White House pressuring Israel to cut research ties with China over dual-use concerns

[mike2000 is back]

Actually, its Israel try to benefit from those collaboration to steal Chinese technology. US shall encourage and not stopping it... You dont believe it? Let me shown you

What are you even on about dude?? What does this have to do with anything ?
What do you have that you think the US can't offer Israel? Israel doesn't need any tech from China to be honest(there's no tech you can offer that they don't have or that they can't get from the US or the West).
In fact Israel is quite advanced in many sectors itself. Its not for no reason that many chinese private and state owned companies have been investing in Israelis startups and tech companies alot this past years and buying/investing in many israelis tech companies for what they can bring to China. Or you think these Chinese companies are stupid or Dumb? Or you think they do that because they love Israël/Jews? Lol
Why are those tech companies not investing in Chinese friendly countries like Pakistan or North Korean tech industries instead?lol Ask yourself why and you will have your answer.

The US Is Thwarting China’s Love Affair With Israeli Tech

Ahead of President Biden’s visit to Jerusalem, his administration continues to push for more restrictions in a pressure campaign to cut Beijing off from a crucial source of advanced technology.

www.bloomberg.com

How China Learned to Harness Israel’s Media and Booming Tech Scene

To bolster their influence in Israel, Chinese players have leveraged local Hebrew language media to calibrate their messages for Israeli audiences.

carnegieendowment.org

Israel emerges as global foodtech leader, second only to U.S.

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www.haaretz.com

Israel has several sectors in tech industry where they have a good leadership position and advanced over other countries. So if that can be useful to China, then why not? The US is trying to limit this for this reason, since they don't want China to gain an edge over any sector whatsoever(which is normal, since you are an adversary for them). Don't see why you feel insecure about china gaining any tech from israel. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[renhai]

Isreal is the dominant party in its relations with the West, it will put Biden in his place promptly. Biden will apologize, double Isreal's aid and whimper in fear lest he be labeled a antisemite and be robbed of his legacy particularly the financial dividends.

Isreal is the perfect Trojan horse into western know how and tech. Chinese realized this back in early 90s and gulf countries are only now becoming wise to it.

Can you tell me what technology is in Israel?

We all know that Golden Dragon Bus has been eliminated from the Chinese market. Now the main business of Golden Dragon Bus is in some third world countries and "countries with technology" like Israel. Golden Dragon Bus exports outdated technical products to them. "Countries with technology" like Israel seem to love this outdated technology very much.

so Israel still can't make buses in 2022?

What are you even on about dude?? What does this have to do with anything ?
What do you have that you think the US can't offer Israel? Israel doesn't need any tech from China to be honest(there's no tech you can offer that they don't have or that they can't get from the US or the West).
In fact Israel is quite advanced in many sectors itself. Its not for no reason that many chinese private and state owned companies have been investing in Israelis startups and tech companies alot this past years and buying/investing in many israelis tech companies for what they can bring to China. Or you think these Chinese companies are stupid or Dumb? Or you think they do that because they love Israël/Jews? Lol
Why are those tech companies not investing in Chinese friendly countries like Pakistan or North Korean tech industries instead?lol Ask yourself why and you will have your answer.

The US Is Thwarting China’s Love Affair With Israeli Tech

Ahead of President Biden’s visit to Jerusalem, his administration continues to push for more restrictions in a pressure campaign to cut Beijing off from a crucial source of advanced technology.

www.bloomberg.com

How China Learned to Harness Israel’s Media and Booming Tech Scene

To bolster their influence in Israel, Chinese players have leveraged local Hebrew language media to calibrate their messages for Israeli audiences.

carnegieendowment.org

Israel emerges as global foodtech leader, second only to U.S.

***

www.haaretz.com

Israel has several sectors in tech industry where they have a good leadership position and advanced over other countries. So if that can be useful to China, then why not? The US is trying to limit this for this reason, since they don't want China to gain an edge over any sector whatsoever(which is normal, since you are an adversary for them). Don't see why you feel insecure about china gaining any tech from israel. Nothing wrong with that.

idiot. China even invested in Israeli ports. You want to tell me that Israel has "port technology"?

