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The first and only country to receive F-14 Tomcat was, The Nirouyeh Havaiyeh Shahanshahiye Iran, or Imperial Iranian Air Force.
Soviet MiG-25 Foxbat had regularly been flying unrestricted over Iranian territory, and IIAF had no mean of intercepting these high-speed intruders. Thus, the search for a new fighter/interceptor begun. Iranian pilots were virtually flown and tested every fighter available at the time including MiG's (some done secretly in other countries). The final report which indicated pro's and con's of each fighter suggested the F-14 Tomcat and F-15 Eagle as the best fighters. In August of 1973, the IIAF selected the F-14 Tomcat ( From 1970 Iraq was in contact with French government to equip their Air Force with Mirage F-1, this was another factor for IIAF to choose F-14 and start planning for purchase, operation and training for F-14). The initial order signed in January of 1974 covered 30 Tomcats, but in June 50 more were added to the contract.At the same time, the Iranian government-owned Bank-e-Melli stepped in, and agreed to loan Grumman $75 million to partially make up for a US government loan of $200 million to Grumman, which had just been cancelled. This loan save the F-14 program and enabled Grumman to secure a further loan of $125 million from a consortium of American banks, ensuring at least for the moment that the F-14 program would continue. Thanks to Bank-e-Melli.

The Iranian Tomcats were virtually identical to the US Navy version, with only a few classified avionics items being omitted. The base site for Iranian Tomcat operations was at Isfahan’s (Khatami Air Force Base) and 1 Squadron at Shiraz Tactical Fighter Base. Imperial Iranian Air Force aircrews began to arrive in the USA for training in May of 1974,The crew were mainly veteran F-4 pilots.
The first 4 pilots who came to "Miramar Naval Base" in California for F-14 training were:
General Abdolhosain Minousepehr (Commander of Khatami AFB).
Major Mojtaba Zangeneh
Major Mohammad Farahawar
Capt. Kazem Heidarzadeh
Shortly after, the second group went to "Oceana Naval Base" in Virginia. They were:
Capt. Jamshid Afshar.
Capt. Hosein Taghdis.
Capt. Hassan Afghantoloee.
Capt. Jalil Moslemi.
Capt. Abolfazl Hooshyar.
Capt. Reza Attaee.
Capt. Bahram Ghaneii.
Capt. Mohammad Pyrasteh.
Capt. Abbas Amiraslani.
Capt. Shahram Roostami.
Capt. Javad Shookraii.
After completion of F-14 training in USA they became F-14 Instructor pilots. After returning to Isfahan they started training the rest of the pilots with the cooperation of 4 American F-14 Instructors which was part of contract.
Major Farahawar flew one of the F-14 from USA to Iran.
Major Zangeneh was the Iranian pilot who tested the "Phoenix" missile in USA.
(The Islamic regime purged all of them from Air Force, except "Rostami" and "Attaee" .)

The Iranian Tomcats were fairly late on the production line, and were therefore delivered with the TF30-P-414 engine, which was much safer than the compressor-stall-prone P-412 engine. The first 2 of 79 Tomcats arrived in Iran in January of 1976. By May of 1977, when Iran celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Royal House, 12 had been delivered. At this time, the Soviet MiG-25 Foxbats were still making a nuisance of themselves by flying over Iran, and the Shah ordered live firing tests of the Phoenix to be carried out as a warning. In August of 1977, IIAF crews shot down a BQM-34E drone flying at 50,000 feet, and the Soviets took the hint and Foxbat over flights promptly ended.

The IIAF Tomcats bore the US Navy serial numbers of 160299/160378, and were assigned the IIAF serial numbers 3-863 to 3-892 and 3-6001 to 3-6050. The last of 79 Tomcats were delivered to Iran in 1978. The last Iranian Tomcat (BuNo 170378) was retained in the USA for use as a test bed. Iran also ordered 714 AIM-54A Phoenix missiles, but only 284 had been delivered at the time. Toward the end of the 1970s most suppliers were cancelled by the new government, including an order for 400 AIM-54A Phoenix missiles.

Imposition of a strict arms embargo against Iran by the West caused a severe spare parts and maintenance problem, with many pilots and maintenance personnel following the Shah into exile. As a result, by 1980 the Iranian Air Force was only a shadow of its former self. This embargo was to have an especially severe long-term effect on the Tomcat fleet, since the embargo prevented the delivery of any spares.

The Iran-Iraq war began on September 22, 1980 with an Iraqi air attack on six Iranian air bases and four Iranian army bases. It was followed by an Iraqi land attack at four points along a 700-kilometer front. Air power did not play a dominant role in the Iran-Iraq war. During the first phase of the war, Iranian aircraft had the fuel and the endurance to win most of these aerial encounters, either by killing Iraqi aircraft with their first shot of an AIM-9 sidewinder or else by forcing Iraqi fighters to withdraw. Iranian pilots had the edge in training and experience, but as the war dragged on, this edge was gradually lost because of the repeated purges within the ranks of the Iranian officers which removed experienced officers and pilots who were suspected of disloyalty to the Islamic regime. The Iranians could not generate more than 30-60 sorties per day, whereas the number of sorties that Iraq could mount steadily increased year after year, reaching a peak as high as 600 in 1986-88.

