Why does China have so many agriculture universities?

[AndrewJin]

Just a small selection of all whose names include words like agriculture and or forestry

 

[AndrewJin]

and they are not small at all....

One campus of Nanjing Agricultural University

 

[TaiShang]

I think one of the reasons is that China knows food security is an essential part of national security. As China's vast land requires a more diligent work to grow food, scientific approach is a must. Otherwise, the fate and future of the nation's food will be in limbo all the time, relying on imports of food products and technologies.

Besides, advanced technologies allow to grow more resilient and high-yielding crops. In this, the field is dominated by a small number of Western companies. If China is not present in the field, it will be subject to the whims of monopolistic Western agri-business. This is unacceptable. That's why, unlike many other developing countries, China has never been taken hostage by imperialistic Western business such as Monsanto.

@Cybernetics , @Chinese-Dragon , @Dungeness , @JSCh

 

[AndrewJin]

I think one of the reasons is that China knows food security is an essential part of national security. As China's vast land requires a more diligent work to grow food, scientific approach is a must. Otherwise, the fate and future of the nation's food will be in limbo all the time, relying on imports of food products and technologies.

Besides, advanced technologies allow to grow more resilient and high-yielding crops. In this, the field is dominated by a small number of Western companies. If China is not present in the field, it will be subject to the whims of monopolistic Western agri-business. This is unacceptable. That's why, unlike many other developing countries, China has never been taken hostage by imperialistic Western business such as Monsanto.

@Cybernetics , @Chinese-Dragon , @Dungeness , @JSCh

I've heard those western companies can easily make farmers commit suicide in some countries....
@Bussard Ramjet @Nilgiri

 

[Nilgiri]

I've heard those western companies can easily make farmers commit suicide in some countries....
@Bussard Ramjet @Nilgiri

Where....China? Do you even report your suicides anyway?

 

[TaiShang]

I've heard those western companies can easily make farmers commit suicide in some countries....
@Bussard Ramjet @Nilgiri

Yes, in many developing countries, farmers suffer due to lack of government protection and excessive liberalism.

I guess, however, Indian was one of the countries raised objections against Monsanto's predatory "crop genetics" fascism on developing countries. I am not sure what is the situation now.

But, China has absolute sovereignty over its crops, genetic control, and "property rights."

 

[AndrewJin]

Where....China? Do you even report your suicides anyway?

classic self defence in denial

do people in india even have electricity for reporting system?

Yes, in many developing countries, farmers suffer due to lack of government protection and excessive liberalism.

I guess, however, Indian was one of the countries raised objections against Monsanto's predatory "crop genetics" fascism on developing countries. I am not sure what is the situation now.

But, China has absolute sovereignty over its crops, genetic control, and "property rights."

Their agricultural industry is at the same level, or worse than many Sub-Sahara African countries.

 

[Nilgiri]

classic self defence in denial

From the glorious CPC media-mouth that so transparently reported and covered 10,000+ meat pie creation in tianenmen.

"I am angry!" :

do people in india even have electricity for reporting system?

Have a look:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/asia/india-nasa-satellite-night-trnd/index.html

Things improving even faster now compared to 2012 - 2016 timeframe:

https://www.financialexpress.com/ec...ive-improvement-in-nda-era-see-chart/1186328/

You should focus on helping your higher than mountains friends than wasting time tagging us to these pointless discussions:

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC?locations=PK-IN-BD

Looks like our little bro we helped liberate from your "best buddy" will soon surpass them too @Michael Corleone @Ashes @Mage @bluesky

Yet your CPC team is busy talking to your higher than mountains buddies like this instead of just doing your job and try help them, tsk tsk...because CPC'er chauvinist, "Mao-the-dung" ego always comes first and foremost:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/uyghur-concentration-camps.560751/

 

[Michael Corleone]

Cut out the India vs china crap on this interesting thread at least... The Middle East depend on Indian crops and spices... that demand won’t ever die...

China, I hate to say this... but I’ve had experience in Kuwait where Chinese oranges/ rice were banned because they were chemically sweetened and the rice were fake plastic grains...

