Why gandhi supported kalifah movement and jinnah didnt?

[Myth_buster_1]

please discuss.

 

[FreekiN]

Corrupt Khalifa?
Process of impeachment?
Zardari?

 

[blackops]

Did you mean khilaft movement

 

[PureAryan]

Well, it was a trick by Gandhi to deceive Muslims by supporting for khilafat movement, he wanted votes for non cooperation at Calcutta congress session of 1920 and to show Hindus and Muslims are one nation and can become united under one leader.

His trick failed many Muslims migrated to Afghanistan because they thought bharat was a kafir entity, and Muslims fermented rebellion in some parts of bharat for freedom so Gandhi gave up his support for this khilafat movement to prevent further unrest betraying the Khilafat leaders.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

to show Hindus and Muslims are one nation and can become united under one leader.

Isnt this what jinnah said about pakistan?

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Ghandi knew that Caliphate wont be established (It was in not in the interest of any of the imperial powers) and under the slogan of Caliphate he might be able to prevent the great divide of Hindustan ... !
Jinnah regected it because , he was aware of the fact that Khilafat(Caliphate) Movement was a dead movement and the only way the Muslims of subcontinent (who happened to be very backward from the Hindus in almost every domain) can be protected and the only way there rights can be guaranteed is to struggle for there separate homeland.This struggle didnt took momentum and only after the defeat in 1937 Election Muslim League employed the Slogan , Pakistan ka Matlab Kia La ilaha ilallah(Pakistan's meaning La ilaha ilallah) to attract the massive population which beard the religious sentiments.And hence with the help of ebverybody's cooperation (Right wings, Left wings ,Librals, Secularists)Pakistan was created in the name of Islam later to become Islāmī Jumhūrī-ye Pākistān under the Constitution of 1973 .

 

[T-Faz]

Pakistan ka Matlab Kia La Ilaha Ilallah(Pakistan's meaning) to attract the massive population which beard the religious sentiments.And hence with the help of ebverybody's cooperation (Right wings, Left wings , Librals Secularists) Pakistan came into being.

Wrong, this particular slogan was never popular until Zia's time when it was promoted to change the discourse of the nation to a more religious one.

Here is an excerpt from an article which details Jinnahs angry response to this religiously motivated slogan that actually insults Islam.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010%5C06%5C07%5Cstory_7-6-2010_pg3_5

It is said that Pakistan was created with the use of the slogans “Islam in danger” and “Pakistan ka matlab kya, La illaha ilallah”, both slogans which — ironically — were never used by Quaid-e-Azam himself. Indeed Jinnah ruled out “Pakistan ka matlab kiya, La illaha illallah” when he censured a Leaguer at the last session of the All India Muslim League after partition in these words: “Neither I nor the Muslim League Working Committee ever passed a resolution — Pakistan ka matlab kiya — you may have used it to catch a few votes.”

 

[Truth Teller]

Ghandi knew that Caliphate wont be established (It was in not in the interest of any of the imperial powers) and under the slogan of Caliphate he might be able to prevent the great divide of Hindustan ... !

There was no divide/partition. Both Pakistan and india were created in 1947.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Wrong, this particular slogan was never popular until Zia's time when it was promoted to change the discourse of the nation to a more religious one.

Here is an excerpt from an article which details Jinnahs angry response to this religiously motivated slogan that actually insults Islam.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Its an altogether diff debate and dosent needs backing with such links , can only be established through History .. A few Books .. History of Pakistan

Islamic legitimacy in a plural Asia - Google Books

Pakistan: a modern history - Google Books

A history of Pakistan and its origins - Google Books

 

[T-Faz]

A senior think tank member here by the name of Niaz can confirm the same, he knows because he was there.

But if you can find a factual link to your statement, then do so because I am not going to sift through books trying to find some slogan that was never popular until Zias time.

 

[T-Faz]

As Jinnah himself put it in a radio interview in 1947: “Nationality, rather than religion, is the basis for a separate homeland for the Muslims of India”. The statement often quoted as proof of the ideology that created Pakistan, ‘Pakistan ka matlab kya, La Ilahlah Illallah’ was in fact one that had never been raised from the platform of the Muslim League. An election slogan coined by a Sialkot poet during the 1945 elections to decide the partition of India, it was vehemently opposed by Jinnah himself at a meeting of the Muslim League held under his chairmanship in 1947. The incident is quoted in the memoirs of a member of the council of the Muslim League.

http://archives.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/war-against-taliban-159

Here is another article pertaining to the mentioned fact.

 

[Tashfin]

A senior think tank member here by the name of Niaz can confirm the same, he knows because he was there.

But if you can find a factual link to your statement, then do so because I am not going to sift through books trying to find some slogan that was never popular until Zias time.

Of course you are right, Mr T,
Quaide Azam wanted a progressive, inclusive and democratic Pakistan and all the leading mullahs at that time time were against the so-called partition.

You will only find in bharti books that pakistan was created on religious lines but the fact is, it was always separate

 

[T-Faz]

Of course you are right, Mr T,
Quaide Azam wanted a progressive, inclusive and democratic Pakistan and all the leading mullahs at that time time were against the so-called partition.

You will only find in bharti books that pakistan was created on religious lines but the fact is, it was always separate

Correct, Maulana Maududi, Madani, Azad, Mazhar Ali, Mehmood etc opposed Pakistan.

Only Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani supported Pakistan but he was a minor figure.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

A senior think tank member here by the name of Niaz can confirm the same, he knows because he was there.

But if you can find a factual link to your statement, then do so because I am not going to sift through books trying to find some slogan that was never popular till Zias time.

Noe man, it was very popular , Infact it was the driving force behind the Muslim League's victory after the defeat in 1937 Election. This thing is well established through research and schollary work of many...History cannot be denied.

 

[T-Faz]

This thing is well established through research and schollary work of many...History cannot be denied.

I am denying it with references from historians and factually correct articles.

Present me with this research and scholarly work to support your argument..

Trust me, such things were never a part of Muslim Leagues manifesto.