 

[renhai]

What are you even on about dude?? What does this have to do with anything ?
What do you have that you think the US can't offer Israel? Israel doesn't need any tech from China to be honest(there's no tech you can offer that they don't have or that they can't get from the US or the West).
In fact Israel is quite advanced in many sectors itself. Its not for no reason that many chinese private and state owned companies have been investing in Israelis startups and tech companies alot this past years and buying/investing in many israelis tech companies for what they can bring to China. Or you think these Chinese companies are stupid or Dumb? Or you think they do that because they love Israël/Jews? Lol
Why are those tech companies not investing in Chinese friendly countries like Pakistan or North Korean tech industries instead?lol Ask yourself why and you will have your answer.

The US Is Thwarting China’s Love Affair With Israeli Tech

Ahead of President Biden’s visit to Jerusalem, his administration continues to push for more restrictions in a pressure campaign to cut Beijing off from a crucial source of advanced technology.

www.bloomberg.com

How China Learned to Harness Israel’s Media and Booming Tech Scene

To bolster their influence in Israel, Chinese players have leveraged local Hebrew language media to calibrate their messages for Israeli audiences.

carnegieendowment.org

Israel emerges as global foodtech leader, second only to U.S.

***

www.haaretz.com

Israel has several sectors in tech industry where they have a good leadership position and advanced over other countries. So if that can be useful to China, then why not? The US is trying to limit this for this reason, since they don't want China to gain an edge over any sector whatsoever(which is normal, since you are an adversary for them). Don't see why you feel insecure about china gaining any tech from israel. Nothing wrong with that.

oh. Golden Dragon is really helping Israel develop new energy buses.

Golden Dragon Launched Campaigns in Israel to Promote Clean Energy Buses-Golden Dragon Bus-China Top Bus Manufacturer

As China Top Bus Manufacturer,Golden Dragon Supply Bus,Coach,City Bus,Mini Bus,Ven,Intercity Bus,School Bus,Tourist Coach.

www.goldendragonbus.com

Now go to dream~The Israelis say to the Chinese, "We have technology".

 

[TNT]

This is what happens when u thrive on technology given to u as aid. Israeli technology is all american and that is why America can pressure them and force them to act as they wish.

 

[Arsalan345]

LOL.. Yes, like Chinese copy ASBM, DF-41 and hypersonics DF-17 missile, 055 destroyer and even the EMAL onboard Fujian aircraft carrier. Just like how China steal US 5G.

Oh wait! US dont have those things..... Continue to be salty biggot about China success!

And you even got the cheek to fly Pakistan flag. Shall have switch to US flag to shown your true color. You must one of those who supported Bajwa. lol

Oh yeah your weapons are just like your daily videos. I mean even nuclear technology of china has been heavily influenced from Russia. You copied all sukhoi series and name them your own jets. What robbers! Even newer air defence systems are copied from s-300. Organized criminals. You must be flying your Chinese flag but it doesn't work in USA because they deported many Chinese national in the past who were involved in technology theft. Shame

 

[Arsalan345]

Even if I show you all the J-20 design drawings. You still cannot copy J-20.

Even Americans show you all the F-22 design drawings. You still can't copy F-22.

Or you want to tell me. In addition to China, the United States and Russia. Can you also independently design a 5th generation fighter?
…………………………

At the same university. The same teacher teaches many students. Some students will become scientists, and some students will become beggars. Why is the gap so large? Why?

All knowledge is public. This knowledge is even written in books for you to see in detail. But do you have this knowledge?

America is strong because it attracts talents from all over the world. Including American ICBMs designed by the Chinese.

Technology is different from your wallet. You can steal a wallet. However, technology depends on decades of industrial accumulation. Constant research and exploration. Countless experimental demonstrations... Then we can get it. Such a long and difficult process. I'm sorry you can't understand.

This is WS-10. All the secrets are for you to see. You can try to copy it... After all, "technology can be stolen like a wallet".


I now suspect that Israel bought the Chinese Golden Dragon Bus because Israel wanted to steal the Golden Dragon technology.

227 Units Golden Dragon Buses Arrive in Israel for Operation-Golden Dragon Bus-China Top Bus Manufacturer

As China Top Bus Manufacturer,Golden Dragon Supply Bus,Coach,City Bus,Mini Bus,Ven,Intercity Bus,School Bus,Tourist Coach.

www.goldendragonbus.com

Organized crimes like technology theft is usually associated with chinese. Why care for labs if you send your own people abroad just for technology theft? Many Chinese national are already deported from united states and ask yourself why! You know calling yourself a military power isn't an easy thing. You have to show to the world that you are superpower and you do it with your action, unlike china who claims to be a super power.
It doesn't matter what nations are doing. Even those who are begging are not organized criminals like Chinese who steals everything. You should shut your universities and continue to steal. This is what china is doing.

