Why have Pakistan and India Evolved so Differently?

[paritosh]

India is not a gateway to different strategically important bigger regions hence you did not see many powers coming through India into other areas.

I am guessing that it is in historical context.
Well...we have had China and the whole sea-route to resource rich Africa and the S-E asia...Our ports have always had traffic...the British had their capitals in Delhi and Bengal...the gates of Delhi always had more influence than the passes into Afghanistan strategically....it was only in the Indian mainland the trading too place...

Our position was vital and still is and that is not by choice so we have to deal with along with keeping our interests intact as well as territories.

be more precise with where this is going...
China in north is strategic as it helps you out with us..
we are strategic as we are thine enemy...
afghanistan is strategic as you have little federal control in NWFP and maintain a porous border with Afghanistan and of course uncil sam has interests there...
Iran also has issues...these are all recent and man-made things to provide strategic importance.

Blackwater or replace it with word CIA the org has been operating in many countries including yours . We must thank media for opening up things otherwise its nothing new

not to the extent that it operates in yours...and calls all the shots...pays for your news anchors and your mr10%...you know better than me how they operate in Pakistan..you were the one accusing the entire govt. of Pakistan of being on their bankroll...

 

[Von Hölle]

1. Giving verdict based on hindu beliefs is a big slap on secularism and your justice system.

2. Allowing an imaginary character "ram" lala as a player to fight the case is another slap on the so-called secular democracy.

3. The hindu judge was forcing Muslim party to settle babri mosque land case outside the court with saffron Hindu fanatics which is another blow to justice and a slap on fair judicial process.

4. distributing the land a major part among hindu groups and giving outside the mosque land to Muslims is mockery of justice that too on the basis of an imaginary character implies the hindu belief was the basis which is not conforming with idea of a secular judicial system.



RIP to Indian Orange judicial system too




The Indians hoisting Pakistani flag in Indian state of Assam as symbol of voice against the tyrants, in itself a big justification for reality of Pakistan.

bhartis can keep themselves in denial mode about existence of Pakistan but it does not affect us at all

You think a bigot like you can question our believes or our judicial system ??

humble request to all Indians here please do not drop to level of "this posters" here and raise question about Islam ..because you will hurting a lot of Indian muslims!!

 

[DEXTOR]

1. Giving verdict based on hindu beliefs is a big slap on secularism and your justice system.

2. Allowing an imaginary character "ram" lala as a player to fight the case is another slap on the so-called secular democracy.

3. The hindu judge was forcing Muslim party to settle babri mosque land case outside the court with saffron Hindu fanatics which is another blow to justice and a slap on fair judicial process.

4. distributing the land a major part among hindu groups and giving outside the mosque land to Muslims is mockery of justice that too on the basis of an imaginary character implies the hindu belief was the basis which is not conforming with idea of a secular judicial system.



RIP to Indian Orange judicial system too




The Indians hoisting Pakistani flag in Indian state of Assam as symbol of voice against the tyrants, in itself a big justification for reality of Pakistan.

bhartis can keep themselves in denial mode about existence of Pakistan but it does not affect us at all

And you think your posts on PDF will effect all of us..!

 

[MYSTIC]

We have to choose between choices though hard one but at the same time benefiting one too.


You can not compare India with Pakistan viz a viz its choices with regards to strategic location

Pakistan's choice was the right one until WoT. Why cry foul now?

 

[Pride]

Why you chose US over China recently ??

Sorry to jump in.. But we didn't chose either.. we usually continue our business with both.

We are not talking about ALL countries of the world as for now.

Its bharat aka India and Pakistan your Hindu writer is talking about and we are telling him he should not come up with this outdated claim because India has not seen any big proxy involving super powers and hostile nations around.

First of all a writer is writer..Discuss his point of view rather than pointing his religion.. There are very great writer here like Javed Naqwi, Riaz haq, rupee news.. you never seems interested to consider them Muslim writer?? hypocrisy??

Regarding India and Proxy remark, "We are too big and mature to be proxy of any nation " Hence we are still balanced with all current major and growing nations be it US, China, Russia, South Africa or Brazil.

You have strategic location that is China and in that case you still have to face some big proxy. may be in future and then we can talk about how it affects you but for the time being nothing of the sort.

Mark my word, Even you wish from your bottom of heart but we neither were nor will be proxy for any super power hence we are not worried about consequences faced by you currently.

We started from scratches and you had a sound base for growth ranging from education system to defence and industries.

We were talking non sense comparison by author and you started the same.

 

[amigo]

We started from scratches and you had a sound base for growth ranging from education system to defence and industries.[/QUOTE]

so ur trying to say that british never developed area which is today's pakistan.

lahore, sialkot, rawalpindi, karachi, gujranwala,multan etc were huge cities at that time with good industies, education & other facilities.

so stop stating again & again that u started from scratches

 

[divya]

1. Giving verdict based on hindu beliefs is a big slap on secularism and your justice system.

I belive mosque also originates from belief but from a diffrenst group of people.