Both countries have their ups and downs... let’s focus on the ups yeah!?


On topic... I think China understands that food security is important for it to reach the top and stay there hence so many universities dedicated to what’s going to be a crisis for most of the world in the coming decades.... feeding a growing population with limited lands and resources.

 

[Oldman1]

Yes, in many developing countries, farmers suffer due to lack of government protection and excessive liberalism.

I guess, however, Indian was one of the countries raised objections against Monsanto's predatory "crop genetics" fascism on developing countries. I am not sure what is the situation now.

But, China has absolute sovereignty over its crops, genetic control, and "property rights."

Property rights. LOL! Thats funny.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...eed-theft-exposes-vulnerability-idUSKCN0X80D6

In Iowa corn fields, Chinese national's seed theft exposes vulnerability

ARLINGTON, Iowa (Reuters) - Tim Burrack, a northern Iowa farmer in his 44th growing season, has taken to keeping a wary eye out for unfamiliar vehicles around his 300 acres of genetically modified corn seeds.

Along with other farmers in this vast agricultural region, he has upped his vigilance ever since Mo Hailong and six other Chinese nationals were accused by U.S. authorities in 2013 of digging up seeds from Iowa farms and planning to send them back to China.

The case, in which Mo pleaded guilty in January, has laid bare the value — and vulnerability — of advanced food technology in a world with 7 billion mouths to feed, 1.36 billion of them Chinese.

Citing that case and others as evidence of a growing economic and national security threat to America’s farm sector, U.S. law enforcement officials are urging agriculture executives and security officers to increase their vigilance and report any suspicious activity.

But on a March 30 visit to Iowa, Justice Department officials could offer little advice to ensure against similar thefts, underlining how agricultural technology lying in open fields can be more vulnerable than a computer network or a factory floor.

“It may range down to traditional barriers like a fence and doing human patrols to making sure you get good visuals on what’s occurring,” Assistant Attorney General John Carlin, head of the Justice Department’s national security division, said when touring Iowa State University.

But agriculture sector executives say fences and guards are not feasible, due to the high cost and impracticality of guarding hundreds of thousands of acres.


Tom McBride, intellectual property attorney at Monsanto — one of the firms whose seeds were targeted by Mo — said it safeguards its genetically modified organism (GMO) technology by protecting its computers, patenting seeds and keeping fields like Burrack’s unmarked. Monsanto says it is not considering physical barriers like fences or guards.

The FBI and the U.S. Justice Department say cases of espionage in the agriculture sector have been growing since Mo was first discovered digging in an Iowan field in May 2011. Over the past two years, U.S. companies, government research facilities and universities have all been targeted, according to the FBI.

Although prosecutors were unable to establish a Chinese government link to Mo’s group, the case adds to U.S.-China frictions over what Washington says is increasing economic espionage and trade secret theft by Beijing and its proxies.

A U.S. law enforcement official told Reuters the agency looked for a connection between the Chinese government and the conspiracy carried out by Mo.

“In cases like this, we can see connections, but proving to the threshold needed in court requires that we have documents that the government has directed this,” the official said. “It’s almost impossible to get.”


A Chinese embassy spokesman in Washington, Zhu Haiquan, said he did not have detailed information on the Mo case but that China “stands firm” on the protection of intellectual property and maintains “constant communication and cooperation” with the U.S. government on the issue.

On his visit to Washington last September, President Xi Jinping reiterated China’s denial of any government role in the hacking of U.S. corporate secrets.

Mo, an employee of Chinese firm Kings Nower Seed, pleaded guilty to stealing seed grown by U.S. firms Monsanto, Dupont Pioneer and LG Seeds.

Prosecutors say he specifically targeted fields that grow the parent seeds needed to replicate GMO corn. The FBI says it suspects he was given the location by workers for the seed companies, but did not charge any employees.

DuPont Pioneer and LG Seeds declined to comment for this story.

 

[Nilgiri]

Cut out the India vs china crap on this interesting thread at least... The Middle East depend on Indian crops and spices... that demand won’t ever die...

