Why Rajapaksa is good for economy

[Saradiel]

If one thing we should give credit to our media for going after leaders irrespective of their popularity.
Is Sri Lanka's media actively supporting corruption?
Suprised to know.

yes indian media highlight corruption and go after them...but in SL media AVOID publicising corruption deals. So general public is ignorant about it. And even those who get to know justifies and white wash them because corruption by their favorite politicians is ok

In other words yes our media and a section of our PUBLIC does support corruption!

 

[Gibbs]

yes indian media highlight corruption and go after them...but in SL media AVOID publicising corruption deals. So general public is ignorant about it. And even those who get to know justifies and white wash them because corruption by their favorite politicians is ok

In other words yes our media and a section of our PUBLIC does support corruption!

Bro i dont think it's support per se.. But more of tolerance certainly from the supporters of the regime.. Some people cannot look beyond the color of the political party they support, Even at the detriment of the country and themselves.. Thats just the immaturity of the voters in third world democracies i'm sure it's the same in other post colonial societies like India and Pakistan

As for the media.. It's more of self censorship in Sri Lanka more than supporting the govt.. The highly threatening environment in the country against free press may lead to some media to do that.. But there are one or two that bravely report independently in the face of grave threats.. I think it would be unfair to them if we say all Lankan media are supportive of the corruption and the regime

As for India.. Indeed it's free press and media is actually a testament to it's democracy.. Indians should be proud of it

 

[Saradiel]

Bro i dont think it's support per se.. But more of tolerance certainly from the supporters of the regime.. Some people cannot look beyond the color of the political party they support, Even at the detriment of the country and themselves.. Thats just the immaturity of the voters in third world democracies i'm sure it's the same in other post colonial societies like India and Pakistan

As for the media.. It's more of self censorship in Sri Lanka more than supporting the govt.. The highly threatening environment in the country against free press may lead to some media to do that.. But there are one or two that bravely report independently in the face of grave threats.. I think it would be unfair to them if we say all Lankan media are supportive of the corruption and the regime

As for India.. Indeed it's free press and media is actually a testament to it's democracy.. Indians should be proud of it

agree with the point. When i said "we can say media in SL and a certian section of public support corruption" it was in the sense being silent on such wrongs itself is a support

About media, yes media in SL is under a self censorship. They are not acting the way they should act. Interestingly the social media does the role of media better than them. At the same time there is censorship from government.

It is not only immaturity but selfishness as well. I dont have any problem with supporting gover, it is democratical right but when they support wrongs like corruption, then it is a problem. I will tell you the main reasons or excuses regime supporters give.
1. Past governments and politicians of the past also did corruption, so it does not matter the current one does.
2. They have constructed the road infront of us, MPs from that party helped to enroll my child to a good school, stuff like that
3. They are nationalist in a wierd way and do not heed to tamils devolution demand...
4. Corruption is always there

So giving these excuses, they help to maintain the current system

 

[HeinzG]

අනේ තෝ වගේ ගොන් මෝඩ හරකෙක්!
It is not my theory. That is the standard energy management plan adopted by every country. තෝ දන්න මගුලක් කතා කරපිය. For your information I am an energy engineer. The ones who criticized the energy management plan were Prof Rathnasiri of UoM, Sri Lanka energy forum director and another expert called Anil Cabraal. All of them said this plan is not good and very costly for SL.
And මැට්ටෝ, so called Mahinda Chinthana also said of an energy management plan similar to what I said. Did MR find it not effective all of a sudden?

It is always good to have a plan to meet the future energy demands and to overt any energy crisis. However that does not mean such a plan is effective to implement in short term. Gov. has opted for coal for that reason. It is the best alternative to our over dependence in diesel power plants. Gov. intends to cut the power generation costs by reducing it's dependence on diesel.

The reality is this coal centric powerplants were part of business deals of MR and his family and friends. Because one of their companies are importing coal for SL.
Imagine you have coal power plants all over and you also has the monopoly to import coal. අනේ ඇයි මගේ රටේ තොපි වගේ හරක් ජාතක වුණේ?

So what is your point? Is the coal supplier the main culprit of N'cholai plant?

And again talk about things you know. How production cost for solar, wind and thermal is are high? I guess you have no idea about what you are talking about but choosing tid bits to defend this unimaginably corrupt government. Production cost for these are low, but capital cost is high. But if you have regular sunshine and wind energy potential it is always good.

Correction. Yes. Capital cost is high. Energy generation cost is low.

How is it is not effective for SL? Receiving sunshine 365 days a year is itself makes it effective. Even Scandinavian countries like Sweden (which lack sunshine) invest in solar. Saying solar power is not effective in SL is one of the stupidest things to say. And the research and development in this area is huge. We will not have solar plants today, but by the time we have it in 20 years it will be much more effective and profitable.

