KingMamba
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Yes it is. But it is not about debating whether the holocaust took place or not. It is about freedom of peech, not the holocaust.Dear God! You getting excited again arent you? Read my post regarding Germans and their record keeping skills!
Yea the thread is about why selectively about the holocaust is the freedom of speech enforced?
I would say if Jews themselves dispute the Holocaust then it cannot be fact unless proven to be, the supporters of holocaust want everyone to believe it happened and not question otherwise. I am not saying it did not happen however if it is fact they should not be scared of people talking about it no?
People are not scared to talk about it . There are no holocaust deniers but people who dispute magnitude of it .
Has the West put millions of Muslims in camps and put them to death there? Name one incident were West has put one million Muslims in prison camps and killed them there.
dude Majorities are played in major way not minorities . Just look around both in India and Pakistan .
The euro countries who have a ban on the topic are scared to talk about it. There ban is supposed to be against those who deny but the truth is just questioning numbers can get you into trouble as a potential denier.
Most of the info came from a journal of a lady (Anne Frank) "believed" to have lived and survived the holocaust...how? no one knows nor dared question....
Facts are immutable beliefs are not . I can prove holocaust but i cannot prove heaven/hell( no one can) . So heaven/hell is belief ad holocaust is fact . If a person "believes" that his belief is a fact that the matter of fact is its a belief and not a fact .
Very narrowWrong . Freedom of speech is limited by responsibility of speech (Hate speech law) in all the countries which have this law .
Yea bt it isnt called father's diary now is it!@Akheilos : By the way, Anne Frank did not survive the holocaust. She dies in the Auschwitz concentration camp. Her diary was published years later by her father, who was the only one to survive. One 13 year old's diary is not how history gets documented. All of the govts writings, orders, speeches, judgements are all available to us. As are some of the people who gave those orders, the ones who carried out those orders, and the ones who were victims.
Prove to me holocaust did not happen .
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prove to me it happened in this thread and i want to see how far you get lol.
i do believe it already but I'm going to forget that and ill let you prove to us if it happened or not.
and honest to god ill be neutral."
dude Majorities are played in major way not minorities . Just look around both in India and Pakistan .
Very narrow
EU definition:
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. The freedom and pluralism of the media shall be respected.
They also have Art 10. Freedom of thought, conscience and religion
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes the freedom to change religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or in private, to manifest religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance. The right to conscientious objection is recognised, in accordance with the national laws governing the exercise of this right.
Legal Explanations
The right guaranteed in paragraph 1 corresponds to the right guaranteed in Article 9 of the ECHR and, in accordance with Article 52(3) of the Charter, has the same meaning and scope. Limitations must therefore respect Article 9(2) of the Convention, which reads as follows: "Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others."
EU Charter - Art 11. Freedom of expression and information
No it isn't. The orders of the government to send Jews to concentration camps, the judges who gave those orders were all alive after WW2. This was not a one time event, it took place over a decade in a place that had radio, press and even video recordings.