It is extremely difficult to get any reliable estimates of just how many Iranian F-14As were in service at any one time during the war, with planes having been deliberately cannibalized to keep some flying. In the summer of 1984, it is estimated that Iran could fly only 15-20 Tomcats, maintaining them largely by cannibalization. Very often, Tomcat served in a mini-AWACS role by virtue of their powerful radars and was deliberately not risked in combat.

The Iraqi high command had order all it's pilots not to engage with F-14 and do not get close if F-14 is known to be operating in the area. Usually the presence of Tomcats was enough to scare the enemy and send the Iraqi fighters back.

The Iranian F-14s scored most of their kills with AIM-54A Phoenix missiles during the war with Iraq losing only one Tomcat in combat when it got cut off-guard by a MiG-21 (Pilot "Ale Agha" and Rio...??. Lost their life).
Another Tomcat was lost due to loss of control when the aircraft entered in spin (Both pilot and RIO Ejected).
And a Ground to air missile hit another Tomcat over "Khark" island (Pilot was Capt. Hazin).

It is documented that Iranian F-14As have shot down Iraqi fighters, including Mirage F1s, SU-22, MiG-21, MiG-23, and MiG-25. An Iranian Tomcat scored a kill against an Iraqi Mirage F1 as late as the spring of 1988.

Iranian capabilities in this area may have taken place on February 11, 1985, when 25 Iranian F-14A Tomcats took a mass fly by over Tehran. In spite of the Western arms embargo, Iran been able to maintain a more-or-less steady supply of spare parts for its fleet of Tomcats, from Iranian aircraft industries based at 1st tactical air base in Tehran. The number of Tomcats in service with Iran is reported as many as 60 aircrafts. Some of these parts also seem to have been smuggled into Iran by Israel. Also there is rumor of Russians provided assistance to upgrade tomcats aging airframe. US government supplied arms to Iran in exchange for its assistance in getting hostages held in Lebanon released.

However, the AN/AWG-9 radar is certainly operational, and the Iranian Tomcats can fire AIM-9 Sidewinder and AIM-7 Sparrow missiles. Most Iranian Tomcats flew with a missile load of four Sparrows and two Sidewinders.

Rumors had been going about that Iranian F-14As had been fitted with the Russian made engine and ejection seat and has the capability to launch air-to-surface anti-ship missiles.

PERFORMANCE of Grumman F-14A Tomcat

Wing span: 19,45 m. (wings forward)

Wing span: 11,65 m. (wings swept)

Length: 19,10 m.

Height: 4,88 m.

Max. speed: Mach 2.34 (2517 km/h, 1564 mph.)

Empty weight: 39,310 lbs.(17830 kg.)

Max. weight: 74,348 lbs.(33724 kg.)

Power plant: two Pratt & Whitney TF30-P-414 afterburning turbofans

Thrust: 14,000 lbs.(6350 kg.) each

With Afterburner: 20,900 lbs.(9480 kg.) each

Iranian Tomcats Serials

160299 F-14A 3-863
160300 F-14A 3-864
160301 F-14A 3-865
160302 F-14A 3-866
160303 F-14A 3-867
160304 F-14A 3-868
160305 F-14A 3-869
160306 F-14A 3-870
160307 F-14A 3-871
160308 F-14A 3-872
160309 F-14A 3-873
160310 F-14A 3-874
160311 F-14A 3-875
160312 F-14A 3-876
160313 F-14A 3-877
160314 F-14A 3-878
160315 F-14A 3-879
160316 F-14A 3-880
160317 F-14A 3-881
160318 F-14A 3-882
160319 F-14A 3-883
160320 F-14A 3-884
160321 F-14A 3-885
160322 F-14A 3-886
160323 F-14A 3-887
160324 F-14A 3-888
160325 F-14A 3-889
160326 F-14A 3-890
160327 F-14A 3-891
160328 F-14A 3-892
160329 F-14A 3-8001
160330 F-14A 3-8002
160331 F-14A 3-8003
160332 F-14A 3-8004
160333 F-14A 3-8005
160334 F-14A 3-8006
160335 F-14A 3-8007
160336 F-14A 3-8008
160337 F-14A 3-8009
160338 F-14A 3-8010
160339 F-14A 3-8011
160340 F-14A 3-8012
160341 F-14A 3-8013
160342 F-14A 3-8014
160343 F-14A 3-8015
160344 F-14A 3-8016
160345 F-14A 3-8017
160346 F-14A 3-8018
160347 F-14A 3-8019
160348 F-14A 3-8020
160349 F-14A 3-8021
160350 F-14A 3-8022
160351 F-14A 3-8023
160352 F-14A 3-8024
160353 F-14A 3-8025
160354 F-14A 3-8026
160355 F-14A 3-8027
160356 F-14A 3-8028
160357 F-14A 3-8029
160358 F-14A 3-8030
160359 F-14A 3-8031
160360 F-14A 3-8032
160361 F-14A 3-8033
160362 F-14A 3-8034
160363 F-14A 3-8035
160364 F-14A 3-8036
160365 F-14A 3-8037
160366 F-14A 3-8038
160367 F-14A 3-8039
160368 F-14A 3-8040
160369 F-14A 3-8041
160370 F-14A 3-8042
160371 F-14A 3-8043
160372 F-14A 3-8044
160373 F-14A 3-8045
160374 F-14A 3-8046
160375 F-14A 3-8047
160376 F-14A 3-8048
160377 F-14A 3-8049 Remained in the U.S.A. for testing.
With the success of the Super Hornet to be the next generation Navy multi-purpose fighter, Tomcat 21 was sadly cancelled, but can the Super Hornet E/F really fill up F-14s presence's as the Navy's next generation interceptor and fleet protector? The section below will cover that.