 

[Beast]

Oh yeah your weapons are just like your daily videos. I mean even nuclear technology of china has been heavily influenced from Russia. You copied all sukhoi series and name them your own jets. What robbers! Even newer air defence systems are copied from s-300. Organized criminals. You must be flying your Chinese flag but it doesn't work in USA because they deported many Chinese national in the past who were involved in technology theft. Shame

I think you dont know even the word about shame and keep bootlicking American. You talk as if American never steal anything and is very righteous?

‘Stop stealing’: China slams US over alleged Trojan virus hacking

Probe report cites cyber spy arm of US National Security Agency as source of extensive data-stealing attack on networks across China.

www.scmp.com

Sukhoi Su-27 design right was bought over by China in the late 90s. I guess you dont even know Sukhoi supported team help China to assemble Su-27SK and our J-11 plane in the 2000s. Dealing with Russian are tough business. They dont keep their words when statement stated we bough design right of Su-27 and can modify according to our need...

And just becos our HQ9 looks like S-300 and is copy? Clearly you are an amateur who dont fit to talk about weapon. The guidance system are totally different from Russian system. And you PA even buys the so called copy of S-300. So you better dont complained.

JF-17 is copy of which one? Dont tell me its Pakistan who come out with most of its idea... JF-17 is the brainchild of Yang wei. Same as DF-17, DF-41 and 055 destroyer. May I know is it a copy of which one. Selective statement which try to hide the fact, Chinese can lead and innovate as our technology evolved.

Even US in their early stages of their military copy and borrow plenty of ideas from other. and you think American are clean from start? How many ideas and tech they forced from ex Nazi designers?

 

[renhai]

Organized crimes like technology theft is usually associated with chinese. Why care for labs if you send your own people abroad just for technology theft? Many Chinese national are already deported from united states and ask yourself why! You know calling yourself a military power isn't an easy thing. You have to show to the world that you are superpower and you do it with your action, unlike china who claims to be a super power.
It doesn't matter what nations are doing. Even those who are begging are not organized criminals like Chinese who steals everything. You should shut your universities and continue to steal. This is what china is doing.

China has never claimed to be a "super power" or a "military power". Never. This is a typical Indian lie. The goal is to lower the "super power standard". Let India's claim to be a super power look normal.

Your reply has revealed your real ID. of course, it doesn't matter. After all, Gambia, Somalia, Uganda, India and Afghanistan are not very different.

As I said, "Even if China gives you all the J-20 technology, you can still not copy the J-20". unfortunately. Your country has nothing to do with the word "technology".

About US rejects Chinese students. We are very satisfied with each other. The brain drain problem has plagued China for many years. Now we don't worry about that. Oh. Congratulations to your international student for joining US. Now you can close all universities and laboratories. go to bed. You can get the "technology" tomorrow.

BTW, I can say in China that "China is not a super power". You can also say in India that "India is not a super power"?

 

[Arsalan345]

I think you dont know even the word about shame and keep bootlicking American. You talk as if American never steal anything and is very righteous?

‘Stop stealing’: China slams US over alleged Trojan virus hacking

Probe report cites cyber spy arm of US National Security Agency as source of extensive data-stealing attack on networks across China.

www.scmp.com

Sukhoi Su-27 design right was bought over by China in the late 90s. I guess you dont even know Sukhoi supported team help China to assemble Su-27SK and our J-11 plane in the 2000s. Dealing with Russian are tough business. They dont keep their words when statement stated we bough design right of Su-27 and can modify according to our need...

And just becos our HQ9 looks like S-300 and is copy? Clearly you are an amateur who dont fit to talk about weapon. The guidance system are totally different from Russian system. And you PA even buys the so called copy of S-300. So you better dont complained.

JF-17 is copy of which one? Dont tell me its Pakistan who come out with most of its idea... JF-17 is the brainchild of Yang wei. Same as DF-17, DF-41 and 055 destroyer. May I know is it a copy of which one. Selective statement which try to hide the fact, Chinese can lead and innovate as our technology evolved.

Even US in their early stages of their military copy and borrow plenty of ideas from other. and you think American are clean from start? How many ideas and tech they forced from ex Nazi designers?

