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General K Sunderji was the first to anticipate that China was the rising threat to India, and Pakistan was the declining threat. This was in the mid-1980s, when China economic miracle had begun. He asked for a major increase in mountain divisions. If memory serves, his objective was 40 divisions: four tanks, eight mechanized, seven RAPIDs (Re-organised Army Plains Infantry Division), two airmobile, and 19 mountain. At that time we had three armoured and mechanised, four RAPIDs, 17 infantry, and ten mountain divisions.

Sundarji also corrected appreciated that on the nuclear battlefield, a mass of infantry no longer served any purpose. The western front had to be mechanised. This was not done; today India has only three armoured divisions, no mechanised, and just six RAPIDs.

Nothing was done in the north, either. India did not want to provoke China by boosting northern forces. As usual in dealing with China, we fell into the trap of believing negotiations could defuse tension, eliminating the need for additional divisions. By the mid-2000s, it became apparent that China saw our peaceful intention as weakness, and began to push farther. Reluctantly, the government agreed that between seven and 11 new China front divisions were needed, something Sundarji had postulated 20 years ago. Also as usual, the government found any number of reasons to be timid, and sanctioned only two new mountain divisions. These were used to restore Eastern Command's depleted strength and were not net additions.

Eighth Mountain Division had gone to Kashmir. Fourth Mountain Division had long since gone to the plains. Moreover, 23rd Mountain Division had become infantry and was dual-tasked to XXI Strike Corps. The 1984 raising of 28th Mountain Division was not a net addition to the China fronts: its role was to protect the long North Kashmir border against Pakistan. So we were three divisions short of our 1964 strength.

After raising 56th and 71st Mountain Divisions, the government authorised two more which, together with 23rd, would form India's first mountain strike corps. Incredibly, though it is a fundamental axiom of warfare that wars are won by offensive and not defensive means, since 1959 India's stance in the north has been purely defensive. If China attacked, we could restore the status quo ante, but nothing more. Actually the minimum plan called for two mountain strike corps, one in Kashmir and one in the east. Forget two strike corps, by deferring 72nd Division, India has failed to even deliver one at full-strength.

The first signs of trouble came when the government delayed standing-up of XVII Mountain Strike Corps to 2017 from 2012. The government said there was no money. The second sign came when Pathankot was announced as 72nd Division's station. This implied that the corps is dual-tasked to Northern and to Eastern Commands. Now the delay has been extended to at least 2020. Instead of 11 new mountain divisions, whose need was evident 30 years ago, we have just three. And that only returns us to 1964!

The Chinese threat continues growing. For one thing, China spends four times as much money on defence as we do - and yet that is only two per cent of its GDP. For Mao, power grew from the barrel of a gun. For us, power grows from words. Let's see if that suffices to defeat China.

Why Indian Army looks weak in front of China
 
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China is much more stronger than it was in 1962. Difference between Indian Forces and Chinese force is wider than ever before. Now if India will try to mess with China they would pay a lot more price than they paid in 1962.
Absolutely correct their army knows this fact very well but the keyboard warriors keep dreaming to fight with China.

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Its certainly a matter of concern. Growing need is not to increase the numbers, but to put together a highly mobile lean mean state of art mountain division which is highly network centric, well supported by mobile artillery & CAS.
 
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China is much more stronger than it was in 1962. Difference between Indian Forces and Chinese force is wider than ever before. Now if India will try to mess with China they would pay a lot more price than they paid in 1962.

We Indians are very smart. We will never pick a fight with the chineese. We will just remind them that our Nuclear missiles can reach Beijing too. Enough deterent to keep power hungry peoples party at bay. ;)
 
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China is to India what India is to Pakistan, many times richer with a huge gap in military spending, longer range missiles, and a much more powerful navy, air force..

good thing their military buildup is for the US, not us.

We Indians are very smart. We will never pick a fight with the chineese. We will just remind them that our Nuclear missiles can reach Beijing too. Enough deterent to keep power hungry peoples party at bay. ;)
and good thing the Nehru dynasty is almost finished.
 
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Why on earth would China attack India in first place?
China has no declared or undeclared hostile intentions towards India. If that is the case, why China has just announced billions of dollers investment in India recently? Why Chinese companies are investing in India?
Why China has one of the largest number of foreign students from India?

Its just a ploy by Indian establishment to suck out more funds from poor Indian populace. Large defense contracts and ever increasing defense spending ensure a lavish style in future. The other reason is that all these wishful war preparations are only for Pakistan. India used this trick successfully to get massive financial, political and military support from the West after 1962 misadventure against China.
A good old, businessman like thinking, India losses less but gain much more in 1962 and afterwards.
Now again, India is desperate to get much more by cashing on the fears of Japan and other small nations of Indo-Pacific Ocean region v/s China.

Haathi ke daant khanay ke aur dikhane ko aur..
 
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Title is wrong. Its not army looks weak, it is defence system looks weak. Thats why China is 3rd powerful nation and India is 4th powerfull nation in the world.
 
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Why on earth would China attack India in first place?
China has no declared or undeclared hostile intentions towards India. If that is the case, why China has just announced billions of dollers investment in India recently? Why Chinese companies are investing in India?
Why China has one of the largest number of foreign students from India?

Its just a ploy by Indian establishment to suck out more funds from poor Indian populace. Large defense contracts and ever increasing defense spending ensure a lavish style in future. The other reason is that all these wishful war preparations are only for Pakistan. India used this trick successfully to get massive financial, political and military support from the West after 1962 misadventure against China.
A good old, businessman like thinking, India losses less but gain much more in 1962 and afterwards.
Now again, India is desperate to get much more by cashing on the fears of Japan and other small nations of Indo-Pacific Ocean region v/s China.

Haathi ke daant khanay ke aur dikhane ko aur..

Very well said sir. :cheers:

Even according to the Indian Army's own internal military report, it was INDIA that attacked China in 1962, while we were in the middle of the worst famine in our entire history (Great leap forward):

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

And the Indian Army's internal military report was written with quotes from Indian Generals (like General Kaul) who actually fought on the ground in the 1962 war.

They made it clear how surprised they were, even their own maps showed that they were far beyond the MacMahon Line, in pure Chinese (undisputed) territory, when Nehru gave the order to "throw the Chinese out" of our own (undisputed) land!

From the same Indian Army internal report:

Dhola Post that triggered war was on China's side of McMahon Line | Business Standard News

Now cue the people saying that the Indian Army is giving out Chinese propaganda. :disagree:
 
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China is much more stronger than it was in 1962. Difference between Indian Forces and Chinese force is wider than ever before. Now if India will try to mess with China they would pay a lot more price than they paid in 1962.
So is India ..................By the By why do you wish for a India-China war.............Both are Growing Economies...........And I don't see a War in near future.........................
 
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