F-14 Tomcat B/D

Type: Two seat carrier based multi-role fighter
Performance
Max Speed MACH 2.34 / 2,517km/hr at height
MACH 1.2 / 1,464km/hr at Sea Level
Combat Radius ( to and back ) 2,000 miles / 3,200 km
Climb rate at normal Gross weight 30,000ft / 9,144m mins
Service Ceiling Over 56,000ft / 17,067m
Thrust A- 20,900 pound
A+ and D 27,000 pound each
Weight
Empty 40,104lb / 18,191kg
internal fuel 16,200lb / 7,348kg
Load (clean) 58,715lb / 26,631kg
Maxiumum 74,349lb / 33,724kg

Armament
Up to 13,000 pounds of AIM-54 Phoenix missile, AIM-7 Sparrow missile, AIM-9 Sidewinder missile, air-to-ground ordnance, and one MK-61A1 Vulcan 20mm cannon. Ground ordnance includes Rockeye , CBU-59 cluster , GBU-16 LGB and Gator mines.

Overall
Although the F-14 Tomcat is able to carry out both air to air and air to ground mission, it was never intended to be a fighter-bomber but rather than a fighter interceptor. Only the F-14D Tomcat is able to carry ground ordnance and the first bombing was in Bosnia. The F-14 Tomcat is one of the best fighter interceptor in the world, it is able to track up to 24 targets and nail the most 6 treating targets 60 miles away. The Tomcat is also easily fitted with TARPS for reconnaissance missions, although each Tomcat cost about 40 million dollar each, it is definitely one of the most feared fighters in the world

F-18 E/F Super Hornet

Type: One and Two seat carrier based multi-role Strike fighter/Interceptor
Performance
Max Speed MACH +1.8 / + 1,936km/hr at height approx
Combat Radius ( to and back ) 1,290.8 miles / 2,074 km (no external fuel)
Thrust 22,000 pound each engine
Service Ceiling Over 50,000ft / 15,238m
Weight
Empty 40,104lb / 18,191kg
internal fuel 14,500 lb
Load (clean) 30,500 lb (approx)
Maxiumum 66,000 lb / 29,932 kg


Armament
One 20mm MK-61A1 Vulcan cannon; External payload: AIM 9 Sidewinder, AIM 7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Harpoon, Harm, Shrike, SLAM, SLAM-ER, Walleye, Maverick missiles; Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW); Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM); various general purpose bombs, mines and rockets.

Overall
Being 25 years younger then the Tomcat, the Super Hornet has an advantage in both stealth and modern day technology. Design to carry out both "air to air" and "air to ground" missions, the new generation of the F-18 Super Hornet offers more longer range, greater endurance, more payload-carrying ability, more powerful engines, increased carrier bring back capability, enhanced survivability and a renewed potential for future growth compared to its F-18 predecessor. The crew station also features a touch-sensitive, upfront control display, a larger, liquid crystal multipurpose color display and a new engine fuel display, making the Super Hornet one of the most sophisticated and ATF in the world

SO ??????

With more technological advanced weapon available to more unstable countries (such as the new generation of Migs and the new Russian Anti-ship missile), fleet defense has ever become more important. While the Super Hornet might be the next generation of the navy super fighter, there has been doubt whether if it can carry out air to air combat in long range distance. The Phoenix missile is designed especially for the F-14 Tomcat, it is able to destroy any given target within the range of 60 miles.

With the end of the cold war, governments in the western world are looking into more flexible and money saving equipment, such as the F-18 Hornet series which is known for little m (maintenance) and big R (reliability). The F-18 Super Hornet is definitely the more advanced technological fighter with superb air and ground capability at a cost of 35 million dollars (3 million dollar cheaper then the Tomcat), but the F-14 Tomcat is still the superior fighter because it is able to reach a longer distance and engage multiple targets and destroy them simultaneously (which is needed for the first line of defense in naval warfare), in a time of war and the protection of the fleet.

