Why Mattis came to Pakistan! actual the story.

[BHarwana]

Chalo theek ho gaya, unno pucho kaira hissa sahi hai, pela ya doja?

haha leave it. lets not go off topic.

 

[undercover JIX]

haha leave it. lets not go off topic.

Ok, Mattis came to Pakistan for some Mithais..but unfortunately nirala is not doing so good (according to some news i saw somewhere)

 

[BHarwana]

Ok, Mattis came to Pakistan for some Mithais..but unfortunately nirala is not doing so good (according to some news i saw somewhere)

The actual reason is USA wants to leave Afghanistan but in the process USA policy will destroy Pakistan. Taliban will not negotiate with Afghan Gov so there is a dead lock USA wants ISI and Pakistani forces to replace Taliban leadership and top commanders and merge them with ISIS and TTP then but Pakistan is against this whole thing. This means giving entire Taliban to Israel and India that is not in our interest so Pakistan is staying away from the whole Afghan mess and will only def it's borders. USA knows that there are no terrorists safe heavens in Pakistan.

 

[LeGenD]

That drone incident however was considerable but i think it had violated Pak's airspace.

And what was it mission?

Pakistan will use that port to trade with Eastern EU countries and possibly Russia which imports most of it's agricultural requirements. Trading with EU is something not important, says the troll lol.

Pakistan can use ports in Karachi and Gwadar, in case you forgot.

Trolling is your forte, not mine.

Nope, BS

Iran has made an offer to connect those ports, one goes to China the other one goes to EU. India has 5 years long permission to use it for trading with AFG after 5 years they will pay for their trade. After five years which is due to their investment, India will be a country like others which would ask/pay to use the port. OMG geopolitical leverage, you are trolling again.

India can trade with Afghanistan through Chabahar for 5 straight years without charges, right? Thanks for your honesty.

Now what about Afghanistan using Chabahar port to bypass Pakistan? This is one aspect of geopolitical leverage that I am talking about.

Whole problems are steaming of US presence in the region. They want to engage two neighboring countries in long term problems to make sure their own meddling in the region. Currently it is totally changing, by ignoring USA.

Apparently you don't understand the change in geopolitical equations, try to get the point of ignoring USA

Oh please, spare me your drivel.

Iranians are well-known for their meddling in the matters of other states, much like the US.

 

[BHarwana]

And what was it mission?

Pakistan can use ports in Karachi and Gwadar, in case you forgot.

Trolling is your forte, not mine.

India can trade with Afghanistan through Chabahar for 5 straight years without charges, right? Thanks for your honesty.

Now what about Afghanistan using Chabahar port to bypass Pakistan? This is one aspect of geopolitical leverage that I am talking about.

Oh please, spare me your drivel.

Iranians are well-known for their meddling in the matters of other states, much like thr US.

Chabahar port has many threads plz go there don't troll here.

 

[Muhammed45]

And what was it mission?

hunting Haqqani terrorists, supplied by gulf monarchs with US lead

Pakistan can use ports in Karachi and Gwadar, in case you forgot.

Trolling is your forte, not mine.

A rail way from that port is under analysis to be constructed, which would end in Azeri provinces of Iran, by connecting it to Azerbaijan's railway, connection to EU will get completed. Maybe you want to bypass Caspian sea? Com'on stop this ignorance.

Pakistan has great opportunities with working with Iran

India can trade with Afghanistan through Chabahar for 5 straight years without charges, right? Thanks for your honesty.

Yes, investment comes under conditions.

Now what about Afghanistan using Chabahar port to bypass Pakistan? This is one aspect of geopolitical leverage that I am talking about.

We are helping nations to grow, thrive and get rid of American aids which causes US presence in the region.

Iranians are well-known for their meddling in the matters of other states, much like thr US.

Chabahar port has many threads plz go there don't troll here.

Sorry bro,

thread is almost derailed with Chabahar-Gwadar discussion. I'm out

 

[LeGenD]

Chabahar port has many threads plz go there don't troll here.

