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Why Bangladesh overtook Pakistan

He has stated some simple facts that I see no issue with regardless of his liberal leaning. Both nations have different national interests, doesn't take much qualification to see that.
 
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There maybe discrepancies coming from Bangladesh govt sources on some of these figures but most of the time figures put out by multilateral agencies usually correlates or at least not widely off the mark either, So as far i see there is no reason to disagree with these facts

Bangladeshi's are definitely improving both at economic and livelihood matter, At most aspects faster than their Sub continental counter parts.. That's what counts really

I disagree given:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...o-lead-world-bank.598776/page-4#post-11129373

Maybe Bangladesh is improving faster than Pakistan nowadays. But certainly not faster than India and Nepal.

Which multilateral agencies survey inside of Bangladesh independently of the Bangladeshi govt anyhow (i.e use separate data to that of BD govt)? If such doesn't occur, the data is ultimately correlated to the credibility of the source (and lets face it, BD does not rank well at all in institutional metrics and corruption perception).

Its now apparent to growing number of BD people themselves just whats going on with the "BBS" (given people are apparently consuming less calories now and physically earning less as a household compared to before):

https://opinion.bdnews24.com/2017/12/18/where-did-the-benefits-of-economic-growth-disappear/

Curiously, these forecasts have been always significantly lower than the final BBS estimates during the last several years. This pattern of non-random errors in the forecasts has led to the suspicion of inaccuracies, or worse, willful manipulations of the national accounts data.

In the absence of a robust explanation as to why these experts could be mistaken, the suspicion has grown to almost a conviction. This is an unnecessary and avoidable situation that adversely affects the quality of analyses and evidence-based policymaking.
 
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Not a big deal, forex reserves change with time. and $32 b isn't like a great figure.



Can some one quote debt per capita of other countries like US, and stuff?



Again policies can abruptly change this figure in a matter of years, so no big deal.



So if some people say, it should be true then I guess. because its some not most or all...



Totally agreed, rest is all narrative driven. I guess he didn't find anything else to write on.

Damn dude you got it all figured out !!
I assume you have 2 PhDs in economics from Ivy League Universities, one post PhD from LSE, and many other accolades, which makes me wonder why your PM Imran Khan is not hiring you as the Finance Minister.

I am sure you can run circles around the present FM !
 
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Damn dude you got it all figured out !!
I assume you have 2 PhDs in economics from Ivy League Universities, one post PhD from LSE, and many other accolades, which makes me wonder why your PM Imran Khan is not hiring you as the Finance Minister.

I am sure you can run circles around the present FM !

:-)

In PDF some people are 'add-water-instant-expert'!

No need for humility or self-doubt.
 
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Like him so much? have him as a gift from us.
He's a PhD in nuclear physics from MIT. I'll gladly take him to Bangladesh and give him a high post in Bangladesh atomic energy commission. In return we will send a Jamaati Mullah to Pak.

Rest of your posts sums up the problem with Pakistan. Well, Pakistan will go the way Pakistanis want it to go. So enjoy the ride.
 
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Damn dude you got it all figured out !!
I assume you have 2 PhDs in economics from Ivy League Universities, one post PhD from LSE, and many other accolades, which makes me wonder why your PM Imran Khan is not hiring you as the Finance Minister.

I am sure you can run circles around the present FM !


Damn dude Hoodbhoy got it all figured out !!
I assume he has 2 PhDs in economics from Ivy League Universities, one post PhD from LSE, and many other accolades, which makes me wonder why our PM Imran Khan is not hiring him as the Finance Minister.

I am sure compared to the Bangladeshi's, he will be able to lick Indian boots better. Quote me your GDP per capita, or how much land per capita a person in Bangla owns? Now spin it without replying to a different topic like rest of country mates keep doing here. LUL.

No need for humility or self-doubt.

Advice is good when you never apply it own yourself. lewl hypocritical bunch of ___

In return we will send a Jamaati Mullah to Pak.

