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Why Saudi Arabia Is Building a Floating City

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Reclaiming land from the sea can yield very fertile land, as the Dutch have been doing for centuries and the North Koreans are doing now that they seem to struggling during the pandemic. Perhaps the Saudis want to be more food secure, with more domestic food production. They do have a long coast where they could do it if they wanted.

Besides being strategically located on the Red Sea shipping lane, are there any resources to be mined from this location? Affordable Water desalination (or just subsidized with free oil to power the plants) and arable land could make Saudi Arabia much more independent of global food trends. Food, water, and energy security along with access to high tech domestic industrial production could really cement Saudi Arabia’s stability (and be a source of a lot employment) for decades to come, as it will probably take many decades to achieve food independence.

NEOM is really a smart move by the Saudis, only wish it had been started in the 40s or the 50s so they wouldn’t have to catch up with the industrialized nations.
 
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Interesting concept. We will have to see how NEOM develops in the future, the idea behind it is a brilliant one.
Reclaiming land from the sea can yield very fertile land, as the Dutch have been doing for centuries and the North Koreans are doing now that they seem to struggling during the pandemic. Perhaps the Saudis want to be more food secure, with more domestic food production. They do have a long coast where they could do it if they wanted.

Besides being strategically located on the Red Sea shipping lane, are there any resources to be mined from this location? Affordable Water desalination (or just subsidized with free oil to power the plants) and arable land could make Saudi Arabia much more independent of global food trends. Food, water, and energy security along with access to high tech domestic industrial production could really cement Saudi Arabia’s stability (and be a source of a lot employment) for decades to come, as it will probably take many decades to achieve food independence.

NEOM is really a smart move by the Saudis, only wish it had been started in the 40s or the 50s so they would have to bring catching up with the industrialized nations.

Saudi Arabia has been self-sufficient when it comes to most foods for decades. They have turned areas the size of Belgium and Netherlands combined into agricultural lands. In fact in the past (1960-1990's) they were even one of the largest wheat exporters in the world but due to decreasing acquirers they rightly had to change their approach. They own a lot of land abroad too.


Agricultural output is growing each year:



However a lot of land (KSA is huge) could be turned into more agricultural lands due to improving technology. Not to forget greenhouse farming which can be done in even the hottest desert regions.

50% of the water needs of the country already rely on desalination. KSA is leading on this front in the world. Even ahead of Israel.







There are a lot of mineral wealth in that area of Saudi Arabia. The country has one of the largest mineral wealths in the world.

As for energy, wind, solar, dams (in the mountains), thermal and possibly nuclear are all possible within NEOM.

Anyway the country produces almost every vegetable available, fruits (tropical included), coffee, tea, olives, largest diary farms in the region, aqua farms, fish, meats and even rice in some regions etc.


If Saudi Arabia could solve the challenge of collecting and storing rainwater (almost all is wasted outside of the dams in the mountainous regions) before it escapes into the Red Sea, they could turn the entire Hijazi coastline (which is mostly flat and perfect for agriculture) into huge fertile lands. In fact the country could become an agricultural powerhouse considering its size.
 
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No doubt built by foreigners to suck KSA money. KSA should be building Desalination plants after desalination plants to irrigate the deserts and increase food production. Why not make sea water ship trains (huge massive floating engineless water tankers) pulled by ships/barges/ or with mega engines to bring water from country where floods occur e.g Bangladesh, India etc to irrigate the deserts? Or perhaps over ground/undersea water pipelines to bring fresh water over. "Sea can go several kilometers deep. Laying a pipe at the bottom is a challenge. However, 6,000 kilometers of pipelines are laid at the bottom of the North Sea, some of which have been there for 40 years already. The world's largest vessel, Solitaire, is 300 meters long and about 40 meters wide.".

KSA should invest wisely and not into short term fanciful projects for developers to make quick money and disappear.
 
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No doubt built by foreigners to suck KSA money. KSA should be building Desalination plants after desalination plants to irrigate the deserts and increase food production. Why not make sea water ship trains (huge massive floating engineless water tankers) pulled by ships/barges/ or with mega engines to bring water from country where floods occur e.g Bangladesh, India etc to irrigate the deserts?

