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Why the Chinese Internet Is Cheering Russia’s Invasion

You are too naive. Countries like Poland or Czech in Europe seek Nato membership because they fear Russia. And most don’t know they fear Germany.
Thinking Poland or Czech will attack Germany or Russia is like thinking dinosaurs returning to earth.

I get they fear them. The giant is scary when you are unable to stop them from rolling over you if they want. I get it.

However is it all fair? Are both sides being played by a bigger evil? Both sides are normal and mostly decent humans. Some kind some mean etc. Russia already is kept in check with power and even military power doesn't match NATO conventionally. The smaller guys have defence agreements. They should now listen a little bit at least to Russia's pain and concerns But here there is no bother and no effort. Just he is evil blah blah blah.

When we fail to listen to those around us eventually their pains will be shared. There is always a price to be paid in everything. In here by ignoring Russia, they have unfortunatley also blundered a little too. Misled by US at least a part to play there. As bad as invasion is, why let it happen. It hurts Russia by miles and its interests too.
 
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Western countries hate China. They hope Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang will be independent.

Now, they do not have provocative time and offend China. Because their home is burning.

Russians are doing good things. That's why Chinese citizens support Putin.
 
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China is an ally of Russia.

All allies cheer for their allies.
That is not a reason.

People will not necessarily cheer for their allies.

Cheering is for admire and aesthetic feeling, not for standpoint.
 
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That is not a reason.

The Chinese will not necessarily cheer for their allies.

Cheering is for admire and aesthetic feeling, not for standpoint.
What I meant is that Allies support Allies. For me cheering meant support.

I hope you didn't take it in the negative sense.
 
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As China also experienced the Korean War, we fully understand Russia's feelings. In 1950, despite repeated warnings from China, the United States reached the Chinese border. China can only enter North Korea to fight.
Ukraine to Russia is very like Taiwan to China as well.
 
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Most on Chinese social media support Russia, but not everyone, considerable amount of people support Ukraine, I guess this is the case in every country, public opinions differ.

The public are also sympathetic towards Ukraine as it is but a proxy of war, a victim itself. I don’t see a contradiction in supporting Russia and sympathize with Ukraine as the real culprit is directing the conflict from afar.
 
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The public are also sympathetic towards Ukraine as it is but a proxy of war, a victim itself. I don’t see a contradiction in supporting Russia and sympathize with Ukraine as the real culprit is directing the conflict from afar.
Probably because Ukrainians never independently controlled their country in history. They are too immature to rule their country. Two serious consequences: 1,Gullible Like a kid. 2, No sense of danger.

People in Taiwan are very similar to Ukrainians.
 
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Ukraine's military equipments provided by the West is proving very effective. This could very well be a fine and positive example for Taiwan.
 
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Ukraine's military equipments provided by the West is proving very effective. This could very well be a fine and positive example for Taiwan.

Looks like Putin's goal is to use military action to press the Ukrainian government into a political settlement rather than a conquest of Ukraine. In that he is making number of mistakes. He has now offered peace talks twice and even paused his offensive over the talk, and that is directly against the principal of the art of war. Russia tank columns are not great for city battles, and to commit his troop to seize Kiev will be very costly regardless of whether the west is providing weapons or not. Ukraine's western border is a basically a straight line extending from Belarus. He should use his mobility and air superiority to seize the western border and ignore major cities. Take strategic points and force the Ukrainians to come out of the cities and fight would be far better a choice. As long as he can control the border and routes into the cities, there will be ample time in securing them at his leisure.
 
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What China thinks: Lets oversimplify the diverse opinions of 1 Billion Chinese people on the internet with these cherrypicked screenshots of 5 social media posts in China that may of may be real and may or may be Chinese, arbitrarily (mis)translated and reinterpreted through biased American eyes and expressed in biggoted American projections of what we Americans want you to believe Chinese think - U.S. state affiliated media
 
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Why the Chinese Internet Is Cheering Russia’s Invasion​

As the world overwhelmingly condemns the assault on Ukraine, online opinion in China is mostly pro-Russia, pro-war and pro-Putin.

Feb. 27, 2022, 5:00 a.m. ET

If President Vladimir V. Putin is looking for international support and approval for his invasion of Ukraine, he can turn to the Chinese internet.