Nahh you keep them we have our bunch who probably got less than 10 national seats throughout whole Pakistan, and take hoodbhoy as friendship gesture, nothing required in return.

He's a PhD in nuclear physics from MIT. I'll gladly take him to Bangladesh and give him a high post in Bangladesh atomic energy commission.

Hahaha, that's what you dream of, he has the habit of spouting non-sense which is totally non-related to his field. His main job is to spout none-sense on subjects that doesn't concern him. On one day he will be talking about Qadiyani's, the next day he would be talking on Islam, later he would be talking about how US is so great that we should always lick it's boots. He just has that habit, doubt me? just read his articles.
 
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Hahaha, that's what you dream of, he has the habit of spouting non-sense which is totally non-related to his field. His main job is to spout none-sense on subjects that doesn't concern him. On one day he will be talking about Qadiyani's, the next day he would be talking on Islam, later he would be talking about how US is so great that we should always lick it's boots. He just has that habit, doubt me? just read his articles.

Well I got sucked into a debate against my common sense so I will share a quote from my favorite psychotherapist Dr. Hurd...
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The inability to tolerate dissension is a confession that one’s viewpoint was formed emotionally, not rationally or objectively. If a viewpoint was formed rationally, there is no threat posed by an opposing opinion or question. The inner reaction to such an opposing opinion will be something like: “He’s mistaken. I can prove why, if it’s worth my time and if he’s interested. No threat, though.” But if a viewpoint is emotionally held, it’s another story. The inner reaction to dissension goes something like this: “I won’t be proven wrong. I can’t be proven wrong. I will not be questioned!”

Holding firm to a point-of-view is not proof that you cannot tolerate dissension. Holding firm simply means you’re convinced you’re right, you know why, and you see no reason to revisit old points of persuasion just because somebody is serving them up to you.

There are many ways someone can show they will not tolerate dissension. One is to cry. Another is to shout. Another is to calmly and coolly intimidate by getting personal. Another is to change the subject. Still another is to advocate shutting down freedom of speech in some context. There are many contexts, degrees and methods for displaying intolerance of dissent. They all spring from the same source: Emotional insecurity. The emotional insecurity, in turn, arises from a sense that one is probably wrong, and cannot accept it; or that one feels right, but cannot say why.

The least reasonable people are the ones who cannot tolerate dissent or disagreement.

https://drhurd.com/2008/11/10/people-who-cant-tolerate-disagreement/

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I believe the reason why some people hate Dr. Hoodbhoy in Pakistan (an educated person by any measure in any country) is because he is challenging the status quo that exists there (feudal rule by some exploitative elite with help from the Army) and who is running Pakistan into the ground by chori and misrule (these are as obvious as the noses on everyone's faces). Sooner or later, as the poor get poorer, these things will come to a head.

If Dr. Hoodbhoy - as a responsible Pakistani citizen, says something and you or any Pakistani diss him or start a propaganda against him as a Jewish agent (because of his opinions) then you all are the unreasonable ones and not him. You can disagree with him and debate him, but not discredit his opinion. He has a perfect right to his opinion, last time I checked.

What I got from his article was that he is sad to see a once great country devolve into the abyss of third-world-ship only by dint of mismanagement of fiscal and economic affairs. If he WAS a Jewish agent he'd have no reason to say this. Some people are a bit thick and a bit too paranoid.

At the end of the day (and this is me as a non-Pakistani speaking) we want a strong, happy, educated, economically prosperous Pakistan, and not a Talibanized hellhole that is worse than Afghanistan. No offense to Afghanis.

The attempt to discredit his credibility and opinions is coming from Pakistani quarters whose very existence are threatened by him (Feudal families and their friends in the armed forces in Pakistan). If you don't belong to any of these groups, then that would be an irony, because you are speaking against yourself.
 
