided to invade Afghanistan.

Vietnam was as naive as Ukraine today.

Le Duan does know well about betrayal mentality òf Mao, when Mao president, he was cheated by Kisinger from 1972. Mao belived that USA will support China in confront with Soviet Union. Note that Kissinger is Jew, and now Ucraina president is also Jew in ethnicity too.

Idiot chinese do not understand what he did.
 
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So you hubris treacherous ungrateful Viets as always in history think you should had a veto over Chinese foreign policy ? You Viets think China had no right to improve relation with USA at that time for China's own sake and survival ? The question is that did China collude with USA against Vietnam at that time as the two countries improved their relations. The answer is NO, all the time then China still supported Vietnam against USA in the war both militarily and economically without any holdback ! Who the f**k do you hubris treacherous ungrateful Viets think you are, China's masters ? You think you Viets should dictate China's own foreign polices ? That's your monkey logic and that's why you backstabbed China ? Your attitude towards China to date is that you think China owes you Viets since you were born and China suppose to give you all the help for free all the time anytime ? You Viets have no right whatsever to ask or stop China from improve relation with USA or any country at that time or any time, period. Your treacherous ungrateful venomous snake country deserve to be punished in the 1979 war !

You are chinese, not Canadian.

Stop repead idiot propaganda of China here. One day Mao said "USA is paper tiger", next day Mao welcamed Kisiinger and Nixon like his father in Peking in time of Vietnam war.

Normal human dese not do like that.
 
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Side? What do you mean side?

  1. Did US donate hundreds of billions of weapons to China, just like China gave Vietnam for free?
  2. Did US give Taiwan back to China?
  3. Did US give Chinese food like China gave food to Vietnamese?
  4. Did US help China CCP to win the civil war like China helped North Vietnam VCP won the civil war?
  5. Did US train China CCP commanders, soldiers, like China trained Vietnam?
  6. Did US provide troops in China like China did in Vietnam?

  1. So you mean, when China was under severe threat, China can not have any kind of relationship with US?
  2. When did China establish diplomatic relations with US? 1979.
  3. So you mean Vietnam should betray China because Kissinger and Nixon visited China in 1971 and 1972 respectively?
  4. So you mean China can NOT defend her national security, not a little?
  5. So you mean China should support you by all her means when she was extremely poor, and you don't owe her any?

Ask any Chinese, they will tell you that Vietnamese is ungrateful, backstabing and untrustworthy.

Chinese see Pakistan and Pakistanis as Iron Friends, but see Vietnam and Vietnamese as Betrayers.

You can not deny that China was good friend of USA in cold war.

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You are chinese, not Canadian.

Stop repead idiot propaganda of China here. One day Mao said "USA is paper tiger", next day Mao welcamed Kisiinger and Nixon like his father in Peking in time of Vietnam war.

Normal human dese not do like that.
The hell with you Viets ! Again, you think you have the veto to China's improving relation with USA at the time the Soviet Union was posing imminent and much greater life-death threat to China's survival ? USA was indeed a paper tiger as was defeated by the PLA in the Korean war, idiot ! But, that doesn't mean China wouldn't admit and accept that USA is advanced and very powerful and China needed USA's cooperation in deterring the Soviet Union's imminent threat at that time. China engaged the USA in an equal footing more or less in the 1970s. Then, why you Viets improved your relation dramatically with the evil USA in the 1990s when it was just not long ago they invaded and had a bloody war with your country for 10 years and bombed and massacred you people like killing cockroaches ?
 
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