Why the army has become pacifist

[AlKardai]

Know your enemies as of today. PDM, TTP, Neighbor to the East.

Don’t forget the enemy on the other side

 

[villageidiot]

What Bajwa did, is history now. It’s still hurting Pakistan, but doesn’t mean you all start dissing Pakistan.

Bajwa was not a person. He was an institution. They are still doing it. At least, they are no undoing it, which they should. If they brought the country to the brink of destruction and PDM gave the final nudge, doesn't mean the worthless PDM pushed the country off the cliff.

The adversary have made a huge dent into Pakistan psyche in terms of 5th gen warfare.

I missed the part where the adversary convinced our holy warriors to fck this country up for God knows what reason.

The adversary couldn't do shit in 3.5 tough years of IK, Pakistanis faced every challenge of 5th generation warfare that came their way.

Suggest all members to be very careful and not play into the hands of enemies and diss Pakistan. PDM are thieves, take them to the cleaners, but don’t join hands with your enemies in dissing Pakistan.

How? Elections? They don't look very likely. Or fair, if they happen indeed. Surely, there's no threat to Pakistan in the infallibles's eyes now, it it? No buzdar baggage ruining their reputation? No 5th gen warfare nor foriegn elements taking advantage of the situation that they have to fix like they fixed IK?

Pakistan is going through a tough moment.

Know your enemies as of today. PDM, TTP, Neighbor to the East.

Enemies can't do much unless kutti choran naal ralli howe.

 

[TheSolution]

Know your enemies as of today. PDM, TTP, Neighbor to the East.

Neighbour to the West as well.

PDM/TTP gets massive support from the neighbour to the West.

A war is inevitable so it's better to start preparing now...

 

[AlKardai]

Neighbour to the West as well.

PDM/TTP gets massive support from the neighbour to the West.

A war is inevitable so it's better to start preparing now...

I see you watched the moeed Pirzada Analysis...

 

[TheSolution]

I see you watched the moeed Pirzada Analysis...

I didn't watch the latest one but I saw the title

But still, Afghanistan has always been a problem and continues to be one.

War is inevitable, or at least knocking them into their place. It will have to happen eventually.

 

[Olympus81]

Agree with @villageidiot @Bleek

Our enemies of today: PDM, TTP, Eastern Neighbor

Our enemies of tomorrow: Afghanistan/IEA

They all have to be managed differently.

I would still give some time to Asim Munir to course correct. Sure there are alot of bad apples within the leadership, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, atleast for a few more months. Things are not very straightforward within the institution. There are different pressure groups within the institution with their own interests.

 

[DrWatson775]

I don't think the entire military is loyal to him. The chain of command exists and it would override any loyalties to IK

I think he was being sarcastic

 

[villageidiot]

Agree with @villageidiot @Bleek

Our enemies of today: PDM, TTP, Eastern Neighbor

Our enemies of tomorrow: Afghanistan/IEA

They all have to be managed differently.


I would still give some time to Asim Munir to course correct. Sure there are alot of bad apples within the leadership, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, atleast for a few more months. Things are not very straightforward within the institution. There are different pressure groups within the institution with their own interests.

Our biggest enemy is ourselves i.e. anyone who undermines the effort to present a united front to external enemies. That may well include IK, in the case of afghanistan.

Regarding asim munir, you are a more patient man than I am, sir.
I think he has had enough time to at least stop the fuckery, the badmashi, the arrests and all that. I mean, Stopping this badmashi is one thing, they actually have a lot of atoning to do, if they are sincere.

Does anyone think that police rn, esp that IG islamabad is acting like a thug because he has rana sanaullah's backing? Or because it's the estb, who uses police for their dirty work and in turn projects them from being held accountable in cases like model town and 25th May.

Now assuming he's straight, which is a big IF in my books, ( i mean, have we forgotten how hard Noon league was lobbying for him) and a majority of corps commanders are not and he needs more time to bring the corps commanders around to his POV, but why tf can't he rein in a major general? What is he afraid of? It's not like the other side will bring a no confidence motion against him, is it? Where is the renowned discipline and chain of command?

Also, IK has himself alluded to the lack of change in the estb's behaviour post-Bajwa, a few times now.

 

[Menace2Society]

During the PTI govt, army was projecting well.

Since Sharifs and Zardaris returning, its back to mudslinging and controversy.

Sharifs have compromised the army, a sad demise.

 

[DrWatson775]

Agree with @villageidiot @Bleek

Our enemies of today: PDM, TTP, Eastern Neighbor

Our enemies of tomorrow: Afghanistan/IEA

They all have to be managed differently.

