Why is Pakistan doing this with Israel? Shirin Mazari in the NA

[rayanBis123456789]

Hey bro, tell me how do you open new threat on this site ?

mashallah

 

[litman]

" whoever turns to them with friendship and alliance he belongs to them " Quran.
now all those secular liberal "educated" muslims who see nothing wrong with such a move and some of them even want to recognize israel are grossly going against the instructions. we can be friends with usa and israel only when they stop bombing muslim countries in ME till that time they are the enemies as per the instructions of Quran. in addition to that "belongs to them" means you have lost your faith and should be ready to face the consequences in both worlds.
all those who disagree must argue with the One who sent the instructions.

Than stop recognizing India as well or quit this hypocrisy.

according to your logic if i do not offer one prayer should i leave all the others?????.

I am more focused on the whole US aspect, I mean, they 300 million in aid and we still go?

typical relation of a master and slave. the slave has to get satisfied with whatever master gives him.

 

[Taygibay]

Hey bro, tell me how do you open new threat on this site ?

mashallah

I'll take it that you meant thread and if so, just wait until you have more posts buddy!
It goes read, discuss, generate.

Have a great day, Tay.

 

[General General]

These exercises are a source of benefit for Pakistan as much as any other country. By not taking part in these exercises, Pakistan will face the most short-comings in training than any other country or Israel for that matter.
On the note of Israel and Pakistan relationship, six decades of "not recognising" has not done any good. The scuff of the U.S. is firmly in the hand of Israel and the scuff of Britain is in that of the U.S. That's two veto powers under strong Israel influence and that's not going to change.
Israel has long since recognised the power of media and has invested very smartly in this field in the West. Media can easily make or break a politician, whether it is newspapers, news channels, tabloids, celebrities, movies, you name it. They play smart, not hard.
The Arab word is waking up to the fact that by not having relations with Israel under the non-existing notion of "Muslim brotherhood", they are the ones being sidelined by the world powers. If such a brotherhood really existed, the cumulation of all the Muslim countries would have had something like the EU, only on a much grander and prosperous scale. Pakistan has maintained that if Israel agreed to the U.N resolution and withdrew under international law to the pre-war boundaries, it would recognise Israel. This notion is just and logical, but the reality isn't as naive, and Pakistan is increasingly finding itself on the wrong side of international politics.
Sometimes you have to keep self-interest and preservation above all else.

 

[IceCold]

" according to your logic if i do not offer one prayer should i leave all the others?????.

My logic?? Or rather you trying to put words into my mouth in your attempt to defend the hypocrisy I was referring too?
You don't leave India because you are too addicted to their Bollywood crap. You can't live without their item songs and b grade romance. Hence people like you twist religion to suit the flavor.
The Hadayt that you quoted above does not apply to Israel alone. Also neither the prophet pbuh nor our religion forbids us from having day to day relations with them. It jusy tells us not to make friends out of them because they are not.
Here we are talking about accepting a country not making out with it.

 

[Basel]

Don't recognize us, couldn't care less.
In the meantime, ull create more enemies where u don't need them, and we'll continue to make India stronger by selling them technologies in various of aspects.

You are already an enemy by taking side with Pakistan's biggest enemy and no one is scared of Israel in Pakistan.

 

[DavidSling]

You are already an enemy by taking side with Pakistan's biggest enemy and no one is scared of Israel in Pakistan.

So U.S and Russia and France are also enemies of Pakistan? that logic.
And if u're not afraid of a hi tech power, 7 largest arms exporter in the world with thermonuclear warheads and ballistic missiles with range of 11k km, then u're a fool.
if u're seeing Israel as an enemy, the stupid thing to is to underestimate it

 

[cloud4000]

I am more focused on the whole US aspect, I mean, they 300 million in aid and we still go?

It's not aid but CSF, which reimburses Pakistan for its cost in WoT. Civilian and military aid are a different matter.

One of my friends is a PAF fighter pilot was sent to US on training and he told me there were Israeli pilots too and they would train with them .... So what's the point?

Who gave the green light for PAF to participate in Red Flag? Pakistan must have known full well IAF was part of the excercise before agreeing to join. Why not take this opportunity to learn IAF techniques, especially the F-16?

Aid or no-aid, we need to tell them few things very clearly that we are not dependent on them for a paltry USD 300 million.
PAF and Israeli Airforces have faced each other in middle eastern skies and we shot their crows down so we really don't need to exercise with them.

When was this? You are talking about the 1960s and 1970s. This is 2016. There has been a sea change in aircraft, weapons, and techniques since then.

 

[DavidSling]

Aid or no-aid, we need to tell them few things very clearly that we are not dependent on them for a paltry USD 300 million.
PAF and Israeli Airforces have faced each other in middle eastern skies and we shot their crows down so we really don't need to exercise with them.

According to PAF sources, which in best is doubtful.
also, even if true, Israel is ages away from what it was in 67, Israel today is an hi tech power with technology lights away from what PAF posses.

 

[Basel]

Whatever you want to call it, hypocrisy, stupidity it is what it is. Successive governments of Pakistan have just played into the hands of mullahs so as not to affect their vote bank. It was only under Musharraf that things started to move towards normalisation of ties between Israel and Pakistan. It could not materialise unfortunately. The current government under NS, well we can forget it. He is nothing but a slave to house of Saud.

Get your facts right, its not Mullah thing, you should google what father of nation Quaid-e-Azam said for Israel.

Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) said jews can't be your friends and no Muslim can disagree what prophet (SAWW) have said.

So U.S and Russia and France are also enemies of Pakistan? that logic.
And if u're not afraid of a hi tech power, 7 largest arms exporter in the world with thermonuclear warheads and ballistic missiles with range of 11k km, then u're a fool.
if u're seeing Israel as an enemy, the stupid thing to is to underestimate it

They never planned to strike on Pakistan's nuclear site like Israel did.

 

[DavidSling]

Get your facts right, its not Mullah thing, you should google what father of nation Quaid-e-Azam said for Israel.

Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) said jews can't be your friends and no Muslim can disagree what prophet (SAWW) have said.



They never planned to strike on Pakistan's nuclear site like Israel did.

Isn't it refering to all none muslims? and if so, how u're friend with china?

 

[Daghalodi]

Who gave the green light for PAF to participate in Red Flag? Pakistan must have known full well IAF was part of the excercise before agreeing to join. Why not take this opportunity to learn IAF techniques, especially the F-16?

Who cares who gave the green light, it was just a routine exercise and those Israelis were on training too not there to teach others

 

[rayanBis123456789]

ok,

an interressing thread to open is the recent EPIC and humiliting fail of the so called israeli tech, to shoot done a slow flying drone...

Despite two patriot PAC2 and a PYHTON air to air missiles fired !!

Can you do it ?

 

[DavidSling]

Get your facts right, its not Mullah thing, you should google what father of nation Quaid-e-Azam said for Israel.

Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) said jews can't be your friends and no Muslim can disagree what prophet (SAWW) have said.



They never planned to strike on Pakistan's nuclear site like Israel did.

Doubtful at best, U.S would've been aware of such action.
and since when, planning - not implementing, is an act of war?

 

[Basel]

Isn't it refering to all none muslims? and if so, how u're friend with china?

Kindly read my post, its about jews only.

Pakistan don't underestimate Israel or any other country although others underestimate Pakistan which is good for us.