Refer to who tagged me here and the implied message for it

China, I hate to say this... but I’ve had experience in Kuwait where Chinese oranges/ rice were banned because they were chemically sweetened and the rice were fake plastic grains...

Yah but probably shambolic importer/exporter crap happening there. A country having good import standards would fix it. You should check what Japan does, its crazy...takes OCD to another level, but more countries can scale some basic concept of it at least....of course dependent on how much coin/care you have on the issue.

Both countries have their ups and downs... let’s focus on the ups yeah!?

I'd like for that to happen. But it won't

On topic... I think China understands that food security is important for it to reach the top and stay there hence so many universities dedicated to what’s going to be a crisis for most of the world in the coming decades.... feeding a growing population with limited lands and resources.

Yep, pretty standard for any large population country these days. My hometown Coimbatore has one of the best ones in India (TNAU).

Good to see some collaborations here with BD:

https://books.google.com/books?id=C...ltural university bangladesh students&f=false

 

[TaiShang]

Their agricultural industry is at the same level, or worse than many Sub-Sahara African countries.

Yes, I think their problem is bad management and lack of scientific and coordinated agriculture. Hence, at times, they may have plenty of yield but hunger continues.

Of course, in terms of mechanization, they cannot reach the same level as China, and China also works hard to further improve agriculture management. At least, China works on this. For example, China has its own indigenous positioning system helping farmers to do respond early on quickly for higher yields. China also has advanced drone technology to reduce lots of manual work.

I think China's achievements are not bad considering it is a developing economy, which started from similar (if not worse) economic level with many developing countries. Plus, China's land is more demanding than many other countries' lands.

 

[Cybernetics]

I think one of the reasons is that China knows food security is an essential part of national security. As China's vast land requires a more diligent work to grow food, scientific approach is a must. Otherwise, the fate and future of the nation's food will be in limbo all the time, relying on imports of food products and technologies.

Besides, advanced technologies allow to grow more resilient and high-yielding crops. In this, the field is dominated by a small number of Western companies. If China is not present in the field, it will be subject to the whims of monopolistic Western agri-business. This is unacceptable. That's why, unlike many other developing countries, China has never been taken hostage by imperialistic Western business such as Monsanto.

@Cybernetics , @Chinese-Dragon , @Dungeness , @JSCh

Agriculture runs deep within Chinese culture. Where ever Chinese people go they will grow crops.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2015-07/09/content_21229159.htm

In the modern age, just having a habit of growing crops isn't enough. Like you mentioned, "If China is not present in the field, it will be subject to the whims of monopolistic Western agri-business". Agriculture will always be a matter of life and death. The knowledge requirements for survival had increased drastically, necessitating many specialised institutions. It is a competition for survival.

One of the biggest red flags in the TPP agreement is the ability of multinational corporations to sue governments. Nations that join similar frameworks will have their food security taken away eventually. Within the US, companies like Monsanto owns the rights to the genetics of its GMO crop. There had been cases where these seeds were sprayed into unwilling farmer's fields and agents come in saying they illegally used the seeds for the next season, since the farmers didn't know. The farmer would get sued and to drop the suit, they would have to become a customer. Eventually the farmers become bound to the company, often with less margins than before, eventually being bought out and turned into a mega farm. I have nothing against a free trade agreement but these kinds of international frameworks goes way beyond that. These nations would eventually be owned by multinationals, and not in a good way. Their governments won't have sovereignty. To me this is multi-dimensional warfare.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/...een-as-door-for-foreign-suits-against-us.html

 

[bolo]

Where....China? Do you even report your suicides anyway?

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/ov...-tells-supreme-court/articleshow/58486441.cms

Over 12,000 Indian farmers commit suicides per year.

 

[Nilgiri]

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/ov...-tells-supreme-court/articleshow/58486441.cms

Over 12,000 Indian farmers commit suicides per year.

That is way lower suicide rate than Indian normalised average. So farmers are doing a lot better than average Indian by your logic?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/over...ntre-tells-supreme-court.493205/#post-9441110

Still waiting for a Chinese figure that sounds believable for its farmers and population....and no silly shenanigans like ignoring the gulag labour camp rates.