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Why India Will Displace China as Global Growth Engine.
By A. Gary Shilling Dec 17, 2012 5:00 AM GMT+0530

Most of us still look at China, the world’s second-largest economy, as the undisputed leader among major developing countries. In the long run, however, I’m betting on India to emerge as the more significant global economy.
Those who are dazzled by China often forget that much of the rapid growth before 2008 was caused by the shift of global manufacturing from Europe and the U.S., not by domestic-oriented activity. China’s economy remains export-driven, with consumers accounting for only 38 percent of gross domestic product, far below the levels of many developing and developed countries.


Chinese leaders are working to shift toward a more domestically directed economy. They want households to spend more and save much less than the current rate of almost 30 percent. One of the reasons that savings play such a big role is the high value Confucian society puts on providing for one’s family. The Chinese also save to pay for education for their children and to cover health care and retirement costs because there is no equivalent of Medicare and Social Security.
In 2010, the Chinese government promised basic health care for all by 2020. That’s eight years from now, and basic care remains pretty basic. In some rural hospitals, a practical nurse is the most highly trained medical practitioner.
Higher Wages
China has also increased minimum wages 20 percent to 30 percent in the last year to enhance consumer incomes and purchasing power. Yet higher pay, notably for factory workers producing goods for foreign companies, is driving low-skilled manufacturing jobs to cheaper venues such as Vietnam, Bangladesh and Pakistan.

Furthermore, Western companies are increasingly resisting the requirement that they transfer technical expertise to Chinese partners as the price of setting up production facilities in China. There is a widespread belief that much of the success of Chinese manufacturers is due to such voluntary technology transfers or outright theft of intellectual property.
China recently reduced its target for real GDP annual growth to 7.5 percent from 8 percent. That target is probably too high as China’s one-child policy leads to a population decline, especially among new labor-force entrants. The number of 15- to 24-year-olds is already dropping and this group is projected to account for 150 million people in 2030, compared with 250 million in 1990. As a result, China’s labor force between the ages of 15 and 65 is expected to peak in 2014.
China’s ample labor has increased GDP growth by an estimated 1.8 percentage points annually since the 1970s, but the contraction will cut into growth by 0.7 percentage point by 2030. At the same time, better conditions in rural areas have reduced the availability of cheap labor in coastal cities.
By contrast, India has had no effective constraints on population growth. China still has the advantage -- with 1.34 billion people last year, compared with India’s 1.24 billion -- though not for too much longer. Furthermore, the age distribution of India’s population is better because of China’s one-child policy, which is now being reconsidered in view of its negative consequences for the country’s long-term labor force and economic growth. This means that the dependency ratio, the proportion of children and senior citizens to working-age people, is expected to continue falling in India in coming decades and to increase in China.

Younger Population

Younger people, of course, tend to be more geographically mobile, flexible in terms of occupation and creative. But these advantages only translate into greater productivity and economic growth if these workers have the right education and training as well as job opportunities.
Several centuries of British colonial rule left India with a vigorous democracy and a parliamentary form of government. As in the U.S., these kinds of institutions are very well adapted to running a large, religiously diverse country where the central government is constrained by increasingly powerful states and weak coalition governments. China, however, remains centrally controlled, with the Communist Mao Dynasty, as I’ve dubbed it, simply replacing the dynasties of old.
The British also left India with a railway system that enabled the relatively easy movement of people and goods in that vast country. By contrast, China doesn’t grant resident status to farmers who move to urban areas in search of work.
And, of course, the British gave India the English language -- very useful in today’s world and a unifying force in a country with hundreds of languages and dialects. India also inherited a legal system that is very different from the Communist Party-dominated courts in China, which feature show trials and foregone convictions, as demonstrated by the recent trial and conviction of Gu Kailai, the wife of the disgraced party leader Bo Xilai.
India is also home to a number of large, sophisticated companies, such as Tata Group, that can compete globally. China, meanwhile, is burdened with government-controlled banks and other hugely inefficient state-owned enterprises that still produce a significant share of GDP and employ a quarter of the workforce.
Indians have a natural bent toward technology, as was pointed out to me by the U.S. ambassador to India when I visited him in his New Delhi office in 1986. The ability of India’s many engineers and scientists to communicate in English is also a big help. Furthermore, the booming information-technology sector relies more on new technologies such as satellite transmission than it does on India’s utilities and inadequate basic infrastructure.