Yes I know there is a gov. sponsored initiative in Nordic countries to promote solar energy. We should follow suit. However AFAIK solar energy generation / wind energy generation is not economical as the more conventional type energy generation methods for mass production. You can correct me if I'm wrong. Is there any country which has a total dependence on renewable energy alone for meeting it's energy demand?

When rain falls down we shift to non renewable energy sources. That is how it functions. When we have rain we use it, when we don’t we shift it. That is how energy management works. Are you saying we should shut down all our hydro plants because they are unpredictable? You don’t know a sh1t about how these plants work.

The point I raised about the mafia comes into effect in this shift. Most of the diesel power plants operated in Sri Lanka are owned by this mafia. They want CECB to use their plants instead of other more economical option CECB has. That's why Kukuleganga turbines were broken. That is why at one particular time flood gates were opened prematurely in the upcountry reservoirs. So there is a certain suspicion that this said mafia may be involved in the break down of N'cholai plant. If you're in the energy business you should know better.

 

[DarkSeid]

The point I raised about the mafia comes into effect in this shift. Most of the diesel power plants operated in Sri Lanka are owned by this mafia. They want CECB to use their plants instead of other more economical option CECB has.

Why do you all use CECB which is irrelevant instead of CEB?
CECB - Central Engineering Consultancy Bureau
CEB - Ceylon Electricity Board

The point I raised about the mafia comes into effect in this shift. Most of the diesel power plants operated in Sri Lanka are owned by this mafia.

What is this mafia? Please elaborate.

 

[HeinzG]

Why do you all use CECB which is irrelevant instead of CEB?
CECB - Central Engineering Consultancy Bureau
CEB - Ceylon Electricity Board

Sorry I've used to the word CECB. It should be CEB.

What is this mafia? Please elaborate.

Ceylon Today | Private Power Mafia

The Island

Luxapana & Wimalasurendra to conk out?

Hope you will understand the issue.

 

[DarkSeid]

Sorry I've used to the word CECB. It should be CEB.
Ceylon Today | Private Power Mafia
The Island
Luxapana & Wimalasurendra to conk out?
Hope you will understand the issue.

According to these article writers, there are several mafias inside the CEB. One can say even the dispatching is also a mafia as it is done according to a priority order list.
As per Kukule Ganga, it is not a quite successful project. It could have been a larger reservoir instead of run-off river type with over 100MW capacity. See the huge opportunity cost of spillway water in a rainy season.
Nothing will change with the present government as even the minister doesn't know the difference between MW & GW,

 

[HeinzG]

Nothing will change with the present government as even the minister doesn't know the difference between MW & GW,

Ministers doesn't need to know any technical matters about his subject ministry. The officials are there to sort out the technical matters. If something goes wrong such as the case in Kukeleganga, the blame should be solely on the officials. Politicians will only take decision with politics in their minds. The officials has to support the minister with technical stuff.

 

[DarkSeid]

Ministers doesn't need to know any technical matters about his subject ministry.

Even a dummy will do better than the most of these idiotic ministers. Is knowing GW, MW a technical matter? It is the general knowledge.

. If something goes wrong such as the case in Kukeleganga, the blame should be solely on the officials. Politicians will only take decision with politics in their minds. The officials has to support the minister with technical stuff.

Who are these higher officials? Almost all are appointed by the minister or directly by MR. Under the present corrupted system unfortunately, politicians are the ultimate decision makers not others. It is valid for most of the completed and ongoing projects. What was the reason behind the removal of Mr. Champika from the ministry?

 

[HeinzG]

අනේ තෝ දන්න මඟුල.
I too am an engineer and what you say can never ever happen given that people involved in it is very small number out of the total. The only argument which you fail at every attempt is, ‘we cant take action against engineers because country would go dark’…..ඉංජන්ට තියෙන බයක්! අනේ යකෝ !
CECB is the biggest employer of electrical engineers in SL and they have hundreds of them. The persons reported to have involved in it are few people. CECB can very well function without them even while SLG takes action against them. According to your theory lets assume if engineers were involved in a murder plot, SL criminal law won’t take action against them because SL can go dark!

EE operate as a collective. This is the main reason why it is hard for any gov. to take direct actions against them. This issue is also prevalent in CGR, SLMC etc.,

It is pathetic and a tragedy you have to depend on extremely stupid theories to defend corruption and mismanagement in this country.
And ගොන් පුතේ as i said in a previous post a few number of EEs are not the problem in Norochcholai, but its agreement, its execution, gover’s not inspecting its building and NOT selecting a suitable builder were all reasons. These are not related to few EEs sabotaging operation in few instances in Kukuleganga.
yeah what can you say? As people who defend every corruption ආණ්ඩුවේ ඕනම බලු වැඩක් in SLyou should have some stupid theory.