I would still give some time to Asim Munir to course correct. Sure there are alot of bad apples within the leadership, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, atleast for a few more months. Things are not very straightforward within the institution. There are different pressure groups within the institution with their own interests.

There are things done for course correction urgently, short/mid-term and long term. Nothing seems to have changed. Course is the same... arrest politicians and journalists ( specifically those leaning one way), physical remand, judicial remand, unknown location transfer, bail hearings. Then find alcohol in their test reports. Rinse and repeat. Add some videos and torture hasb-e-zaiqa.

 

[villageidiot]

During the PTI govt, army was projecting well.

Someone should have told them so they could have an easier time controlling the itch.

Since Sharifs and Zardaris returning, its back to mudslinging and controversy.

Sharifs have compromised the army, a sad demise.

Poor little army. They got tricked by the usual suspects again. When will they learn?

THIS is the army actually.

 

[Erieye]

Our biggest enemy: Ourselves - lack of powerful governing institutions which run on meritocracy and a system of accountability. PTM and other separatists. Cuckold inferiority complex mindsets within the population. Corrupt and disloyal bastards: GHQ and PDM.

Our external enemies: Eastern and Western neighbours.

 

[Zhukov]

That's just one aspect of it. What about conducting IBOs, assassinating TTP functionaries in Afghanistan, sabotaging their sources of income, arresting local facilitators, diplomatic arm twisting of the afghan taliban?

You are overestimating the capabilities of our Armed Forces specially Intelligence.
They dont have the technological caoability , network and influence like CIA. I dont think i we are technologically capable of freely operating inside afghanistan surgically.
And we cannot bomb the hell out of them like most members here advocate.
Our only option is tough diplomatic posture, With military on border always shelling and making life difficult for them on one hand and clear demands on other hand. But that will only happen if our establishment stop seeing Taliban as "Bhai" and Afghanistan as "Backyard" "Strategic depth". This love affair needs to end.

 

[villageidiot]

Our biggest enemy: Ourselves - lack of powerful governing institutions which run on meritocracy and a system of accountability. PTM and other separatists. Cuckold inferiority complex mindsets within the population. Corrupt and disloyal bastards: GHQ and PDM.

Our external enemies: Eastern and Western neighbours.

@Olympus81 @Bleek

Exactly. Our biggest enemy is ourselves. External enemies were there all along.

One pertinent example is that of Israel. Take away the humanitarian catastrophe that is the zionist occupation and you have the perfect state to emulate. Surrounded by all sides except the sea, they've held their own against numerous enemies, surpassed them in human development and technology, surpassed even the US and EU states in some respects. All without any notable natural resources like oil, ( which is why I esp don't like those feckless arabs. They could have had the world on their finger tips but chose to behave like nau-daulatiyas of the world, no enterprise. )

 

[Erieye]

You are overestimating the capabilities of our Armed Forces specially Intelligence.
They dont have the technological caoability , network and influence like CIA. I dont think i we are technologically capable of freely operating inside afghanistan surgically.
And we cannot bomb the hell out of them like most members here advocate.
Our only option is tough diplomatic posture, With military on border always shelling and making life difficult for them on one hand and clear demands on other hand. But that will only happen if our establishment stop seeing Taliban as "Bhai" and Afghanistan as "Backyard" "Strategic depth". This love affair needs to end.

I think you're being a bit too pessimistic of our capabilities in this regard tbh. It's probably a bit more in the middle of what @villageidiot and you are implying.

What is stopping Akincis or WL2s or TB2s to strike targets? And we do have some abilities to build assets on ground and also infiltrate on ground, as we have done that before.

@Olympus81 @Bleek

Exactly. Our biggest enemy is ourselves. External enemies were there all along.

One pertinent example is that of Israel. Take away the humanitarian catastrophe that is the zionist occupation and you have the perfect state to emulate. Surrounded by all sides except the sea, they've held their own against numerous enemies, surpassed them in human development and technology, surpassed even the US and EU states in some respects. All without any notable natural resources like oil, ( which is why I esp don't like those feckless arabs. They could have had the world on their finger tips but chose to behave like nau-daulatiyas of the world, no enterprise. )

I 100% agree.

Israel's governance structure and competency is one Pakistan, or really any successful nation, should emulate. Minus the obviously condemnable human rights violations, no one can deny they pursure their national interests with aggression and systematic intelligent steps.

We should be the Islamic Israel. (We technically are)