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I disagree given:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...o-lead-world-bank.598776/page-4#post-11129373

Maybe Bangladesh is improving faster than Pakistan nowadays. But certainly not faster than India and Nepal.

Which multilateral agencies survey inside of Bangladesh independently of the Bangladeshi govt anyhow (i.e use separate data to that of BD govt)? If such doesn't occur, the data is ultimately correlated to the credibility of the source (and lets face it, BD does not rank well at all in institutional metrics and corruption perception).

Its now apparent to growing number of BD people themselves just whats going on with the "BBS" (given people are apparently consuming less calories now and physically earning less as a household compared to before):

https://opinion.bdnews24.com/2017/12/18/where-did-the-benefits-of-economic-growth-disappear/

Curiously, these forecasts have been always significantly lower than the final BBS estimates during the last several years. This pattern of non-random errors in the forecasts has led to the suspicion of inaccuracies, or worse, willful manipulations of the national accounts data.

In the absence of a robust explanation as to why these experts could be mistaken, the suspicion has grown to almost a conviction. This is an unnecessary and avoidable situation that adversely affects the quality of analyses and evidence-based policymaking.

Well one cannot deny they have made marked improvements especially in HDI's, While Pakistan have been regressing in many of it's own Human development programs especially in education and in health.. This no one can deny, Irrespective of the source and it's lack of credit it's quite evident.. There may be multitude of reasons for this as many Pakistani posters have tried to highlight but in the end it boils down to the priorities of governance and the attitude of the people

And another aspect is Bangladesh is rising from a very low base, Hence it's natural they're showing bigger growth numbers, Doesn't necessarily mean they have over taken or even caught up India in most economic fronts but the growth trajectory is higher

I agree with you being one of the most corrupt nations to their own admission it's hard to believe the numbers coming from BBS but even if you disregard that there are enough evidence to correlate much of the human development gains.. And i certainly do not agree that 100's of badly made CGI posted here daily of supposedly being build is the real pic or some of obnoxious claims from the usual Bongle Stronk Brigade is the reality, Far from it :lol:

But credit need to be given where it's due.. And i'm quite glad of that development, It's really good for the region as a whole
 
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Well one cannot deny they have made marked improvements especially in HDI's, While Pakistan have been regressing in many of it's own Human development programs especially in education and in health.. This no one can deny, Irrespective of the source and it's lack of credit it's quite evident.. There may be multitude of reasons for this as many Pakistani posters have tried to highlight but in the end it boils down to the priorities of governance and the attitude of the people

And another aspect is Bangladesh is rising from a very low base, Hence it's natural they're showing bigger growth numbers, Doesn't necessarily mean they have over taken or even caught up India in most economic fronts but the growth trajectory is higher

I agree with you being one of the most corrupt nations to their own admission it's hard to believe the numbers coming from BBS but even if you disregard that there are enough evidence to correlate much of the human development gains.. And i certainly do not agree that 100's of badly made CGI posted here daily of supposedly being build is the real pic or some of obnoxious claims from the usual Bongle Stronk Brigade is the reality, Far from it :lol:

But credit need to be given where it's due.. And i'm quite glad of that development, It's really good for the region as a whole

Well more prosper Bangladesh mean less illegal migran coming from that country and it will good for the rest countries in the region
 
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And another aspect is Bangladesh is rising from a very low base, Hence it's natural they're showing bigger growth numbers, Doesn't necessarily mean they have over taken or even caught up India in most economic fronts but the growth trajectory is higher
BD actually started growing in higher pace at the higher base not the lower base. Thats the advantage BD enjoy against its other peer.
I agree with you being one of the most corrupt nations to their own admission it's hard to believe the numbers coming from BBS but even if you disregard that there are enough evidence to correlate much of the human development gains.. And i certainly do not agree that 100's of badly made CGI posted here daily of supposedly being build is the real pic or some of obnoxious claims from the usual Bongle Stronk Brigade is the reality, Far from it :lol:
I dont think anybody will be interested to pay bribes to the BBS officials to doctor their numbers. Actually they dont have any incentives to do that. There is no profit making by working with BBS.
 