2. Allowing an imaginary character "ram" lala as a player to fight the case is another slap on the so-called secular democracy.

The character is as imaginary as Allah for whom the muslims wanted the mosque.

3. The hindu judge was forcing Muslim party to settle babri mosque land case outside the court with saffron Hindu fanatics which is another blow to justice and a slap on fair judicial process.

Out of court settlement would be better as it will save a lot of time for the people and the judiciary.

4. distributing the land a major part among hindu groups and giving outside the mosque land to Muslims is mockery of justice that too on the basis of an imaginary character implies the hindu belief was the basis which is not conforming with idea of a secular judicial system.

But the character Allah to whom the mosque was dedicated is equally imaginary aint it?

RIP to Indian Orange judicial system too

By whom the green brigade of Zaid hamid

The Indians hoisting Pakistani flag in Indian state of Assam as symbol of voice against the tyrants, in itself a big justification for reality of Pakistan.

bhartis can keep themselves in denial mode about existence of Pakistan but it does not affect us at all

We dont need pakistan to justify why muslims cannot live with hindus, we are already living together. That explantion if for your side to give to your masses. SEE LOOK THERE ARE THOSE HINDOO EVILS WHO WILL ROT IN HELL...

 

[MYSTIC]

1. Giving verdict based on hindu beliefs is a big slap on secularism and your justice system.

2. Allowing an imaginary character "ram" lala as a player to fight the case is another slap on the so-called secular democracy.

3. The hindu judge was forcing Muslim party to settle babri mosque land case outside the court with saffron Hindu fanatics which is another blow to justice and a slap on fair judicial process.

4. distributing the land a major part among hindu groups and giving outside the mosque land to Muslims is mockery of justice that too on the basis of an imaginary character implies the hindu belief was the basis which is not conforming with idea of a secular judicial system.



RIP to Indian Orange judicial system too




The Indians hoisting Pakistani flag in Indian state of Assam as symbol of voice against the tyrants, in itself a big justification for reality of Pakistan.

bhartis can keep themselves in denial mode about existence of Pakistan but it does not affect us at all

What a hypocrite!!!

First you make a mockery of Hindu religious figures and than try to teach other about secularism. As I have pointed in many of my previous post on this forum, Pakistanis only care about muslims and their plight. Atrocities on Hindus is considered imaginary.

 

[Spring Onion]

I am guessing that it is in historical context.
Well...we have had China and the whole sea-route to resource rich Africa and the S-E asia...Our ports have always had traffic...the British had their capitals in Delhi and Bengal...the gates of Delhi always had more influence than the passes into Afghanistan strategically....it was only in the Indian mainland the trading too place...

and you think big powers attacking for expansion and normal trade through your ports are same things??



be more precise with where this is going...

China in north is strategic as it helps you out with us..
we are strategic as we are thine enemy...

You are an enemy to China as well hence we have common interests between China and Pakistan.

afghanistan is strategic as you have little federal control in NWFP and maintain a porous border with Afghanistan and of course uncil sam has interests there...
Iran also has issues...these are all recent and man-made things to provide strategic importance.

Its infact Pakistan is strategic for many reasons

1. Without us those claims of Pukhtun majority in Afghanistan can not be fulfilled completely.

2. If it was not Pakistan today they would not have seen world powers coming to knees.

3. Pakistan and Afghanistan are indeed have joint interests conforming with regional peace and prosperity ; oust anyone from this equation and the peace, prosperity in the region is unlikely to come soon

4. Iran is also a direct player in this entire issue hence make it a trio i.e Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan. So now Afghanistan is the center that can not tilt towards any of the two completely therefore we both iran and Pakistan hold some weight.

(Now its going off topic i guess)

not to the extent that it operates in yours...and calls all the shots...pays for your news anchors and your mr10%...you know better than me how they operate in Pakistan..you were the one accusing the entire govt. of Pakistan of being on their bankroll...

US is not involved in a big proxy through India yet hence you dont see such involvement yet otherwise in the past CIA had been active through your neighbouring countries including Sri Lanka and BD viz a viz Indian Ocean episode

And oh the modus operandi was the same using media as you see in our case

 

[paritosh]

Why you chose US over China recently ??

matlab?

We are not talking about ALL countries of the world as for now.

Its bharat aka India and Pakistan your Hindu writer is talking about and we are telling him he should not come up with this outdated claim because India has not seen any big proxy involving super powers and hostile nations around.

we had the US and Russia...the biggest super powers in the history of mankind and still we were able to balance our act out...
while we supported russia...we never let them have an airbase on our territory...while Pakistan was busy fielding U2 bombers...not a single russian airforce plane ever took off from India...