I can comment in any thread I want to and respond to any member I want to. I do not need your permission for this matter.

Conversations can branch-off to different directions in a single thread at times. However, for the sake of ensuring peace, I will stop conversing about Chabahar here.

Just one thing to say: Iran is not a genuine friend much like the US. Pakistan has to watch its back in both cases. Pakistani and Iranian can find each other on the same page in their mutual hatred for the US but reality is much more complex beneath.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Only one bleeding in Afghanistan r Afghans. Afghan Taliban is slaughtering their fellow country men for more than 2 decades. In return USA is bombing Afghan talis to dust. Who is the loser here

There is only one hope for Afghans are Talibans not CIA & R&AW stooges....

Under Taliban there are chances of peace but CIA don't wants any successful model of Islamic Republic there so they sent Osama there who hijack Taliban Govt with his money and later they invade Afghanistan to kill same stooge who works for them just like Saddam.

 

[BHarwana]

I can comment in any thread I want to and respond to any member I want to. I do not need your permission for this matter.

Conversations can branch-off to different directions in a single thread at times. However, for the sake of ensuring peace, I will stop conversing about Chabahar here.

Just one thing to say: Iran is not a friend much like the US. Pakistan has to watch its back in both cases.

Iran is friend or not for the current situation in Afghanistan Pakistan and Iran have to be each others friends. So what way you want to hold your nose it is your choice.

 

[Kaniska]

hunting Haqqani terrorists, supplied by gulf monarchs with US lead

A rail way from that port is under analysis to be constructed, which would end in Azeri provinces of Iran, by connecting it to Azerbaijan's railway, connection to EU will get completed. Maybe you want to bypass Caspian sea? Com'on stop this ignorance.

Pakistan has great opportunities with working with Iran

Yes, investment comes under conditions.

We are helping nations to grow, thrive and get rid of American aids which causes US presence in the region.




Sorry bro,

thread is almost derailed with Chabahar-Gwadar discussion. I'm out

Either you are trolling or trying to be so naive...

Here are the some facts for which Pakistan's concern for Chahbahar port is genuine...

1- Without Chahbahar, Afganistan has to only depend on Pakistan for port...Now, with Chahabahar, the exclusivity will be lost...Now, forget about India, even without India, Pakistan will be looser, if Afganistan gets another gateway to sea port by passing Pakistan...Of course, no one in Pakistan will like it leave aside the leverage on a country.

2- India's interest to Chahabahar, is of course irritate Pakistan..It is not like Iran does not know about it...Do not act so naive that Iran does not know India's presence in an Iranian city which is 50 km from Pakistan border will be likened by Pakistan...Rather if you expect Pakistan not to get upset, then it is surprising...

3- You are constantly looking for exit route of US..Agree, no one likes presence of foreign power in your neighourhood...BUt that does not mean, if US moves out, Afganistan will be truely independent.Rather, after US, some one else remotely control Afganistan..And based in history of middle east, Iran is definitely eyeing to expand its influence in Afganistan...

Again, i am big fan of people or Iran and most of the posters of Iran in PDF...But you are not like other Iranian posters...So thought of responding to your retention to be naive in this thread...

 

[LeGenD]

Iran is friend or not for the current situation in Afghanistan Pakistan and Iran have to be each others friends. So what way you want to hold your nose it is your choice.

Iran is granting Afghanistan access to warm waters through its Chabahar port; both Afghanistan and India will benefit from this development in years to come. Even the Iranian member [in question] admitted that India can trade with Afghanistan through Chabahar port "without charges" for 5 straight years. You understand the geopolitical implications of these developments for Pakistan in the region?

FYI:

https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/fir...fghanistan-via-irans-strategic-chabahar-port/
http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...-dependent-on-pakistan-says-official-4938252/
http://www.tolonews.com/business/india’s-first-shipment-arrives-afghanistan-chabahar

Pakistan and Iran are neighbors so the two countries [should have] a working relationship. However, Iran is looking after its interests [justifiable] but a part of it may compromise Pakistani position in regards to Afghanistan; India-Chabahar-Afghanistan connection is an example. And Iranian meddling in the matters of other states is well-documented.

Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan should have fantastic relations (ideally speaking) but this is not the case in reality. Try to comprehend the bigger picture.

 

[Clutch]

It's a trap... for Pakistan to engage the Haqani taliban so as to make room for the American backed isis and northern alliance backed Indian terrorists.

Pakistan needs to tread carefully here.

 

[Mrc]

they are saying different things in meetings and than different to media...they are building a narrative

what ever next step is...narrative needs to be actively countered

 

[BHarwana]

Iran is granting Afghanistan access to warm waters through its Chabahar port; both Afghanistan and India will benefit from this development. Even the Iranian member admitted that India can trade with Afghanistan through Chabahar port without charges for 5 straight years. You understand the geopolitical implications of these developments for Pakistan in the region?

FYI:

https://thediplomat.com/2017/10/fir...fghanistan-via-irans-strategic-chabahar-port/
http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...-dependent-on-pakistan-says-official-4938252/
http://www.tolonews.com/business/india’s-first-shipment-arrives-afghanistan-chabahar

Pakistan and Iran are neighbors so the two countries [should have] a working relationship. However, Iran is looking after its interests [justifiable] but a part of it may compromise Pakistani position in regards to Afghanistan; India-Chabahar-Afghanistan connection is an example.

Try to comprehend the bigger picture.

Look my friend Now India taking Chahbahar port is a blessing for Pakistan because If India would not have taken Chahbahar port then China would have invested in it and Gawadar would have stayed as it is. Try to comprehending that first. and it is very difficult to trade from Chahbahar port to Afghanistan because there is a huge presence of TALIBAN in the middle who are supported by Iran as well. Secondly Chahbahar is not the only port of IRAN they have others as well and India can use them as well. Now Chahbahar port is not Indian property India has Loaned it only. Secondly Gawadar is a route to China Chahbahar is not a route to China. Now plz stop bringing in Chahbahar port in Afghan war. We are talking about Manttis so tell me was Mantttis here for Chahabahar port?

they are saying different things in meetings and than different to media...they are building a narrative

what ever next step is...narrative needs to be actively countered

that's how they started tribal war through agents and media and false narratives

Why do you think this news was released today? what you are saying is the very thing this news was made public. This News is not for Pakistan but for south Afghanistan. This News is released to slap USA.

 

[LeGenD]

@BHarwana

Well, there are different angles to consider.

On topic:

Pakistan-US relations are filled with ups and downs throughout history. When the interests of both countries align in regards to a regional development, the resultant strategic partnership works beautifully for a while. However, it doesn't takes much long for both countries to fall out of line. Pakistani political instability, corruption, lack of appreciation of American investments in Pakistan and lack of effective lobbying in the US are contributing factors. Additionally, developments in the Middle East (i.e. Israel - Palestine dispute) also complicate the prospects of improving people-to-people level contacts between the two countries. On top, Indians are making inroads into the US and leveraging their connections to their advantage.

Pakistan can re-align its geopolitical position by taking cues from Turkey; Turkey is not only a member of NATO but has a working relationship with both Israel and Russia alongside supporting Palestinian cause. Unfortunately, Pakistani Mullah brigade is not as wise.

As for American warnings; with the chapter of ISIS closing in the Middle East, US is shifting its attention back to Afghanistan under the leadership of Trump administration. This administration has expressed its desire to take action against all terrorist networks and Taliban in Afghanistan (good news for the Afghan government). However, I am perplexed by the threats to Pakistan much like any Pakistani.

Pakistan has acted against a number of terrorist networks within Pakistan and deserves appreciation for its efforts against terrorism in the region. Even if some terror-networks are still intact, cooperation is the way forward.

Trump administration should come forward in a positive manner. Threats will only fuel Anti-US sentiments in the region. If you can get the job done with a carrot, why use stick?