How are you so sure about the building design is bad? Can you provide any evidence or link?

About bolded part: This shows how much you are ignorant on power plants. EEs are NOT informed because they need not. EEs are not the consultants in such projects. EE’s scope is a different one and their consultancy is required only when electrical field is needed. The consultants for such a project should be energy engineers, mechanical engineers or chemical engineers. The point is such a consultation has NOT been sought. That is what I mentioned last time. Please use your grey matter when reading. That was the poor planning from gover side.
The existing consultants did not have the right according to the agreement to check whether it is going well. I repeat consultants were blocked by the agreement. The agreement was between the two governments which your MR blindly signed.

Well EE forms the top managerial ranks in CEB. Aren't they? They are the decision makers. Besides the consultancy of energy engineers comes in project planning. What I reffered was the construction stage. I think the civil consultant was CECB. Anyway projects likes this don't go with out mechanical consultants if it has happened then it is a error of CECB.

We making a mistake in coal power production is a separate thing. This is not the first time SL sought foreign help in a big scale power plant installation.
Project planning, reading and understanding an agreement, seeking expertise and forming a proper consultation group does not require experience in handling coal power plants. That is a simple trait expected in carrying out any project. The exact plan SLG did NOT follow. Had SL acted with professionalism this could have been avoided.

Who do you refer to by mentioning SLG? The precedent? or the minister? Who come they are responsible for technical matters such as Project planning, reading and understanding an agreement, seeking expertise and forming a proper consultation group; Aren't professionals such as project managers, engineers, architects responsible for that?

And another thing, if we are doing it for the first time, should not we look into it MORE and do it with MORE cautiousness? It is just plain stupid and pathetic to say hey we wasted 1350 m dollar (much more considering recommissioning and repairing) because it is our first time…
And it was not our first time only. The construction company which built it has not done a coal power plant before. (who the hell will have agreement with it?) SL was their trial with our money!! Your stupid gover could not come with a proper agreement even after selecting the worst contractor!

Don't spill lies. The fact is that due to your hatred of MR and Sandhana gov. you have lost your rationality.

The contractor for N'cholai was CMEC. and China only loaned 450M. The rest was from SLG.

CMEC is a subsidiary of the state-owned giant China National Machinery Industry Corporation (SINOMACH), the 326th largest company in the world in 2013. CMEC mainly undertakes contracting in engineering projects in the power, transport and telecommunications sectors. CMEC has already been involved in the ZETES 2 1200 MW coal power plant project at Çatalağzı in Turkey, and is now undertaking a rehabilitation and installation of desulphurisation equipment at the Kostolac power plant in Serbia, which is expected to be followed by the construction of a new 350 MW unit, B3.

CMEC | Kings of Coal

What breakdowns did Wimalasurendra plant faces? Please tell me? Was it also due to gover’s improper agreement and improper planning?

Don't know only heard it broke down in the first few years due to technical difficulties.

 

[Azizam]

Sri Lanka election: president Mahinda Rajapaksa concedes defeat

Rajapaksa, the longest-serving leader in South Asia, is known as the man who ended Sri Lanka’s brutal 26-year-civil war, in which an estimated 80,000 to 100,000 people died.

But he was seeking an unprecedented third term as President (his government changed the constitution to allow it), and there was increasing resistance against what critics alleged was an increasingly authoritarian and dynastic rule. The President’s three brothers all held senior government posts, and his son, Namal, was being groomed as a successor.

Sri Lanka’s armed forces, ultimately under his command, were heavily criticised for alleged war crimes in the final months of the civil conflict. A United Nations report in 2011 found 40,000 civilians had been killed in the final months of fighting.

And Rajapaksa was also criticised for failing to genuinely embrace Sri Lanka’s Tamil ethnic minority in the aftermath of the war which may have cost between 80,000 and 100,000 lives.

Disaffection with democratic rollbacks - his government came into fierce conflict with the Supreme Court and other democratic institutions - and with a prolonged economic slump, also contributed to a rising unpopularity.


Sri Lanka election: president Mahinda Rajapaksa concedes defeat - live | World news | The Guardian




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Even though leaving the seat peacefully is the norm in a functioning democracy, unfortunately, a country like Sri Lanka is not very used to it so I respect MRs decision to step down from power peacefully.





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@T-Faz

Can you please rename the title of this thread as "Discussions and News Regarding Sri Lankan Politics"? Or any appropriate name suitable for general discussions.

Thanks in advance.