Why religion and politics don't go together.

[HannibalBarca]

All of humanity wants to improve itself, and some may even call that a purpose for existence.

Along the way, we may make the same mistakes due to a lack of knowledge or understanding, and even get carried away by emotion, but the end result is consistent with the concept of finite time. If we refuse to accept the nature of our existence, we may not achieve all that we as people or even whole civilisations had the potential to.

Yes... if "Being more advanced" is our Human/civilization purpose... and that is another debate... that is driven by an ideology who think that it can surpass their finite nature...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Islam. Islam mine. Islam yours. Real Islam. True Islam. And it goes on. While there maybe one Islam but the human ability to interpret things in million ways means often my take on Islam won't be same as the next guy. Indeed two people could end up up fighting and killing each other because they are so sure Allah is on their side. Whose actual side Allah is is never found out and something only to be seen in hereafter and since once you go over no one has yet come back to tell us "hey I was right Allah was on my side". Instead the two sides will keep praying on the graves of their dead and claim they died fighting for "the Islam". The only way out of this madness is everybody pulls back and instead focus on their own perspective of Islam and use that to better themselves as they will face account for their own actions. For instance when I leave the world non of you guys will be able to remedy or help the accountability I face. I will face it for my actions. NOT OTHERS.


What I am saying is we need to remove Islam from the dirty, grubby world of politics. Because when religion fuses with politics it only creates more schism and chaos. All it manages to do is turn Islam into a slogan. A cheap tool to be used for gread and power.

A great example of this can be seen by the Azadi March of JUI-F by Maulana Diesel. This is a man who claims to represent Islam and has considerable support in some parts of the country. Yet is he face of Islam? That can't be it. I know it is reasy to dismiss him but we can't ignore that he has plenty of support and will claim as vocally as any others that he is the carrier of the banner of Islam. You can say no but this only goes back to my opening paragraph.

Thoughts people?

Din can't be a tool for Siyaset!!! However, Siyaset can be a tool for Din....

Since politics divides the society in a "democratic" country along the party lines, those serving the Faith better not directly take part in politics, elections, public offices etc....

In this age of extreme Fitne and Fesat, intensified by the direct involvement of the Imperialists, it's best to keep politics away from mosques, schools and garrisons...

 

[SingHee]

Yes... if "Being more advanced" is our Human/civilization purpose... and that is another debate... that is driven by an ideology who think that it can surpass their finite nature...

It takes two to tango.

 

[Azadkashmir]

The choice is between -

• secular bastards
• bastards using Islam

I would go any day with regular bastard at least he does not fcuk you and then play pious. Then point to Allah as cover for his greed.

How is things in your IMF, Jew ran, capitalist abused ghetto?

How is your life as inferior gora wannabe.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Political Islam and radical Islam are two different terms which should not be mixed. Muslims countries have Muslims in them but i don't see any Islam( same Justice system for rich and poor , powerful and weak, safety of life and honour of every individual, giving freedom to people to practice their beliefs without any fear, welfare system for poorest and unprivallged members of the society etc) yes secular countries have majority non Muslims in them but i do see Islamic morals and principles in their society and they are not bad when it come to Haqooq ul abaad. Our Mosques are full with namazi but Islamic character is lacking in people and they are involve in all sort of wrong doing when come outside of the mosques and would not hesitate to kill each others over religious and political differences so you need to have strong moral and Islamic character in order to establish Islam at state level . Most Muslim countries even depend on financial assistance from United states and others western secular countries and financial instituations and have no intellectual depth needed to create an alternative economic and political system based on Islamic principles . Everything look fine in theory but implementation is hardest part

 

[Indus Pakistan]

How is your life as inferior gora wannabe.

Good. I am a suburban wannabe gora. Your a slumdog gora living in a ghetto. Is there a differance between us? Nah ...... !

*Now go to sleep before Papa Rothschild comes and gets you.

 

[VCheng]

What I am saying is we need to remove Islam from the dirty, grubby world of politics. Because when religion fuses with politics it only creates more schism and chaos. All it manages to do is turn Islam into a slogan. A cheap tool to be used for gread and power.

The Objectives Resolution clearly sets forth the requirements for all of Pakistan for as long as it remains in force, no matter what you or I or anyone else say in this regard. End of discussion.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The Objectives Resolution clearly sets forth the requirements for all of Pakistan for as long as it remains in force, no matter what you or I or anyone else say in this regard. End of discussion.

The Fugitive Slave Law passed by US Congress in 1850 pretty well screwed the Negros. If people had followed your "End of discussion" Kanye West and Obama might still have had dogs chasing them today. It took 100 years of effort and maturing into the civil rights movement for change to come. Lesson there for you I think.