KSA should invest wisely and not into short term fanciful projects for developers to make quick money and disappear.

Read my post 2 and watch the videos posted. What you are writing is not accurate or has already been done. 50% of the water needs in KSA already rely on desalination and huge areas of desert has been turned into farmland/fertile lands. In other words reversing desertification.

Why engage in such stupid ideas when billions of liter of rainwater WITHIN KSA is wasted (outside of the mountainous regions were dams are present) as it floods into the Red Sea just in the Western region alone?

If you could store and collect that rainwater alone and use well-tested permaculture farming methods, you could turn Saudi Arabia into a huge agricultural powerhouse just by turning the coastal areas along the Red Sea into huge agricultural areas where you could produce every corps that you can think of. Rice, wheat etc. included.

Actually if the leadership of KSA is clever, they should use KSA as a huge project test for new technology in this regard. Nothing to lose but everything to gain.
 
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Read my post 2 and watch the videos posted. What you are writing is not accurate or has already been done. 50% of the water needs in KSA already rely on desalination and huge areas of desert has been turned into farmland/fertile lands. In other words reversing desertification.

Why engage in such stupid ideas when billions of liter of rainwater WITHIN KSA is wasted (outside of the mountainous regions were dams are present) as it floods into the Red Sea just in the Western region alone?
They should exceed the need and start exporting. They need to plan for long term economic sustainability beyond the oil economy. Why develop onto the sea when they have collosal amounts of land available, doesn't make sense?
 
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They should exceed the need and start exporting. They need to plan for long term economic sustainability beyond the oil economy. Why develop onto the sea when they have collosal amounts of land available, doesn't make sense?

Actually KSA is one of the biggest agricultural exporters in West Asia/Arab world and the domestic agricultural sector has been growing by each year. See the data in the link that I posted about this.

They are even completely self-reliant when it comes to dairy products. You will find Saudi Arabian agricultural products in the region very often.


I agree, continue to reverse desertification and turn lands into farmlands/fertile lands, continue the focus on greenhouse agricultural production, aqua farms etc. I would focus on that before floating cities but I am not an expert.

Watch from minute 14:00 to 16:30 in this video below to understand what I mean with the Red Sea coastline.


This could be done in Pakistan as well along our entire Arabian Sea coastline which is why I found it very interesting.
 
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Interesting concept
A very interesting and strategic move I would say is how KSA is moving toward the West, Israel and Europe. It is doing this by turning away from Asia and Africa.

This is best seen in how NEOM is actually couple of miles from Israel and the Mediteranean. This suggests the country will move it's centre of gravity toward Europe and Israel. Clever move I must say!

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What do Negroes and Desi's have to offer? Nothing. What does Israel/the West have to offer? Everything. Just copy the Turks and you will succeed.

One day NEOM will be another Istanbul with bars, mosques, global trade and escort girls lubricating billion dollar deals. Desi's can come along to clean the toilets/. Negroes can be kept out.

Sadly I won't see this Saudia. Wait till 2080.
 
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A very interesting and strategic move I would say is how KSA is moving toward the West and Europe. It is doing this by turning away from Asia and Africa.

This is best seen in how NEOM is actually couple of miles from Israel and the Mediteranean. This suggests the country will move it's centre of gravity toward Europe and Israel. Clever move I must say!

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What do Negroes and Desi's have to offer? Nothing. What does Israel/the West have to offer? Everything. Just copy the Turks and you will succeed.

One day NEOM will be another Istanbul with bars, mosques, global trade and escort girls lubricating billion dollar deals. Desi's can come along to clean the toilets/. Negroes can be kept out.

Sadly I won't see this Saudia. Wait till 2080.

May Allah give you long life to see water world brother.
 
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May Allah give you long life to see water world brother.
We are all mortal and good thing it is so. My wife has already gone. I don't particularly want to live for long. Another decade to see my children consolidate their lives would be nice. I have done everything, almost. Good, bad and some terrible. I have some regrets but I cant fix them now. Non of us can go back in time. So death is kind of freedom waiting at the end. And that is nice.

