Why do Asians have double standards for themselves?

[FairAndUnbiased]

Why do many overseas East Asians either lack confidence in themselves or only gain confidence after abandoning their own culture (there's examples on this very forum).

Why do many East Asians lack the confidence to stand up to foreigners committing supposed offenses right in front of their faces, but have no such hesitation to display extreme hostility and outrage towards other East Asians for the same or lesser offenses

Why do many East Asians apologize as a collective for the actions of one (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/world/asia/18cnd-korea.html?_r=1&), but always actively make excuses for foreigners and say they're individuals? (too many examples to list)

Why do many East Asians encourage other people to learn their language even if they struggle, while the globalized media makes fun of East Asian accents despite equal or greater effort?

One more: Why are Chinese usually the ones to point out hypocrisy and bias, while other Asians remain silent in the face of offense?

These are tough questions both to ask and to answer. Nobody wants to ask these uncomfortable questions because they force people to introspect their own values and how they treat others. They are uncomfortable to answer because they may reveal one's own hypocrisy or lack of confidence. But I think these are important questions to ask.

I have a hypothesis, but let's first see what you guys think.

 

[Aepsilons]

Why do many overseas East Asians either lack confidence in themselves or only gain confidence after abandoning their own culture (there's examples on this very forum).

Why do many East Asians lack the confidence to stand up to foreigners committing supposed offenses right in front of their faces, but have no such hesitation to display extreme hostility and outrage towards other East Asians for the same or lesser offenses

Why do many East Asians apologize as a collective for the actions of one (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/world/asia/18cnd-korea.html?_r=1&), but always actively make excuses for foreigners and say they're individuals? (too many examples to list)

Why do many East Asians encourage other people to learn their language even if they struggle, while the globalized media makes fun of East Asian accents despite equal or greater effort?

One more: Why are Chinese usually the ones to point out hypocrisy and bias, while other Asians remain silent in the face of offense?

These are tough questions both to ask and to answer. Nobody wants to ask these uncomfortable questions because they force people to introspect their own values and how they treat others. They are uncomfortable to answer because they may reveal one's own hypocrisy or lack of confidence. But I think these are important questions to ask.

I have a hypothesis, but let's first see what you guys think.

Very interesting thread @FairAndUnbiased , before I contribute, I would like to reiterate what the United States' foreign policy makers used to refer to East Asians in days long past, "The Yellow Peril". Perhaps we should study the reasons for this fear and mistrust of East Asians in general. No doubt Western media's stereotypical portrayal of East Asians has only reinforced this subjectivity onto East Asians living in the West.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

It isn't just in the West though. It happens right in front of your faces in Asia!! Check the Hong Kong videos, they will make you sick from the hypocrisy.

 

[Aepsilons]

@FairAndUnbiased ,

For example, let me introduce this impudent video that some people find funny. And what is only scathing to see is that it is an East Asian American that is propagating western stereotypes.

We could go in depth , if you want...

Btw, I personally find it quite insulting to see East Asians in the US that think such 'jokes' are funny.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

@FairAndUnbiased ,

For example, let me introduce this impudent video that some people find funny. And what is only scathing to see is that it is an East Asian American that is propagating western stereotypes.

We could go in depth , if you want...

I will watch this video and discuss in depth later.

 

[Gufi]

Why do many East Asians apologize as a collective for the actions of one (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/world/asia/18cnd-korea.html?_r=1&), but always actively make excuses for foreigners and say they're individuals? (too many examples to list)

that sir is the question asked by many non western civilizations. The issue is our acceptance of the views of the Western media. When one person is characterized as a whole people in some instances and in others every excuse from individual acts all the way to insanity are used....

Plus fear can be passed on genetically and there is being research done on genetics having effect on the submissive mindset also

 

[mike2000]

Interesting.. I already talk about this, buy many Chinese and even Indian posters jumped on me and started making personal attacks saying I'm a white supremacists and bla bla bla Loool. Truth ALWAYS hurts.

 

[Aepsilons]

Interesting.. I already talk about this, buy many Chinese and even Indian posters jumped on me and started making personal attacks saying I'm a white supremacists and bla bla bla Loool. Truth ALWAYS hurts.

Mike, the OP is merely showing some hypocrisy of some segments of the population. I would say also that people who over-glorify Gaijin over their own are not just traitors, but they also suffer a sense of low internal locus control. This process can also be explained by the defense mechanism working against interpersonal rejection. In an example, an adolescent who experiences the rejection of his or her mother, father’s rejection, as well as peer rejection will have higher instance of internal shame, this internal shame will lead to susceptibility to being highly malleable to foreign impression. There is actually a specialty in Psychology that focuses on this --- the linkage of malleability and adolescent ego-centrism. If you have the time do read into Piaget's Operational Thought Stage and Elkind's works on Theory of the Mind and Adolescent Egocentrism.


Regards,

 

[mujhaidind]

White-Worship is not restricted to only East Asia. Its everywhere from S.Asia to to Middle-East to Africa.

 

[mike2000]

Mike, the OP is merely showing some hypocrisy of some segments of the population. I would say also that person who over-glorify Gaijin over their own are not just traitors, but they also suffer a sense of low internal locus control. This process can also be explained by the defense mechanism working against interpersonal rejection. In an example, an adolescent who experiences the rejection of his or her mother, father’s rejection, as well as peer rejection will have higher instance of internal shame, this internal shame will lead to susceptibility to being highly malleable to foreign impression. There is actually a specialty in Psychology that focuses on this --- the linkage of malleability and adolescent ego-centrism. If you have the time do read into Piaget's Operational Thought Stage and Elkind's works on Theory of the Mind and Adolescent Egocentrism.


