Why clean India will never work.

[Shatterpoint]

First of I will say that this is a great idea, clean India is a laudable effort, I have never seen a Indian PM holding a broom before, so I will give kudos to the PM.

Now the negatives, when you have the Untouchables doing all the cleaning, getting abused and denied their basic rights, not getting paid, cleaning the crap with their hands, no wonder they don't care. The problem with India is that the rich, the middle class etc have no respect for the country, when I went to India 2 years ago I saw this first hand.

I saw tourist who were in India embarrassed, how Indians were treating their own country, in fact the tourist were the ones making a effort to keep India clean. I saw some beautiful places in India, but I looked just 20 meters in front of me and all I saw was garbage and filth.

No public toilets anywhere, and the ones that were there were disgusting and filthy, there is no point having clean toilets in fancy malls, where the public are faced with a lack of toilets and disgusting ones at that.

I am not trying to put India or Indians down, but public health is number 1, and India does not are about public hygiene. Sixty percent (60%) of Indians defecate in the open that is sad, not to mention disgusting.

What the PM is doing is a bold effort, a brave effort, I hope this really shakes up the India and gives them a kick up the ***. In India the houses are clean and tidy, but yet they take their garbage and dump it from the nearest balcony.

It's no good shouting slogans on the internet like "I Love my India" or "India is great" if you really love your India then clean India, keep India beautiful, take pride in your country, don't just beat your chest and shout empty slogans.

I really hope India changes, I want to see a clean, beautiful India, and so do millions of tourist, India all you have to do is clean your country and watch the tourist flock in. But most of all India do it for yourselves, for your kids and grand kids, and you will see the difference.

Make it a survival matter, that's the only way this will work.

 

[halupridol]

true story...

ppl need to change,
civic sense honi chahiye

 

[Shatterpoint]

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[Norwegian]

This caste problem in India is exactly the reason why it can never become the aspiring superpower it envision to become in the future!
Caste system in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[wolfschanzze]

This caste problem in India is exactly the reason why it can never become the aspiring superpower it envision to become in the future!
Caste system in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Meh Caste system is vanishing with the advent of Hindutva,
Hinduism is always evolving through ages, this is the churning process,Hindutva erases all Caste boundaries and makes hindus one entity, time and time again Sanatana Dharma Rises up like a Phoenix.
Hey we are still here after 5000 years or more while others perished around us,, We get the bragging rights,we seen history and we have the experience on our side.
Only Pakistan thinks still on caste lines lol,we have problems but we are finishing them unlike you we accept our mistakes and the more you point our mistakes the better we try to become better, you are our evolutionary catalyst! Just like every Chemical Reaction can be slowed down or made fast,eventually we will evolve and you will still remain the same where you are. Non-evolving,Mothballed in the end.

 

[FaujHistorian]

This caste problem in India is exactly the reason why it can never become the aspiring superpower it envision to become in the future!
Caste system in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

not just the caste system.

If it was so, Pakistan will be cleanest place in South Asia

If Imran and TuQ plus their blind followers, $hit and urinate in front of parliament and supreme court

make one of the cleanest places in the country into a pbulic toilet

then the blame is not on caste system

the real blame is on the mindset that pollutes and $hits public places.

 

[halupridol]

This caste problem in India is exactly the reason why it can never become the aspiring superpower it envision to become in the future!
Caste system in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

caste system is bane of our society,but it doesnt have anythng to do with cleanliness..
obviously lack of civic sense is the primary cause,but lot can change if municipal corporations get there act right,n ppl start acting like responsible citizens.

 

[oFFbEAT]

No-one is considered as 'untouchable' in India anymore and the Caste system has been legally abolished long ago.......
Old mentalities may still prevail in some remote places of India......but, by and large, India has gotten rid of all religious and cultural prejudices.......
Therefore, @Shatterpoint, you must shed your prejudices as well and increase the perimeter of your knowledge......the people who you see doing the cleaning works are not 'untouchables', they may very well belong to the so called 'upper class/caste' because jobs are not segregated according to caste/class anymore.......