Only time will tell if it is a mistake to replace the F-14 Tomcat with F-18 Super Hornet as the carriers first line of defense.
F-14D Tomcat vs. F/18 E/F Super Hornet
Flight Journal Magazine ^ | February 2002 Issue | Bob Kress and RADM Gilchrist USN (Ret)

Posted on Friday, December 21, 2001 10:30:45 PM by LSUfan

Editors Note: Every airplane that goes into service is accompanied by controversy. This is especially true of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Our two experts argue that the Super Hornet is not necessarily the airplane the Navy needs for the future, and their backgrounds lend weight to their arguments. Rear Admiral Paul Gillcrist U.S. Navy (Ret.) spent 33 years as a fighter jet pilot and wing commander and was operations commander for all Pacific Fleet fighters. Bob Kress is an aeronautical engineer and, during his long career at Grumman, he was directly involved in the development of the F-14 Tomcat. Their analysis makes an interesting statement when placed against the background of the war on terrorism.

The requirement for a practical deep interdiction fighter/bomber have long been the subject of controversy within the naval aviation community, especially when it comes to the F-14D Tomcat versus the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Often, however, the definition of “deep interdiction” is changed to fit the aircraft carrier under discussion, rather than taking into account the real-world theater of operations for which it is destined.

Events over Afghanistan, however, have forced us to formalize what is really needed if an aircraft is to strike an enemy deep within its country. Today, we know that the politics of surrounding countries can dictate mission distances that stretch the ability of current aircraft to their limits. The U.S. relies on Navy aircraft carriers as bases. So, when putting fighter/bombers over Afghan targets, which aircraft led the charge? – the tried-and-true F-14D Tomcat with the F/A-18 Hornet well behind.

This particular conflict motivated us to address what we see as a serious problem concerning Naval aviation assets and the realities of the fields over which we will fight.

As shown over Afghanistan, there are four basic requirements of any carrier strike force:

Reach the target

Don’t get shot down by SAMs, AAA, or enemy fighters

Strike the target

Return to the carrier before running out of gas

Within these four seemingly simple rules are the needs for an airplane to have a long range while carrying sufficient munitions to hammer a target and still be able to fight its way through enemy aircraft and AAA threats.

An Afghanistan Scenario

Because our government isn’t telling us all its secrets, we’ll have to make some assumptions when using Afghanistan as an example. It is, however, obvious that reaching the target presents a great challenge. To avoid Silkworm-class missiles, the carrier battle group probably would not want to venture north of a line joining Masqat, Oman and Ahmadabad, Pakistan. Along this line, the group would be somewhat west of Karachi. Reaching Kabul would require a one-way flight of roughly 825 statute miles. Assuming the use of S-3 tankers, an F-14D strike, refueling somewhere between Quetta and Sukkur, Pakistan, wouldn’t have any trouble attacking targets in the northernmost parts of Afghanistan. If, however, an F/A-18E/F refuels in the same spot, it will barely make it to Kabul. The un-refueled radius of an F-14D carrying the normal strike load (four 2,000 pound LGBs, two Phoenix missiles, and two Sidewinders, plus 675 roundsof 20mm, and two, 280 gallon external tanks) is at least 500 statute miles.

Accompanying E/F Super Hornets have only a 350-statute-mile radius carrying about half the bomb load. To complete the picture of mission distances, the S-3s would have to dash back to the CVs, hot-refuel, and meet the raid coming out of Afghanistan, which would be much in need of JP-4 cocktails.

Why are we nit picking over mission details? Easy! At the beginning of the studies that led to this article, we were convinced that the Afghan campaign would be an all-USAF show, and that would lead to questions of carrier-fleet effectiveness. But map studies combined with knowledge of geopolitical restrictions showed that carrier assets, primarily the F-14D, were just about the U.S.’s only option. This has clearly been substantiated by events.

Of course, the F-14Ds were not the first to hit targets in Afghanistan; b-2 stealth bombers each carried 16, 2,000-pound GPS-guided bombs. The flew from Whiteman AFB in Missouri – a 33-hour round trip. Further, big-time USAF strategic air assets – B-52s and B-1s – arrived shortly afterward.

It was soon apparent that USAF tactical aircraft were not being used in Afghanistan. We found that, even given unlimited in-flight tanker refueling, the USAF F-15 and F-16 could not be used without a Middle Eastern ground base. Turkish bases were simply too far away and would require refueling over hostile areas. Only the use of tactical air bases in Turkmenistan and/or Uzbekistan would work, and this would allow only partial coverage of Afghanistan.

The big question becomes: does the Navy have the assets to able to carry this kind of war into the future, and what kind of planning is in place? To cut to the chase, the discussion once again reverts to whether or not the new Super Hornet will really cut the mustard or the Navy has taken yet another wrong turn that will cost us dearly on the battlefield.

A History of Naval Aviation Difficulties

The subject of the erosion of Naval aviation has nagged both of us ever since the cancellation of the A-12 program by the Secretary of Defense in the late ‘80s. It was a watershed for a number of reasons, not the least of which was a level of bad management that hadn’t been seen in the Pentagon for decades! We can look back on that day and clearly see that the unraveling of the fabric of Naval aviation would become a long-term trend. Neither of us contends that the A-12, as envisioned by Navy leaders, was the right airplane to develop at that point in history; in fact, it wasn’t! That, however, is another story for another time.

