Why Pakistan unable to develop its own Air defence System

[Super Falcon]

Today we are building missiles like rad shaheen harbah we have tech why can't we build our own integrated air defense system India turkey Korea Iran all developing on their own Air defence Systems

 

[aviator_fan]

Today we are building missiles like rad shaheen harbah we have tech why can't we build our own integrated air defense system India turkey Korea Iran all developing on their own Air defence Systems

More tech needed than a fire and forget missile: communications, sensors, software that can detect, identify, track etc. Basically much more technically sophisticated. This is not unique to Pakistan: many countries build airplanes/missiles but haven't progressed to SAMs because either not worth it or opportunity cost too high and focus more on offensive power.

 

[Super Falcon]

More tech needed than a fire and forget missile: communications, sensors, software that can detect, identify, track etc. Basically much more technically sophisticated. This is not unique to Pakistan: many countries build airplanes/missiles but haven't progressed to SAMs because either not worth it or opportunity cost too high and focus more on offensive power.

Times have passed those many countries like turkey now developing it's on Sam system we never had nuke tech we tried to get and develop it more sophisticated than Sam tech if we have will this can be done too

 

[Abid123]

Cause we are incompetent bunch of people. Both North Korea and Iran are isolated and sanctioned countries yet they have their own indigenous long range SAM systems. Iran has the Bavar-373 and NK has KN-06.

 

[Super Falcon]

Cause we are incompetent bunch of people. Both North Korea and Iran are isolated and sanctioned countries yet they have their own indigenous long range SAM systems. Iran has the Bavar-373 and NK has KN-06.

Yes this the point but I don't agree we are incompetent our military think tank in past never gave any importance to air defence but keep buying tanks

If you look few years behind we purchased LY 80 other than that we did not have any proper air defence shield just Italian made ASPIDE 200 which is not a complete air defence systems just to provide air cover from enemy air attacks on military bases and we lacked medium and high altitude air defence systems this was a big negligence by past generals or military planners I still think Pak must have two different types of long range air defence system and atleast 3 medium range air defence system and couple of short range systems

Not to forget we have to work on as anti ballistic missiles shield too

 

[touela]

Well one solution is always to cooperate with friendly allies and develop and thus gain knowledge and know how

 

[Communism]

Pakistan uses U.S. doctrine of getting rid of anything that lowers air force budgets.


This means getting rid of all air defense to make sure air force gets a bigger budget.

 

[CrazyZ]

Its called Anza and JF-17. Pakistan's AD strategy is centered around Manpads and PAF fighter AC. This approach has worked well for Ukrainians in the current conflict. Look at the various ME conflicts were expensive integrated SAM AD systems have been pretty useless. That said.....I actually think Pakistan should work on a domestic long range SAM project......it can be 60% local made and 40% made of imported components as well as an advanced AAA system.

 

[Communism]

Its called Anza. Pakistan's AD strategy is centered around Manpads and PAF fighter AC. This approach has worked well for Ukrainians in the current conflict. Look at the various ME conflicts were expensive integrated SAM AD systems have been pretty useless.

The entire reason why Russia's air force has been mostly neutralized during the Ukraine conflict is due to Ukraine's enormous quantity of soviet era air defense.


Thats the whole reason for the Iranian suicide drones being such a huge thing in this conflict.


It's to deal with Ukraine's substantial soviet era air defenses.


Manpads only work if you are forcing the opposing air force from flying high with your medium range and long range air defenses.


If you are not doing that, manpads do nothing.

 

[LeGenD]

Today we are building missiles like rad shaheen harbah we have tech why can't we build our own integrated air defense system India turkey Korea Iran all developing on their own Air defence Systems

Anza...

 

[CrazyZ]

The entire reason why Russia's air force has been mostly neutralized during the Ukraine conflict is due to Ukraine's enormous quantity of soviet era air defense.


Thats the whole reason for the Iranian suicide drones being such a huge thing in this conflict.


It's to deal with Ukraine's substantial soviet era air defenses.


Manpads only work if you are forcing the opposing air force from flying high with your medium range and long range air defenses.


If you are not doing that, manpads do nothing.

The most high profile kills in this war were made by Ukrainian fighter AC and Manpads or other shorter range AD. Soviet era AD are routinely jammed, fooled by decoys, or evaded by flying low (which is way the Manpads are very useful) in numerous conflicts including the current one. Even expensive top shelve GCC AD equipment can not shoot down Iranian/Houthi drones. Anti-AC-Artillery is more useful against drones then long range Sams.

 

[Communism]

The most high profile kills in this war were made by Ukraine fighter AC and Manpads or other shorter range AD. Soviet era AD are routinely jammed, fooled by decoys, or evaded by flying low (which is way the Manpads are very useful) in numerous conflicts including the current one. Even expensive top shelve GCC AD equipment can not shoot down Iranian/Houthi drones. Anti-AC-Artillery is more useful against drones then long range Sams.

Ukrainian fighters did jack squat this war.


As I said, manpads do nothing unless you force your enemy to fly low.


The only way to force your enemy to fly low is to have overwhelming amounts of medium range and long range air defenses.



The entire reason why Iranian loitering munitions are being used instead of simply bombing with Russia's enormous air force is due to the extensive soviet era air defenses that Ukraine has.

 

[Goritoes]

We made DHA, no Army can build that

 

[omegared]

Sometimes it's better to focus on what we can do and buy the best off the shelf option, for what we can't do.

We can't be world class at everything, even China can't manage that.

Best Idea is to focus on core technologies for defence that we can do and partner with other reliable allies.
We would struggle to make Jet engines or S500/Patriot systems.
The JF17 is a success story and HQ-9 is not bad, but we should work with China or Turkey on a better option for high altitude SAMS.


Plus let's get real here.
If only our armed forces invested the time and effort in these technologies
as much as they do into dealing plots, taking kickbacks, papa John franchises, killing journalists and making videos to blackmail,
we would get somewhere.

 

[CrazyZ]

Ukrainian fighters did jack squat this war.

They made a difference in the Battle of Kiev.

The entire reason why Iranian loitering munitions are being used instead of simply bombing with Russia's enormous air force is due to the extensive soviet era air defenses that Ukraine has.

SAM based AD are not effective against modern drones and missiles. This has been proven booth in the ME and Ukraine.

Considering the costs of modern SAM AD systems.....are they worth it?? Not really, IMO. Resources are better spent on offensive systems like Raad, Harbah, Shaheen and drones....which can destroy enemy AC on the ground.