The problem of uncleanliness does not lie in caste or creed but in the fact that there are no effective Laws and regulations against littering in India....
For ex., your country imposes heavy fines for littering, why do you need such deterrent when you don't face the problem of caste system?? If the fines are withdrawn, you will see your country turning into a dumpster....
People everywhere are same, be it in Europe or India, they are needed to be controlled by rules and regulations.....and that's what India needs to make this 'cleanliness program' a success.....strict rules & regulations and their proper implementation.....

 

[ExtraOdinary]

Truer words were never spoken, all of us Indians have to introspect. Even educated ones throw a plastic bag/wrapper/coffee cups on the road.

 

[janon]

caste system is bane of our society,but it doesnt have anythng to do with cleanliness..

There is partial truth to the claim that the caste system is also responsible. (Not solely responsible though.) In many places, only Dalits would clean the streets or surroundings, especially toilets - brahmins considered it beneath their dignity to do so, or even to mingle with a person who does so.

Of course things are changing now, but historically the caste system has also played a part.

Truer words were never spoken, all of us Indians have to introspect. Even educated ones throw a plastic bag/wrapper/coffee cups on the road.

I find that behaviour even among some of my friends and relatives. Maybe this mass campaign by the PM will raise awareness about it, and shame people into not doing so in future.

Let's all try our best to raise awareness about this issue. Tell your close ones the importance of discarding trash properly, and not on the roads. If you live in a non urban area, tell people about the need for good hygene and sanitation. Take it up with the local bodies (panchayats) if possible. In large cities, campaign all neighbourhoods to keep large trash cans where people can dispose their trash. Tell others not to throw wrappers or banana peels out of their cars and onto public roads - a behaviour I see all the time. If we can make even a 20% difference, our country would be a better place.

 

[Liquidmetal]

oh god how much crap comes out of the indians these days - i know u guys are used to diabolical levels of fecal matter considering the open toilet india is, but to say the caste system is abolished is like saying indians don't have the dowry system or women are not treated like fodder or that there no dalits - but ask the hundreds of millions living in penury because of their low caste - a hindu invention for 5000 years and still going strong - no wonder so many hindu are ashamed and live in denial delusions.

 

[janon]

oh god how much crap comes out of the indians these days - i know u guys are used to diabolical levels of fecal matter considering the open toilet india is, but to say the caste system is abolished is like saying indians don't have the dowry system or women are not treated like fodder or that there no dalits - but ask the hundreds of millions living in penury because of their low caste - a hindu invention for 5000 years and still going strong - no wonder so many hindu are ashamed and live in denial delusions.

You should tell this to our Prime Minister, who is from a backward caste. I'm sure he will agree.

 

[halupridol]

@janon

There is partial truth to the claim that the caste system is also responsible. (Not solely responsible though.) In many places, only Dalits would clean the streets or surroundings, especially toilets - brahmins considered it beneath their dignity to do so, or even to mingle with a person who does so.

again what does it have to do with cleanliness which op describes,,,pissing,sh#tting,spitting,littering n mch more in public places is what its concerned with imo.
cause i dont think "untouchables" cleaned the toilets n dumped the feces in public places

 

[janon]

@janon

again what does it have to do with cleanliness which op describes,,,pissing,sh#tting,spitting,littering n mch more in public places is what its concerned with imo.

That is one reason for filth. Today's movement is also about sanitation and hygene, which is why the promise to build crores of toilets was made, and toilet cleaning was performed. These are tasks that upper castes thought objectionable to do, which is why many households in India have very dirty toilets, if they cannot afford to hire somebody to clean it. This contributes to poor health.

And even about the cleanliness of roads - in many places, due to the castist mindset, only people from a certain (very low) caste will take up the job of cleaning gutters, sewers or roadsides. Upper castes will not do it, even if more people are needed for the job.

 

[Genesis]

lol, these journalists, morons. What exactly does this person think will happen with this movement. Or lack there of.

Everything needs a start, just like Chinese tourists, you can't change them overnight, it takes time, but as soon as you start, some effects gets taken.

If not doing it is the reason to not do it, then nobody do anything, cause doing something might change something.

Though there are exceptions, American tourists.....and Brits