We have to put off writing this article simply because we know it is likely to ruffle many feathers in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill, but events in Afghanistan again brought our main arguments into focus. Is writing this kind of article worth it, we wondered; we might be seen to be “piling it on” when the Navy is in difficulty and clearly on a steep, downhill slide. Well, we have listened, with no small restraint, to the pontifications that justify how well the Navy is doing with its favorite program, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet – despite unimpeachable reports to the contrary from the guys in the fleet; comments made to us by young fleet pilots who have flown the airplane and describe it as “a dog” carry much more weight with us than statements from senior officers and civilians higher in the food chain. But certain pontifications in a statement by a senior Naval officer who should have known better served as the last straw.

The pronouncement appeared along with a spate of triumphal announcements that celebrated the “successful” completion of the Super Hornet’s first operational evaluation (OPEVAL). In a publication called “Inside Washington,” the Navy’s director of operational testing is quoted as saying that the Super Hornet was superior to its earlier models “…in every category but three: acceleration, maximum speed and sustained turning performance.” This pronouncement boggled our minds because these are the very performance capabilities that determine a tactical airplane’s survival. Then, as if to justify this “hand grenade,” the officer is quoted as stating that the Navy has sacrificed speed in the Super Hornet for other beneficial capabilities, and he asserts, “brute speed is no longer the discriminator it once was when the benchmark was the Soviet threat.” It is clear that this Naval officer doesn’t have a clue about aerial combat and the importance of total energy in the complex equation of energy maneuverability. Nor does he seem to understand that Third World countries all around the globe are purchasing the very latest operational Russian-built fighters that are also licensed for production in China. The Russian aerial threat still exists; what has changed is that the pilots aren’t Russians.

As a nation, we have always had the means to protect our own global interests as well as those of other countries. Short of nuclear war, the carrier battle groups have been able to strike on very short notice. A President’s first question in time of crisis is often, “Where are the carriers?”

F-14Ds Carry a Major Punch

With a layered defense, including air assets, guided-missile cruisers and frigates and undersea backing, the carrier battle groups are pretty well invulnerable. On the longer Nimitz-class carrier, we see the F14D – a truly long-range fighter/bomber – plus lightweight F/A-18A fighter/bombers. The long-range A-6 bomber has gone forever, but its derivative, the EA-6B Electronic Warfare (EW) aircraft is in place and is in much demand by both the USN and the USAF. This country’s Desert Fox and Kosovo experiences have, at last – and correctly – shifted the focus away from stealth and toward electronic warfare. We will have more to say on this important topic in a subsequent article. In short, at the moment, the deck complement looks adequate. The F-14D can pick up the A-6 role because it was designed to do so from scratch. Its performance in Kosovo as a very effective strike leader has more than borne out that fact. With LANTIRN, night-vision devices and synthetic aperture A/G radar, the F-14 targeted not only its own four 2,000-pound weapons but also the ordinance of the F/A-18s, which don’t have such capable sensors.

An interesting comparison can be made to quantify the F-14D’s strike effectiveness. Compare one F-14D and one B-2 bomber during a two-night (33-hour) mission in Kosovo. In reactive situations (no foreign base), the B-2 operates from the U.S. (lack of overseas B-2 basing is a serious constraint and there are only a limited number of B-2s to begin with). The chart shows the weapons delivered – U.S. to Kosovo and back – for the B-2 and the F-14D.

33-HOUR-MISSION STRIKE EFFECTIVENESS

B-2 F-14D

No. of 2,000 lb. Bombs…………………… 20* …………….. 4

Mission time (hours)……………………… 33** …………… 3+

No. of missions…………………………… 1 ..…………… 5***

No. of bombs delivered…………………... 20 …………….. 20

First bombs on target (hours)…………….. 17.5 …………….. Approx. 2

Notes: * Av. Week – 1/17/00; 40,000lb payload

** From Whiteman AFB, Missouri

*** All-night missions

The F-14D information is from Desert Fox operations

Carrier Effectiveness is the Issue

This simple chart says a great deal about a carrier battle group’s effectiveness. Remember that there are – or there can be – 24 F-14Ds on a ship such as the John C. Stennis (CVN-71). Twenty four F-14Ds can deliver more weapons than the entire 16 aircraft of a B-2 fleet. Unfortunately, the numbers of F-14Ds are dwindling, and they will be almost gone in another 10 years. What will be the replacement?

The F-14D will be replaced by the F/A-18E Super Hornet, which attempts deep-interdiction missions. Though it’s a whizzy little airshow performer with a nice, modern cockpit, it has only 36 percent of the F-14D’s payload/range capability. The F/A-18E Super Hornet has been improved but still has, at best, 50 percent of the F-14D’s capability to deliver a fixed number of bombs (in pounds) on target. This naturally means that the carrier radius of influence drops to 50 percent of what it would have been with the same number of F-14Ds. As a result, the area of influence (not radius) drops 23 percent! No wonder the USN is working on “buddy tanker” versions of the Super Hornet.

By the way, now that the A-6 tanker has gone, how will the Hornets get to deep-interdiction targets?