Regards,

I know bro, I myself have witnessed this during my many travel/visits in Asia. They still generally look up to us white than their own brothers. Though to be honest its not just asians, I have seen this in many other continents as well. But I was surprised to witnessed it in ven rich/wealthier esat asian countries as well like Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan and even Japan etc, thought it would have been restricted to poorer south Asian countries.

 

[Aepsilons]

I know bro, I myself have witnessed this during my many travel/visits in Asia. They still generally look up to us white than their own brothers. Though to be honest its not just asians, I have seen this in many other continents as well.

Why are you grinning and bouncing about ? You find it amusing? The point I'm trying to make and I'm sure @FairAndUnbiased posits the same is this --- people need to have more self confidence of their own. Why over-glorify a foreign culture ?

Let me give a personal anecdote. There's a woman who works in my University's Department of Psychology, she's one of the administrative assistants at work, a woman who's originally from Russia. There's never a day when I'm at work that she doesn't tell me about news about what's going in Russia (and yes i do like to talk to her because she's quite well-read in things international ). This woman -- is proud of her Russian background, and even defends what Russia is doing -- in Europe , it may not be a popular position -- in context to the American position -- but she nevertheless defends it. I like this woman, she has spunk and definitely is proud of her origin, despite her living and working in the 'states.

For me, doesn't matter if the person is from Zimbabwe, Mexico or what not. At least have some sense of confidence.

 

[senheiser]

i agree with you american media is quite racist to Asians. They always were, from the day when japan attacked them to when japan almost surpassed their economy. today again as china will surpass their economy. Its okay for them because it fullfills their needs to up beat their population into its us against them mentality.

But to be fair you dont see many white people in Hong Kong, so its naturally that people who look different are looked as foreigners in asia who arent costumed to rules and culture there, tough a lot of whites got harassed in asia as well just search for youtube videos.

 

[Aepsilons]

They always were, from the day when japan attacked them to when japan almost surpassed their economy. today again as china will surpass their economy. Its okay for them because it fullfills their needs to up beat their population into its us against them mentality.

Historically speaking, The United States' aversion of East Asians extends back to the 19th century with the arrival of Chinese and Japanese workers in Hawaii and the West Coast. Heck, they even promulgated Anti-Miscegenation Laws preventing the 'race mixing' of East Asian men and Caucasian women.

ArtLung : California’s History of Miscegenation Laws ~ 28 Oct 2008

Study of Asian immigration reveals group distinctions, roots of 'Chinatowns'

 

[Steve781]

Nobody considers East Asians inferior. They are considered superior if anything.
The attitude Japanese, Chinese, Koreans etc have towards Africans, South Asians, Southeast Asians, Middle Easterners and other groups is far more discriminatory than Western attitudes towards East Asians. In these countries race and nationality are inherently bound together in a highly ethnocentric way which isn't the case any more in Europe and North America

 

[mike2000]

Why are you grinning and bouncing about ? You find it amusing? The point I'm trying to make and I'm sure @FairAndUnbiased posits the same is this --- people need to have more self confidence of their own. Why over-glorify a foreign culture ?

Let me give a personal anecdote. There's a woman who works in my University's Department of Psychology, she's one of the administrative assistants at work, a woman who's originally from Russia. There's never a day when I'm at work that she doesn't tell me about news about what's going in Russia (and yes i do like to talk to her because she's quite well-read in things international ). This woman -- is proud of her Russian background, and even defends what Russia is doing -- in Europe , it may not be a popular position -- in context to the American position -- but she nevertheless defends it. I like this woman, she has spunk and definitely is proud of her origin, despite her living and working in the 'states.

For me, doesn't matter if the person is from Zimbabwe, Mexico or what not. At least have some sense of confidence.

Take it easy buddy, I'm someone who always smiles/don't take things too seriously. Well I believe you should never take life too seriously, since nobody comes out alive anyway. Lol so chilax.
I was just pointing out that what the poster of this thread said is correct, though I'm sure of I was the one who posted such a thread, I will be labeled/called all sorts of names by Chinese and other members on here. Lool Good its a Chinese member himself who posted this. Its always better to face HP to a social problem, than always blaming outsiders and avoiding the real root of the problem(which many people always do). In this regard, I salute the the poster of this thread, seems you really deserve your name. Not many members here can e bold enough to post such a thread regarding them. So kudos to you

As for answers about this phenomenon, to be honest, I don't really have an explanation for this, maybe its due to historical factors?

i agree with you american media is quite racist to Asians. They always were, from the day when japan attacked them to when japan almost suabed their economy. today again as china will surpass their economy. Its okay for them because it fullfills their needs to up beat their population into its us against them mentality.

But to be fair you dont see many white people in Hong Kong, so its naturally that people who look different are looked as foreigners in asia who arent costumed to rules and culture there, tough a lot of whites got harassed in asia as well just search for youtube videos.

Welcome back senheiser, been a while we haven't been seeing you and your Russian friends on here. They suddenly disappeared, meanwhile we have all been having some interesting discussion involving Russia.