You have strategic location that is China and in that case you still have to face some big proxy. may be in future and then we can talk about how it affects you but for the time being nothing of the sort.

china can never be big enough to make us some kind of proxy...
our economic growth rate makes us viable to hold off the Chinese pressure for years to come...without any external help.

We started from scratches and you had a sound base for growth ranging from education system to defence and industries.

This an overkilled excuse...along with the zillion industries we got...we also inherited the socio-economic problems of the sub-continent...while you got a fresh country...we had to struggle to raise the 700 million of our lot from poverty...fight famines...the zamindari system...rebellions...border disputes...and what not...

 

[Spring Onion]

What a hypocrite!!!

First you make a mockery of Hindu religious figures and than try to teach other about secularism. As I have pointed in many of my previous post on this forum, Pakistanis only care about muslims and their plight. Atrocities on Hindus is considered imaginary.

Let us keep the emotional side here as when you are talking about Court and its proceeding NOWHERE in the world judicial system any god is allowed to context the case in the court


babri mosque verdict was based on Hindu beliefs how come you call it fair that ram (god) is fighting the case in the court

and you also has seeta ki rasoi distributing to the Hindus in the case

 

[Pride]

1. Giving verdict based on hindu beliefs is a big slap on secularism and your justice system.

2. Allowing an imaginary character "ram" lala as a player to fight the case is another slap on the so-called secular democracy.

3. The hindu judge was forcing Muslim party to settle babri mosque land case outside the court with saffron Hindu fanatics which is another blow to justice and a slap on fair judicial process.

4. distributing the land a major part among hindu groups and giving outside the mosque land to Muslims is mockery of justice that too on the basis of an imaginary character implies the hindu belief was the basis which is not conforming with idea of a secular judicial system.



RIP to Indian Orange judicial system too




The Indians hoisting Pakistani flag in Indian state of Assam as symbol of voice against the tyrants, in itself a big justification for reality of Pakistan.

bhartis can keep themselves in denial mode about existence of Pakistan but it does not affect us at all

If you want to actually understand Indian Judiciary from Pakistani perspective then ask Kasab who is still alive with the virtue of same. We dont need your (religiously bonded, hate filled) expert comments on the same.

 

[divya]

Let us keep the emotional side here as when you are talking about Court and its proceeding NOWHERE in the world judicial system any god is allowed to context the case in the court


babri mosque verdict was based on Hindu beliefs how come you call it fair that ram (god) is fighting the case in the court

and you also has seeta ki rasoi distributing to the Hindus in the case

The courts verdict was on the basis of the archeological survey reports and on the basis of belief system. First there were remains of the temple present. Second the place was pious for hindus and was hardly used by muslims for praying. Is it that hard to understand to the green brigade.

 

[Spring Onion]

I belive mosque also originates from belief but from a diffrenst group of people.


The character is as imaginary as Allah for whom the muslims wanted the mosque.

They wanted the land as it was their worship place a physical structure where Muslim offer their prayers not because Allah was born their unlike Hindus who claimed its their god's birthplace.

So the bottom line is Muslims want their worship place not for Allah but for their prayers.

Out of court settlement would be better as it will save a lot of time for the people and the judiciary.

Saving time at the cost of death of justice is a sorry affair.

If for the last almost 20 years the two parties could not solve the matter out of court then there was NO chance that weaker party that is the Muslims in this case could have got justice from Hindu fanatics outside the court.


That is why they went to the court for justice as like many they also had misconception that may be Indian justice system would be fair.

But the so-called Indian justice system asked the weaker Muslims to go and settle it with Saffron brigade militants who are involved in killing of thousands of Muslims in Gujjrat and demolition of the same babri mosque

But the character Allah to whom the mosque was dedicated is equally imaginary aint it?

Allah is not allowed to contest a trial in the court unlike hindu god ram who was a party to the case in babri mosque issue.

We dont need pakistan to justify why muslims cannot live with hindus, we are already living together.

Its otherway round. Muslims can live with Hindus in India BUT Hindus in India can not live with Muslims.

That explantion if for your side to give to your masses. SEE LOOK THERE ARE THOSE HINDOO EVILS WHO WILL ROT IN HELL...

You live in hell or mars thats not our headache neither we are interested if there will be bhajans going on hell or heaven.

 

[Von Hölle]

Let us keep the emotional side here as when you are talking about Court and its proceeding NOWHERE in the world judicial system any god is allowed to context the case in the court


babri mosque verdict was based on Hindu beliefs how come you call it fair that ram (god) is fighting the case in the court

and you also has seeta ki rasoi distributing to the Hindus in the case

Since you are questioning Indian judicial system and god being party to dispute..lets know your opinion about your much acclaimed blasphemy laws ..where a person is sentenced to death if he question the existence of your god??

How does that work out.. doesn't god the become the victim(a party to dispute) in this case?? and accused can be sentenced to death??