Contrary to what we’re officially told, a tanker variety of the Hornet is simply not the answer. In an attempt to make it supersonic, the F-18E has been given a low aspect ratio and a razor blade of a wing. This hurts subsonic drag and carrier takeoff payload when compared with the KA-6 tanker, which is an aerodynamically efficient solution. Equally silly is the proposal for an EW version of the F-18E. The same aerodynamic reasons apply for this airplane, plus it has an external stores dilemma. To get sufficient range to support a deep-interdiction mission, the EF-18E would have to use up precious external store stations with fuel tanks rather than ECM pods as carried on the EA-6B. Perhaps the Navy should consider putting the EA-6B back into upgraded and modernized production and build some of them as tankers?

As this is being written, it is too early to comment in an informed manner on the war on terrorism in Afghanistan. The USAF heavy bomber raids are fully public. However, it is evident that USN carrier strike groups that consist of F-14Ds and F-18s are conducting the tactical raids. A study of maps shows that CVN airborne S-3 tankers facilitate the conduct of these raids by refueling, probably over Pakistan. At this time, USAF tactical air assets do not have bases close enough to Afghanistan to allow airborne refueling over friendly nations. By the time this finds its way into print, that may have changed.

Reported Super Hornet Problems

Although the Navy has been working very hard to correct F/A-18E/F OPEVAL problems, it is worth summing them up: the production of the F/A-18E/F is significantly overweight with respect to its specifications (30,000 pounds empty weight). This is far in excess of what one would expect for a variant of an existing F/A-18 A, B, C, or D. Aircraft weight estimation methods could, and should, have been much better; in fact, when we look objectively at the F/A-28E/F, we see an airplane with a brand-new wing, new fuselage and new empennage – in other words, a new airplane. This is, therefore, what Congress would call a “new start.” Both Congress and the Department of Defense (DOD) had to be looking the other way when the Navy was permitted to slip this airplane by as a simple modification of an existing airplane.

In combat-maneuvering flight, the aircraft had severe “wing-drop” problems that defied resolution, despite the use of every aerodynamic analytical tool available. Eventually, one test pilot cam up with a “leaky-fold-joint” fix that opened chordwise air slots to aspirate the wing’s upper surface flow and thereby prevent the sharp stalling of one wing before the other. The stalled more or less together, but much easier and more severely than before. This new fix is what the aerodynamicists call a “band aid.” It causes aircraft buffeting, which is generally a source of wing drag. But a “fix” that combined “acceptable” wing drop with “acceptable” buffeting had been achieved. One test pilot commented dryly, “I’d like the buffeting levels to be a little lower so I could read the heads-up display!”

Owing to its high drag and weight (and probably other factors), the F/A-18E is significantly poorer in acceleration than the F/A-18A. Also, its combat ceiling is substantially lower, and its transonic drag rise is very high. We have stayed in touch with some pilots at the Navy’s test center and have gathered some mind boggling anecdotal information. Here are some examples:

An F/A-18A was used to “chase” an F-14D test flight. The F-14D was carrying four 2,000-pound bombs, two 280-gallon drop tanks, two Phoenix missiles and two Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. The chase airplane was in a relatively “clean” configuration with only a centerline fuel tank. At the end of each test flight, the chase airplane was several miles behind the test airplane when the chase airplane reached “bingo” fuel and had to return to base.

An F/A-18E Super Hornet is tested using the same chase airplane, an earlier model Hornet, in the same configuration. The chase airplane does not need full thrust to stay with the test airplane.

An F/A-18E/F in maximum afterburner thrust cannot exceed Mach 1.0 in level flight below 10,000 feet even when it is in the clean configuration (no external stores). At 10,000 feet, the F-14D can exceed Mach 1.6.

A quote from a Hornet pilot is devastatingly frank: “The aircraft is slower than most fighters fielded since the early 1960s.”

The most devastating comment came from a Hornet pilot who flew numerous side-by-side comparison flights with F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and says: “We outran them, we out-flew them and we ran them out of gas. I was embarrassed for them.”

Updating the F-14

In the January 1991 issue of Naval Aviation, an article reminded us of some history: “After the dive/bomber became a naval aircraft type in the mid-1930s, fighters were designed primarily as gun platforms. However, the strength and power that characterized the F4U and F6F enabled them to be readily modified to fighter/bombers. Each could carry forward-firing rockets, two 1,000 pound bombs or a droppable fuel tank. The proportion of fighters assigned to fast carriers increased steadily from 25 percent of complement in 1942 to 50 percent in 1944 to 70 percent in 1945. The dual role made this great increase in air-to-air combat power possible with little loss in air-to-surface capability.”

How about a Hellcat II, aka Tomcat II? The first order of business would be to resurrect as many retired F-14s (of any configuration) as we can. Second, combine these with fleet F-14As, the remaining F-14As and even the Iranian F-14 assets that might be obtainable (Iran took delivery of approximately 80 F-14s under the Shah; about 30 are still airworthy). Third, design a program to upgrade all of these aircraft for F-14Ds. This may sound wild, but Grumman experience in restoring Malaysian A4D basket cases to mind condition in the ‘80s was very successful, and they were not even Grumman airplanes! Similar success in restoring fleet A-6s at Grumman’s St. Augustine, Florida, facility was achieved. It would appropriate for the Navy or DoD to launch a study by a blue ribbon team under aegis of NAVAIR. We estimate that about 200 additional F-14s could be brought back into the fleet. The titanium box beams and bulkheads are nearly indestructible as well as reparable using electron-beam welding; but this is not yet a Tomcat II.