 

[VCheng]

The Fugitive Slave Law passed by US Congress in 1850 pretty well screwed the Negros. If people had followed your "End of discussion" Kanye West and Obama might still have had dogs chasing them today. It took 100 years of effort and maturing into the civil rights movement for change to come. Lesson there for you I think.

LOL. Indulging your typical whataboutery, where is the comparable internal discussion and effort to even dream of challenging the Objectives Resolution from Pakistani society?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Indulging your typical whataboutery

Smile.

Oxford Dictionery.

• Whataboutery ~ anything said that is not in consonance with views held by Vcheng.

 

[VCheng]

Smile.

Oxford Dictionery.

• Whataboutery ~ anything said that is not in consonance with views held by Vcheng.

Great, but as I asked, where is the comparable internal discussion and effort to even dream of challenging the Objectives Resolution from Pakistani society?

If Pakistani society accepts and indeed supports what the OR says, then their right to determine the direction of the country accordingly must be respected. Some societies evolve constantly, like USA, while others remain on the same course, no matter what.

Both models deliver the destined results for their constituents.

Furthermore, if Pakistanis want sharia to be enforced as the law of the land, their right to have it must also be respected. After all, PMIK wants to follow the Riasat-e-Medina model. We should wish him every success in implementing it.

Is it the end of discussion now or do you wish to proceed further?

(BTW, I agree with you that the OR is the root of the problems facing Pakistan today, so no dissonance here, without needing any whataboutery. )

 

[Azadkashmir]

Good. I am a suburban wannabe gora. Your a slumdog gora living in a ghetto. Is there a differance between us? Nah ...... !

*Now go to sleep before Papa Rothschild comes and gets you.

wow your so intelligent. Gora pa-ki living in posh ends of London, away from the hard knock ghetto life.
now go home and eat pork.

 

[Rafi]

Pakistan in practice is secular, which is a good thing, I think people get confused and think secularism is against religion, but the way the US and the UK practice it is totally fine.

 

[Zarvan]

Islam. Islam mine. Islam yours. Real Islam. True Islam. And it goes on. While there maybe one Islam but the human ability to interpret things in million ways means often my take on Islam won't be same as the next guy. Indeed two people could end up up fighting and killing each other because they are so sure Allah is on their side. Whose actual side Allah is is never found out and something only to be seen in hereafter and since once you go over no one has yet come back to tell us "hey I was right Allah was on my side". Instead the two sides will keep praying on the graves of their dead and claim they died fighting for "the Islam". The only way out of this madness is everybody pulls back and instead focus on their own perspective of Islam and use that to better themselves as they will face account for their own actions. For instance when I leave the world non of you guys will be able to remedy or help the accountability I face. I will face it for my actions. NOT OTHERS.


What I am saying is we need to remove Islam from the dirty, grubby world of politics. Because when religion fuses with politics it only creates more schism and chaos. All it manages to do is turn Islam into a slogan. A cheap tool to be used for gread and power.

A great example of this can be seen by the Azadi March of JUI-F by Maulana Diesel. This is a man who claims to represent Islam and has considerable support in some parts of the country. Yet is he face of Islam? That can't be it. I know it is reasy to dismiss him but we can't ignore that he has plenty of support and will claim as vocally as any others that he is the carrier of the banner of Islam. You can say no but this only goes back to my opening paragraph.

Thoughts people?

Islam and Politics always go together. Those tho say other wise have no clue about Islam or their knowledge of Islam is worse than that of Abu Juhal and Abu Lahab. For GOD sake Islam is not a religion get this on your mind for all times to come. Islam is a complete system with laws for everything from crimes to economy to social in other words each and every aspect of Islam. Those who say take Islam out of politics need to first learn Islam because if they would have given this opinion in front of 4 Caliphs of Islam trust me the least they would have faced is Jail.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Functioning only as a tool for the Government, what?

If the religion goes irrelevant then it probably wasn't meant to be. Are you implying that Islam needs a Government to keep it afloat? Think before you hit enter.



We all believe that Islam will prevail till judgement day, but your belief is weak, you believe that Islam needs a Government which enforces it to keep it afloat. That is extremely sad.

Where did I say that was the only use of religion? You are claiming something which I never said.

The state needs to detail acceptable and unacceptable practice of religion, namely which does not interfere negatively with the security of the state, general peace, the rights of other religious groups and minorities.

All this was in the context of JUIF, JI, LeJ, TTP, radical Salafi/Wahabbi groups, HT, TLP and radical Shia groups.

For this reason, religion should be part of the affairs of the state and education about religion should be mandatory in every educational setting.

Moving on, the political realm is a very important sphere of Islamic teachings, and actually establishment of a Khilafat and giving bayah is mandatory in Islam.

We are commanded to judge and rule by what Allah swt has sent down. For this purpose it is imperative that we bring Islam into our system of governance and then further the influence of our state over religious institutions in our country.