Its users have called him “Putin the Great,” “the best legacy of the former Soviet Union” and “the greatest strategist of this century.” They have chastised Russians who protested against the war, saying they had been brainwashed by the United States.

Mr. Putin’s speech on Thursday, which essentially portrayed the conflict as one waged against the West, won loud cheers on Chinese social media. Many people said they were moved to tears. “If I were Russian, Putin would be my faith, my light,” wrote @jinyujiyiliangxiaokou, a user of the Twitter-like platform Weibo.

As the world overwhelmingly condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Chinese internet, for the most part, is pro-Russia, pro-war and pro-Putin.

Mr. Putin’s portrayal of Russia as a victim of the West’s political, ideological and military aggression has resonated deeply with many on social media. It dovetails with China’s narrative that the United States and its allies are afraid of China’s rise and the alternative world order it could create.

For its part, the Chinese government, Russia’s most powerful partner, has been more circumspect. Officials have declined to call Russia’s invasion an invasion, nor have they condemned it. But they have not endorsed it, either.

Under Xi Jinping, its top leader, China has taken a more confrontational stance on foreign policy in recent years. Its diplomats, the state media’s journalists and some of the government’s most influential advisers are far more hawkish than they used to be.

Together, they have helped to shape a generation of online warriors who view the world as a zero-sum game between China and the West, especially the United States.

A translation of Mr. Putin’s speech on Thursday by a nationalistic news site went viral, to say the least. The Weibo hashtag #putin10000wordsspeechfulltext got 1.1 billion views within 24 hours.

“This is an exemplary speech of war mobilization,” said one Weibo user, @apjam.

“Why was I moved to tears by the speech?” wrote @ASsicangyueliang. “Because this is also how they’ve been treating China.”

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Mr. Putin with Xi Jinping, China’s top leader, in Moscow in 2019. They said this month that their countries’ friendship had “no limits.”Credit Sputnik/Reuters

Mostly young, nationalistic online users like these, known as “little pinks” in China, have taken their cue from the so-called “wolf warrior” diplomats who seem to relish verbal battle with journalists and their Western counterparts.

The day before Russia’s invasion, for instance, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman said in a daily press briefing that the United States was the “culprit” behind the tensions over Ukraine.

“When the U.S. drove five waves of NATO expansion eastward all the way to Russia’s doorstep and deployed advanced offensive strategic weapons in breach of its assurances to Russia, did it ever think about the consequences of pushing a big country to the wall?” asked the spokeswoman, Hua Chunying.

The next day, as Ms. Hua was peppered with questions about whether China considered Russia’s “special military operation” an invasion, she turned the briefing into a critique of the United States. “You may go ask the U.S.: they started the fire and fanned the flames,” she said. “How are they going to put out the fire now?”

She bristled at the U.S. State Department’s comment that China should respect state sovereignty and territorial integrity, a longstanding tenet of Chinese foreign policy.

“The U.S. is in no position to tell China off,” she said. Then she mentioned the three journalists who were killed in NATO’s bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade in 1999, a tragic incident that prompted widespread anti-U.S. protests in China.

“NATO still owes the Chinese people a debt of blood,” she said.

That sentence became the top Weibo hashtag as Russia was bombing Ukraine. The hashtag, created by the state-run People’s Daily newspaper, has been viewed more than a billion times. In posts below it, users called the United States a “warmonger” and a “paper tiger.”

Other Weibo users were bemused. “If I only browsed Weibo,” wrote the user @____26156, “I would have believed that it was the United States that had invaded Ukraine.”

The strong pro-war sentiment online has shocked many Chinese. Some WeChat users on my timeline warned that they would block any Putin supporters. Many people shared articles about China’s long, troubled history with its neighbor, including Russian annexation of Chinese territory and a border conflict with the Soviet Union in the late 1960s.

One widely shared WeChat article was titled, “All those who cheer for war are idiots,” plus an expletive. “The grand narrative of nationalism and great-power chauvinism has squeezed out their last bit of humanity,” the author wrote.

It was eventually deleted by WeChat for violating regulations.

Hua Chunying, a spokeswoman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, said the United States “started the fire and fanned the flames” that led to the war in Ukraine.