We should not fear it providing we have done everything we wanted to. To not have lived is to fear death. But I have lived.Like I said another decade and I will go with a smile to my maker. Maybe even get to join my wife again!

Now that would be nice.
 
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No doubt built by foreigners to suck KSA money. KSA should be building Desalination plants after desalination plants to irrigate the deserts and increase food production. Why not make sea water ship trains (huge massive floating engineless water tankers) pulled by ships/barges/ or with mega engines to bring water from country where floods occur e.g Bangladesh, India etc to irrigate the deserts? Or perhaps over ground/undersea water pipelines to bring fresh water over. "Sea can go several kilometers deep. Laying a pipe at the bottom is a challenge. However, 6,000 kilometers of pipelines are laid at the bottom of the North Sea, some of which have been there for 40 years already. The world's largest vessel, Solitaire, is 300 meters long and about 40 meters wide.".

KSA should invest wisely and not into short term fanciful projects for developers to make quick money and disappear.

Saudi Arabia could funnel fresh water from the river mouths of Nile and Euphrates and Tigris, with huge network of pipes. The water would be pumped by electric pumps along the pipelines, with wind and/or solar power as energy source. This way massive amount of freshwater could be used to irrigate large swaths of Arabia, increasing the food production and greenery. In turn this could support 10X larger population and strengthen Saudi economy and long term power growth.
 
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@Indus Pakistan

The reality is that the entire world is built as a mirage of the Western world and Western world order. A sleeping giant like China (reemerging at least) is trying to change the status quo but it will probably be contained and fail to rival the Western cultural and economic outreach. To begin with the Chinese are very insular looking historically speaking, never creating any empires outside of their traditional lands/sphere of interest. The containment will be done by the usual suspects (Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, India, and dare I say Russia once Putin dies/is removed and they return to their fellow European/Western family that Russia belongs to).

A part of me beliefs that our military "elite", aside from the usual corruption, business/family etc. ties to the same West (none of it exists in regards to China) see where all this is going.

Interestingly enough Chinese people themsleves are some of the biggest Western-fixated people that I have ever met. If they had a choice they would ally themselves with the same Western world order!

So I don't blame KSA for looking towards the West. However as far as the location of NEOM goes, I think that a lot of this can be explained by the nearby Suez Canal. Have in mind that 15% (!), which is a huge number, of ALL world trade passes through it. I also think that a milder climate plays a role here and the combination of a pristine coastline, mountains and desert as well as a largely undeveloped and not very populated area plays a big role here.

Looking at history, the same West has played various Arab regimes against each other and helped keep it as a backwater since WW1. I would argue that this is a deliberate policy.

As for NEOM going that way (Western way), I am afraid that by 2080 the entire world will look like that for good and bad. I hope that this won't be the case but I will be dead by then (likely).


Anyway in recent months after extensive readings, I have realized that we are all prisoners/puppets in this modern-day Western construct that we call the world by large. The world has never in its history been this similar by large. It is actually a bit of a tragedy to think about. Youth from Congo to Papua New Guinea are all dreaming about the same things and trends like anywhere else by large.

Saudi Arabia could funnel fresh water from the river mouths of Nile and Euphrates and Tigris, with huge network of pipes. The water would be pumped by electric pumps along the pipelines, with wind and/or solar power as energy source. This way massive amount of freshwater could be used to irrigate large swaths of Arabia, increasing the food production and greenery. In turn this could support 10X larger population and strengthen Saudi economy and long term power growth.

Not realistic. It would be better to harvest the billions of liter of wasted rainwater that runs directly form the large mountain areas of KSA into the Red Sea as described in the video that I posted. That alone could turn a landmass the 3-4 times the size of Bangladesh into fertile lands.

When I lived in KSA, when it flooded it really flooded. Due to the arid soil (largely) large rainfall turned into floods really quickly.





Also due to remarkably lack of drainage sewage system in some places.