Buying time with these programs would allow the convening of a design team – again led by NAVAIR – of contractor personnel, MIT scientists and other university help to study the cost of building new F-14s. We think the following design changes to the F-14D are achievable for a new baseline airplane and later for block change improvements:

1. Increase high-value-weapon bring-back capability; this would mean that the F-14D, carrying heavy stores, would hit the arresting gear too fast. We could conclude that a bigger wing with more powerful high-lift flaps and slats is required, but fly-by-wire systems allow a more elegant solution.

2. With flaps down, the basic F-14 needs a down tail load to trim out the flap nose-down pitching moment. Allowing the aircraft to fly slightly unstable in pitch, now enabled by fly-by-wire technology, suggests the use of a canard, which would produce uploads and relieve the down tail loads.

3. The net result of these changes is that an increase of 4,500 pounds in bring-back store weight could be allowed; this is equivalent to a decrease in approach speed of 12 knots. The relief of down tail loads also solves an aft fuselage maneuvering fatigue problem and brings an air combat maneuvering lift increase by 19 percent. Turning (lift to drag) is also improved by relieving down tail loads. This change could be readily achieved because no primary structure is involved. A further plus of this design change would be that the aircraft’s internal fuel capacity could be increased by several thousand pounds.

4. We appreciate the value of staying with a variable-sweep design – especially for the podded, twin-engine F-14. First, we could have a carrier aircraft with landing speeds in the order of 130 knots versus the F-4 Phantom at 145 knots. At the other end, the mission payload/range is greatly increased by flying unswept, as is air combat maneuvering. Why the latter? Because dedicated air combat occurs at below about 0.8 because of high turning drag – an arena in which the F-14’s 20-degree sweep is optimal. And, of course, the F-14 has been to Mach 2.51 with four Sparrows loaded at 68 degrees of wing sweep. It has flown to Mach 1.35 at 5,000 feet (813 knots IAS), at which point the throttle had to be retarded to avoid over-speed.

5. [At this point, the article jumps to what should be #5 in this list. It continues…]…be redesigned to cope with the level of instability induced by the larger glove, which is minus fiver percent in clean flight and minus 13 percent flaps down at the most aft CG. This is no big deal and, in fact, it may be within the capability of the existing F-14D bobweight system that tolerates some longitudinal instability. For reference, the Grumman X-29 was 45 percent instable!

6. The F-14D should have some reasonable stealth-enhancing additions – “sensible stealth” as we used to call it – which would have practically no impact on weight or performance! A lot of work was done to this end in around 1990; it included full-scale tests on real F-14s. Some radar signature experts know exactly what should be done. Comparing the basic radar signatures, the F-14 has a slight fundamental disadvantage: it is larger. Its tunnel mounted attack stores make, however, virtually no contribution to its signature, and it does not carry a forest of wing tanks and weapons on long-range strike missions (this also keeps its signature down).

The baseline F-14D production aircraft defined above would allow these carefully considered modifications:

1. The installation of the F-119 or the F-120 engines. The F-119 has already been checked for fit. Upgrades of the GE F-110 might also be viable. The objective would be a 40,000-pound class turbofan.

2. The installation of two-axis, vectorable, axially symmetric engine nozzles for super augmented pitch, roll and yaw control.

3. The installation of UHF antennas that would be embedded in the increased-chord leading-edge slats to allow onboard detection and tracking of stealthy adversaries. Low-frequency radar works well against low-radar-cross-section objects. Arrays like this were tested at Grumman in around 1990.

In 1990, Grumman defined many versions of what it thought the F-14D could be. It was somewhat overdone in the stealth arena, but it incorporates most of the aforementioned ideas with very little design change or combat penalty. All the changes are cosmetic “tin” and not basic to the structure.

A Word on Aircraft Design

Just as commercial airlines are reaching their design limitations as fighter designs have matured, they, too, have encountered the limits imposed by the laws of physics. Fighters and airliners are in the same situation, but fighters include a couple of extra dimensions. For instance, a choice has to be made between supersonic flight and subsonic combat maneuvering and cruise efficiency. The same is true of stealth versus electronic warfare. Pick one and design toward it. If you want a V/STOL, design one, but don’t try to make it into a tri-service fighter/bomber.

If you want a long-lasting, long-range fighter/bomber, design it from scratch for the mission as a new or upgraded design – preferably the latter. Then equip it with modern weapons, sensors, surveillance, communications and EW. Let the sensors and computers – on board and remote – give the crew complete knowledge of the situation in the volume of air they are trying to dominate also, and suggest the best plays. The electronics will continue to advance rapidly to provide capabilities that are now only dimly perceived, but the basic airplane, regardless of who designs it, is quickly approaching the best that it can be. In the meantime, remember to give the crew IR missiles and a Gatlin gun for those times at which Murphy intervenes and high-tech warfare once again deteriorates to the usual groveling dogfight.