English Speakers

U.S. and European companies outsource many back-office and even legal and medical services to India. Outsourcing now yields about $69 billion in annual revenue, accounting for a quarter of Indian exports. The lower wages in India and English-language skills of call-center employees offer big advantages to this industry.
Another asset for India, as well as China, is a rapidly growing middle class. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP estimates that 470 million Indians, or 38 percent of the population, had annual incomes of between $1,000 and $4,000 in 2010, enough to permit some discretionary spending. The number of consumers with such ready cash is expected to jump to 570 million in a decade, with about $1 trillion in income.
The household-savings rate is high, almost 30 percent. Even so, 82 percent of Indian households had phones, usually mobile, last year. Of the 247 million Indian households, 77 percent owned televisions, and 42 percent had bicycles, motor scooters or motorcycles, though only 10 percent possessed a motor vehicle, according to the 2011 census of India. Furthermore, much of Indian household saving is invested in gold and the dowries of yet-to-be married daughters.
Another strong point is that the Reserve Bank of India is relatively independent of government influence, while the People’s Bank of China is completely controlled by the state. During the recent regime change in China, the PBOC governor, Zhou Xiaochuan, was dropped from the list of 205 members of the Communist Party’s Central Committee and is apparently being forced into retirement. Politicians, not central bankers, call the monetary shots in China.
India has a vigorous and opinionated free press, compared with China’s state-controlled propaganda machine. Internet use in India is expanding, although it is still tiny compared with the U.S. and even its BRIC cohorts: Brazil, Russia and China.

(A. Gary Shilling is president of A. Gary Shilling & Co. and author of “The Age of Deleveraging: Investment Strategies for a Decade of Slow Growth and Deflation.” The opinions expressed are his own. This is the first in a five-part series.)

About A Gary Shilling»
A. Gary Shilling, a Bloomberg View columnist, is president of A. Gary Shilling & Co., a consultancy in Springfield

To contact the writer of this article: A. Gary Shilling at insight@agaryshilling.com

To contact the editor responsible for this article: Max Berley at mberley@bloomberg.net

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-16/why-india-will-displace-china-as-global-growth-engine.html
 
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For hindsight, let's look at a few predictions over the last few years:

Indian economy will grow faster than Chinese in 2012: World Bank - The Times of India
(Prediction didn't come true.)

India to outpace China by 2011: WB
(Prediction didn't come true.)

India to overtake China as fastest growing economy - YouTube

OK let's be serious for a moment.

YES, India CAN outpace China's growth. Considering that China's economy was 7.3 trillion in 2011, it will become harder and harder for us to grow fast due to the enormous amount of GDP we have to add every year.

India on the other hand, with a 1.5 trillion GDP in 2011, needs to add far less to their economy to grow at double-digits. At this stage of development, India should be growing at double digits, but inefficient bureaucracy has led India now to this growth rate:

India to see 4.5 per cent GDP growth this fiscal: OECD - Economic Times
 
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India will not be able to displace China as growth engine-at least for next 10 years

However, if GOI takes right steps, Indian economy can have higher GDP growth rate than Chinese Economy(which already happened in 2010, for brief period) and gap between 2 economies can become significantly smaller.

For that performance Indian Service Sector and Manufacturing Sector must remain constantly high and GDP growth rate must remain above 6.5% for next 10 years.
 
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the guys seems know very little about china,now most Chinese people are pretty much covered by certain types of medicare and China's social factors key indicators such as life expectancy,infant mortality,literacy rate...are up to par with developed countries,and confucian values do have its advantages in developing economy,see what happened in Japan,Korea,Singapore,Taiwan and Hongkong.
 
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Several centuries of British colonial rule left India with a vigorous democracy and a parliamentary form of government. As in the U.S., these kinds of institutions are very well adapted to running a large, religiously diverse country where the central government is constrained by increasingly powerful states and weak coalition governments. China, however, remains centrally controlled, with the Communist Mao Dynasty, as I’ve dubbed it, simply replacing the dynasties of old.