As far as population goes, by 2100 populations will decrease everywhere and numbers will play a much smaller role given technology and automatization (robotics). Have in mind that Arabia today has a population of 100 million. In fact the Arab world has a too big population. I read that by 2050-2060 it will approach 800-1 billion. Not sure how realistic that is with climate changes etc. A recipe for disaster IMO.

We are all mortal and good thing it is so. My wife has already gone. I don't particularly want to live for long. Another decade to see my children consolidate their lives would be nice. I have done everything, almost. Good, bad and some terrible. I have some regrets but I cant fix them now. Non of us can go back in time. So death is kind of freedom waiting at the end. And that is nice.

We should not fear it providing we have done everything we wanted to. To not have lived is to fear death. But I have lived.Like I said another decade and I will go with a smile to my maker. Maybe even get to join my wife again!

Now that would be nice.

My condolences. Sad to hear. I hope that you will find some strength to keep going. Even when Pakistan is sinking at the moment. Children are life's biggest blessing. Nothing comes close to it. Seeing them grow up is enough reason to keep yourself alive IMO.

It is a privilege to have no regrets. Few people can say that.
 
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Anyway speaking about agriculture and Saudi Arabia, this country keeps surprising me in a good way.

Large mango farm:






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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KWjjJltQCQ

From the outside you would not have believed that half of those crops could grow in KSA and this well.
 
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The reality is that the entire world is built as a mirage of the Western world and Western world order.
100%. I am living endoresement of this fact in that I elect to live in the West. The fact is this is also validated by millions of other Pakistani's. Only differance is most will display typical hypocracy because while they continue to live here they denounce it at the same time. Bizzarely some of the biggest Western haters live in the West.

Anyway in recent months after extensive readings, I have realized that we are all prisoners/puppets in this modern-day Western construct that we call the world by large.
100% bang on. It is remarkable in how close your views rhyme with mine. I guess *great minds* think alike!

So I don't blame KSA for looking towards the West.
I don't blame it. I actually applaude it. In fact I am big fan of MBS. Love to see him recognise Israel and see all these 'tard' Paks here smothering on their own reflux ha ha ha!
 
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100%. I am living endoresement of this fact in that I elect to live in the West. The fact is this is also validated by millions of other Pakistani's. Only differance is most will display typical hypocracy because while they continue to live here they denounce it at the same time. Bizzarely some of the biggest Western haters live in the West.


100% bang on. It is remarkable in how close your views rhyme with mine. I guess *great minds* think alike!


I don't blame it. I actually applaude it. In fact I am big fan of MBS. Love to see him recognise Israel and see all these 'tard' Paks here smothering on their own reflux ha ha ha!

Indeed. It is actually a testament to how attractive the Western model is that even such people, supposedly staunch ant-Western people, continue to inhabit it rather than move somewhere else! I won't lie either, while I don't approve of all Western policies in regards to Pakistan and large parts of the Muslim world (the recent coup being an obvious point of contention) to put it mildly, I would never prefer the likes of China over it. To me China is a completely alien civilization. It could be due to racial (we are all Caucasians after all regardless of skin color), linguistic reasons or religious (Abrahamic family), exposure or whatever but honestly almost everything about China is completely foreign to me. Maybe this will change in 100 years if Chinese culture and language will gain an outreach similar to the Western ones but I hardly doubt that this will ever occur.

I like most of MBS reforms which are sound and realistic and the silencing/removal of most of the hardliners (clerics) that had hijacked KSA. His approach is much more organic and moderate than what we saw with Ataturk in the 1920's or the Shah in Iran but times have also changed. Anyway I am curious to see where KSA will be in 10-20 years time. From the outside they look to have a bright future but you can never know, less so in a region like West Asia which unfortunately has been ravaged by senseless wars, conflicts and useless leaders by large for way too long.

As for Israel, it would be ideal for peace to emerge and a two-state solution but not sure how realistic it is in the short term. Until that, I don't think that MBS will recognize Israel. Anyway what does it even matter, so many Muslim countries have already done so and most if not all of them have dealings with them directly or indirectly. Nothing on the ground changed the fact that Egypt, Turkey, Jordan and the many other Muslim-majority nations recognized Israel. I think that all this is about PR.
 
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