The bottom line is that, unless aircraft like the F-14D continue to be on board, U.S. Navy aircraft carriers on their flight decks, and most of those will be deployed with a few aircraft on their flight decks, and most of those will be versions of the Hornet and the Super Hornet. Despite all protests to the contrary, with regard to standoff munitions and precision guided weapons, our carrier battle forces will not have the pulverizing power of their 1980s counterparts. When that time arrives, it will be the beginning of the end for carrier forces as we know them today – and the end of their rapid availability to the President in times of need.

The future of NAVAIR

In 1975, an A-7 Corsair II was mounted on a pedestal outside the now closed Navy Master Jet Base, Cecil Field, Florida. On the base of the pedestal was a large bronze plaque bearing the inscription: “The main battery of the fleet.” The battle groups in those days – equipped with Corsair Iis and A-6 Intruders – could truly “kick *** and take names.” Those days may be over – probably forever – unless strong USN action is taken. We can learn major lessons from our past. Lets hope the Navy and the politicians remember to apply these lessons to the future. So Mr. President, ask not what your carriers can do for you, but what you can do for your carriers.
I was thinking if PAF would join hands with IIAF we can have access to F-14
 
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lets see they got them in the mid - 70's, so they are 35 yr old airframes and no one flies the A/B models anymore. - heck the F-14s in the american boneyard at arizona are in better condition - forget it !!!
 
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Yuck ....

20-30 year old plane it would probbly die in air if you push it a little for performance....

Pakistan is making JF17 Thunder and J10 are perfect for out needs.
 
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without a doubt F 14 has failed to fullfill its promises and no one in world buyed it other than iranians
 
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F14 is a failed platform, Even US wanted out ... why would Pakistan want a failed A2A platform, which has trouble flying at even 30,000 feet.

without a doubt F 14 has failed to fullfill its promises and no one in world buyed it other than iranians
Very simplistic statements. No, the F-14 Tomcat was not a failure as an aircraft, it was simply not needed anymore. In fleet air-defence and weapons delivery, it was quite capable. It also incorporated some pretty advanced technology of the time, and was the only platform to master computerized variable-sweep control. It even had a killer RADAR, and could have been eventually paired up with the deadly AIM-120. It suffered from certain design issues, no doubt, but which new aircraft doesn't? later variants were to rectify these design issues and incorporate a more durable pair of engines. No sirs, The F-14 Tomcat was not a "failure" as an aircraft. The failure was in the planning.

Iranian F-14s have been in terrible condition for a very long time. They're all grounded, AFAIK. Even if we could somehow get them, we wouldn't be able to fly them without spending massive amount of money on overhaul and refurbishment. And we would be inducting a brand new platform, the first ever twin-engined fighter we've ever flown, and that too one that was never supposed to satisfy an Air Force's requirements. Why go through so much trouble for something you don't need?

If we're going to go for second hand aircraft, our best bet are Turkish F-16s which will become available in a few years' time.
 
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lets see they got them in the mid - 70's, so they are 35 yr old airframes and no one flies the A/B models anymore. - heck the F-14s in the american boneyard at arizona are in better condition - forget it !!!



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I believe that the u s govt chopped them all up---when it was discovered that F 14 parts were being smuggled to iran---I may stand corrected, but was my understanding of a news item about 2 to 4 years ago.
 
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the F14s are old. No parts are made for them anymore, whatever there was was moth-balled


Iran is forced to make its own, and theyve cannibalized the tomcat a bit. Everyone is impressed Iran kept them airborne decades later. Theyve done well, considering the sanction and arms embargos


most other countries would be forced to ground their fleet
 
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y dont u think to use some prop aircraft in PAF,like world used in 2nd world war.
grow up bro we have to go forward not back.
we have much batter thing in our hand(f16),then the busted old f14.
 
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But with powerful radar and Phoenix it had BVR capability when aircarft could only carry sparrow or at most SW
Today, the IRIAF still has some 50-55 F-14s, but only about 30 of them are probably active at any one time. The United States still seems to regard Iran's F-14 fleet as a potent threat in case hostilities ever break out, and has taken special pains to ensure that the Iranian government cannot obtain access to spare parts for their Tomcats. As US Navy Tomcats are retired from service, the boneyards at Davis Monthan AFB are deliberately destroying them as they arrive at the facility, just to ensure that no Tomcat spare parts end up on the black market
 
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No Way!!!Heavy Jet, twin engined, maintenance cost etc. Why to use old stuff?
 
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No Way!!!Heavy Jet, twin engined, maintenance cost etc. Why to use old stuff?
I am not talking about operating it but we can get these examples for radar,engine and design understanding
 
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Anyways! hasnain0099, presented well!! But my friend of no use..
 
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a shocking image i found on internet,not much details but it was related to IRAN GAVE F14 TO RUSSIA.thats why husnain made that thread. ;) isnt it?
 
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