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BD actually started growing in higher pace at the higher base not the lower base. Thats the advantage BD enjoy against its other peer.

What higher base ? Bangladesh started it's growth trajectory as one of the poorest countries on earth and still is regarded as an LCD the lowest base

This is the reason that grants, Trade benefits such as GSP plus, Export incentives such as garment quota's were given by your export markets especially for you RMG industry which is the back bone of your economy, Add to that the huge number of cheapest labour in the region, The day you graduate of the LCD status and loose these benefits then the real hard work start.. then you will see the growth trajectory drastically slow down

Getting out of the middle income trap is doubly hard than graduating from LCD with all the help you get
 
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There are many contexts, degrees and methods for displaying intolerance of dissent. They all spring from the same source: Emotional insecurity.

Yea, and being passive aggressive is one of them. I on the other hand am bluntly aggressive being honest to what I believe. I mean it's not easier to tell the other person shit, when you yourself don't follow it but you here are doing it without any conscience, which I find quite strange.

The least reasonable people are the ones who cannot tolerate dissent or disagreement.

I agree, the reason you can't tolerate my argument is because I am challenging what Hoodbhoy is talking about Bangladesh. To you it's a utopia, or a country which is far ahead of Pakistan. When in reality both countries are poor, when in reality Pakistan at-least has an Army, when in reality Pakistan is at-least not an Indian bootlicker, when in reality Pakistan is at-least a nuclear armed state. Sure to you 1 Takka=1.65 Rs, is a great achievement but in reality it's not. You ignore your GDP per capita which is almost same as Pakistan, you ignore how a common man in bangladesh owns less land compared to Pakistani's. And all your focus is the negatives of Pakistan. It's just a matter of time, some correctional governmental adjustments and the train would be back on track. That is the summary of my whole argument, which you and yuor fellow country-men keep on dodging.


Some people are a bit thick and a bit too paranoid.


Yes, you rightly pointed, Hoodbhoy is. There is a reason why there are multiple articles of him showing his Islamophobia, when in reality if you ask him how many seats Islamic parties won in last election, he would become silent.

At the end of the day (and this is me as a non-Pakistani speaking) we want a strong, happy, educated, economically prosperous Pakistan, and not a Talibanized hellhole that is worse than Afghanistan.

Again tell me how many seats did Religious parties won in last election in Pakistan? or even the election before or even in the history of Pakistan. Religious parties have never come in to power, where as in India BJP win's quite often. So it would be retarded to compare Pakistan to Afghanistan, only a retard who doesn't know Pakistan's history can do that.

No offense to Afghanis.

Offence taken. This is the passive aggressive approach. And again I am the racist here(old comment-linkage), or I am the tilted one here. PC-SJW culture is always like that, you can spin it the way you want. As I said before give respect take respect.

The attempt to discredit his credibility and opinions is coming from Pakistani quarters whose very existence are threatened by him

He is a no-body, no one gives a rat-a55 about him. The only reason I am on this thread is I am getting replied to, and I have the right to self-defend my position and my stance. Other than that look at this thread, how many Pakistani forum members did you find? He is a no-body, his opinions mean shit to Pakistanis.

If you don't belong to any of these groups, then that would be an irony, because you are speaking against yourself.

As I said before, we can't be like Bangladesh, we are not Indian boot-lickers. It's not ironical, because it is your opinion(same can be said about my statement of Indian bootlicking). The only mistake our fore-fathers made was bind us with Bangladesh. Bangladeshi's only brought embarrassment to us, nothing else.

Reforms are already being introduced by this current government. Just as an example


If some one's head is stuck in past and who is not following the current politics then it's on him. He can blame the army or Islam or something else for rest of his pathetic life but that won't change anything.
 
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