Hua Chunying, a spokeswoman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, said the United States “started the fire and fanned the flames” that led to the war in Ukraine. Credit. Carlos Garcia Rawlins/Reuters

The pro-Russia sentiment is in line with the two countries’ growing official solidarity, culminating in a joint statement on Feb. 4, when Mr. Putin met with Mr. Xi in Beijing at the Winter Olympics.

The countries’ friendship has “no limits,” they declared.

Given that the leaders met just weeks before the invasion, it would be understandable to conclude that China should have had better knowledge of the Kremlin’s plans. But growing evidence suggests that the echo chamber of China’s foreign policy establishment might have misled not only the country’s internet users, but its own officials.

My colleague Edward Wong reported that over a period of three months, senior U.S. officials held meetings with their Chinese counterparts and shared intelligence that detailed Russia’s troop buildup around Ukraine. The Americans asked the Chinese officials to intervene with the Russians and tell them not to invade.

The Chinese brushed the Americans off, saying that they did not think an invasion was in the works. U.S. intelligence showed that on one occasion, Beijing shared the Americans’ information with Moscow.

Recent speeches by some of China’s most influential advisers to the government on international relations suggest that the miscalculation may have been based on deep distrust of the United States. They saw it as a declining power that wanted to push for war with false intelligence because it would benefit the United States, financially and strategically.

Jin Canrong, a professor at Renmin University in Beijing, told the state broadcaster China Central Television, or CCTV, on Feb. 20 that the U.S. government had been talking about imminent war because an unstable Europe would help Washington, as well the country’s financial and energy industries. After the war started, he admitted to his 2.4 million Weibo followers that he was surprised.

Just before the invasion, Shen Yi, a professor at Fudan University in Shanghai, ridiculed the Biden administration’s predictions of war in a 52-minute video program. “Why did ‘Sleepy Joe’ use such poor-quality intelligence on Ukraine and Russia?” he asked, using Donald Trump’s favorite nickname for President Biden.

Earlier in the week, Mr. Shen had held a conference call about the Ukraine crisis with a brokerage’s clients, titled, “A war that would not be fought.”

When the fighting began, he, too, acknowledged to his Weibo followers, who number 1.6 million, that he had been wrong.

Nationalistic emotions on social media were also sparked by the Chinese Embassy in Ukraine. Unlike most embassies in Kyiv, it didn’t urge its citizens to evacuate. Hours into the war, it advised Chinese people to post the country’s red flag conspicuously on their vehicles when traveling, indicating that it would provide protection.

The state-owned People’s Daily, CCTV and many top government agencies posted about that on Weibo. Many people used the hashtag #theChineseredwillprotectyou, referring to the flag.

The idea echoed a movie, the 2017 Chinese blockbuster “Wolf Warrior 2,” which ends with the hero taking fellow passengers safely through a war zone in Africa as he holds a Chinese flag high. “It’s Chinese,” an armed fighter says. “Hold your fire.”

Two days later, the embassy reversed course, urging Chinese citizens not to display anything that would disclose their identity. Chinese people living in Ukraine advised fellow citizens not to make comments on social media that could jeopardize their security.

As the war drags on, and especially if Beijing calibrates its position in the face of an international backlash, the online pro-Russia sentiment in China could ebb. In the meantime, other internet users are getting impatient with the nationalists.

“Putin should enlist the Chinese little pinks and send them to the frontline,” wrote the Weibo user @xinshuiqingliu. “They’re his die-hard fans and extremely brave fighters.”

Americans are lecturing others?
 
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Putin asked US to make an official promise that Ukraine will never join in NATO, otherwise there will be a serious consequence. US rejected. So why only Russia got punished? US obviously should also be responsible for the war. US rejected the proposal for its dignity. As a response Russia delivered the consequence for its dignity. US needs dignity. So as to Russia. It's totally absurd the west attributed all war responsibilities to Russia.
Ukraine is a sovereign state recognized by China.

you should read your party line better

Maintaining world peace. China does not participate in the arms race, nor does it seek military expansion. China resolutely opposes hegemonism, power politics, aggression and expansion in whatever form, as well as encroachments perpetrated by one country on the sovereignty and territorial integrity of another, or interference in the internal affairs of another nation under the pretext of ethnic, religious or human rights issues.
 
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