The British also left India with a railway system that enabled the relatively easy movement of people and goods in that vast country. By contrast, China doesn’t grant resident status to farmers who move to urban areas in search of work.

this guys is so funny,his mind was stuck half a century ago,he thinks that China is still the same as Mao's era and he believes that India was left a good railway system of which China can only dream .and he doesn't know China has the biggest migrant worker population in the world,he thinks that all Chinese are forbidden to move around.what an idiot,lol...

English Speakers

The lower wages in India and English-language skills of call-center employees offer big advantages to this industry.

Do Japanese and Koreans speak English? tribal people living in former Bristish Africa speak much better English than eastern Asians in spite of the fact they still live a hunting and gathering life there.
 
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it is definitely possible ..after all who expected that china can compete with u.s economy 2 decades ago???times change..

That's just the thing though. The world expected China to collapse after the 1989 Tiananmen incident, but instead we have grown stronger and stronger. We did the opposite of the expectations.

Meanwhile, the world expected India to follow in China's footsteps with many decades of double-digit growth. But India also, has not gone with the expectations.

Everyone HAS potential, everyone. The question is, who is going to turn potential into actual results?
 
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it is definitely possible ..after all who expected that china can compete with u.s economy 2 decades ago???times change..
I agree that that can happen ,but please give some better reasons to back the claim up ranther than this lunatic hdypochondria,I can even come up with some better ones off the top of my head than his nonsense.
 
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For hindsight, let's look at a few predictions over the last few years:

Indian economy will grow faster than Chinese in 2012: World Bank - The Times of India
(Prediction didn't come true.)

India to outpace China by 2011: WB
(Prediction didn't come true.)

India to overtake China as fastest growing economy - YouTube

OK let's be serious for a moment.

YES, India CAN outpace China's growth. Considering that China's economy was 7.3 trillion in 2011, it will become harder and harder for us to grow fast due to the enormous amount of GDP we have to add every year.

India on the other hand, with a 1.5 trillion GDP in 2011, needs to add far less to their economy to grow at double-digits. At this stage of development, India should be growing at double digits, but inefficient bureaucracy has led India now to this growth rate:

India to see 4.5 per cent GDP growth this fiscal: OECD - Economic Times

It already happened, though for a brief period

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rc...0ICwAQ&usg=AFQjCNHEDzstaSloNFwYX5DnUJQvq49phw

other points raised by you are right

kindly read post No. 4
 
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It already happened, though for a brief period

In 2010, using a different accounting method, India was able to get what 0.01% ahead? Officially, using the standard Indian accounting method, India's growth rate was 8% that year.

And growth is meaningless unless it is "sustained" over a long period of time. Afghanistan and Qatar can jump by 20% in a single year, but what is the average sustained growth rate?
 
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India now should worry more about being left behind further and further instead of dreaming of overtaking China.30 years ago no Chinese people every talked about overtaking,it just happened quitely and naturally.
 
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That's just the thing though. The world expected China to collapse after the 1989 Tiananmen incident, but instead we have grown stronger and stronger. We did the opposite of the expectations.

Meanwhile, the world expected India to follow in China's footsteps with many decades of double-digit growth. But India also, has not gone with the expectations.

Everyone HAS potential, everyone. The question is, who is going to turn potential into actual results?

it has nothing to do with the world predictions dude...many predicted ww3 in 20th century..china have its own advantages over india..and india has its own..being a democracy with so much diversity. india can grow slow..at the same time it is equally concentrating in increasing the living standards of the people..china being an authoritarian state can take the decisions faster..india can not...china started economic reforms prior to india and the avg age of chinese is lesser with larger work force...we are now in a position where china is 30 yrs ago..and comparing todays india with china 30 yrs ago...we are in a considerably in a better position...and we have the advantage for atleast 4 to 5 decades now so we have ample time...and in the nect 5 dacades im sure india will be in a better position

India now should worry more about being left behind further and further instead of dreaming of overtaking China.30 years ago no Chinese people every talked about overtaking,it just happened quitely and naturally.

thats not predicted by an indian..we have better works to do than mere predictions
 
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