It's not me who is saying this. it's the world. you can't shut mouths. Pakistan or the United states isn't some kind of communist state, like yours. Your technology theft is very well documented by Americans themselves. Ok so building better products through reverse engineering isn't an art. You steal. This is true. You copied the whole Sukhi series. i mean even Russians were amazed. PA also has french products. We buy from different countries. Don't give examples of jf-17 or HQ-9. You are progressing which is true but you must admit that you brought technology through unfair means.

China has never claimed to be a "super power" or a "military power". Never. This is a typical Indian lie. The goal is to lower the "super power standard". Let India's claim to be a super power look normal.

Your reply has revealed your real ID. of course, it doesn't matter. After all, Gambia, Somalia, Uganda, India and Afghanistan are not very different.

As I said, "Even if China gives you all the J-20 technology, you can still not copy the J-20". unfortunately. Your country has nothing to do with the word "technology".

About US rejects Chinese students. We are very satisfied with each other. The brain drain problem has plagued China for many years. Now we don't worry about that. Oh. Congratulations to your international student for joining US. Now you can close all universities and laboratories. go to bed. You can get the "technology" tomorrow.

BTW, I can say in China that "China is not a super power". You can also say in India that "India is not a super power"?

I don't care who is superpower. we are discussing technology theft here. I am from Pakistan. Pakistani people have the right to like or dislike. China can't force the Pakistani people to accept their narrative. We can say whatever we want, whatever we feel. We will speak the truth. You are a good friend of Pakistan which is great. I don't want to argue further. it's useless.

 

[Ibr0kEmYrAz0r]

It's not me who is saying this. it's the world. you can't shut mouths. Pakistan or the United states isn't some kind of communist state, like yours. Your technology theft is very well documented by Americans themselves. Ok so building better products through reverse engineering isn't an art. You steal. This is true. You copied the whole Sukhi series. i mean even Russians were amazed. PA also has french products. We buy from different countries. Don't give examples of jf-17 or HQ-9. You are progressing which is true but you must admit that you brought technology through unfair means.


I don't care who is superpower. we are discussing technology theft here. I am from Pakistan. Pakistani people have the right to like or dislike. China can't force the Pakistani people to accept their narrative. We can say whatever we want, whatever we feel. We will speak the truth. You are a good friend of Pakistan which is great. I don't want to argue further. it's useless.

LOL, you may be flagging (falsely or not which I don't care) as a Pakistani on this forum, but you sure Sinophobically trash-talk like some ill-informed self-righteous neocolonialistic crusader. You cannot even fathom and comprehend that China isn't a "communist state" as you mentioned, as a matter of fact, China is a socialist state with a market economy. But you don't engage in intellectual talks and you don't care, instead, you just all trash-talk, and probably trying in vain to drive a wedge between the Pakistani and the Chinese.

A series of blatant and unashamedly attempts trying to belittle and criminalise China ranging from sneaky manipulative wording to direct hate speech attacks on one particular country/ethnicity. Trying to imply "Organized crimes is usually associated with chinese"; "organized criminals like Chinese who steals everything"; "you send your own people abroad just for technology theft"; "What robbers!"; "... china who claims to be a super power" which are all totally false and laughable accusations; you sure don't know any Chinese persons let alone attemping to label 1.4 billion people and the country they live in using the so-called fake news western media as the sources of your disinformation.

You started to flame this thread, and then act hypocritically trying to shrug off the debunking meaningful facts presented by other members on the forum saying "don't want to argue". Wow, how "innocent" and "morally just"...

All these behaviours just reminded me of the numerous attempts that the West was attempting to associate China/the Chinese and East Asian people in general with COVID-19 viruses back in 2020, which were totally wrong, just like you can't associate a civilsation state as "thieves" and "robbers." So STOP being a racist, Arsalan345.

@Arsalan345 Have reported your posts as racism/flaming. Others do feel free to report him.

 

[Arsalan345]

LOL, you may be flagging (falsely or not which I don't care) as a Pakistani on this forum, but you sure Sinophobically trash-talk like some ill-informed self-righteous neocolonialistic crusader. You cannot even fathom and comprehend that China isn't a "communist state" as you mentioned, as a matter of fact, China is a socialist state with a market economy. But you don't engage in intellectual talks and you don't care, instead, you just all trash-talk, and probably trying in vain to drive a wedge between the Pakistani and the Chinese.

A series of blatant and unashamedly attempts trying to belittle and criminalise China ranging from sneaky manipulative wording to direct hate speech attacks on one particular country/ethnicity. Trying to imply "Organized crimes is usually associated with chinese"; "organized criminals like Chinese who steals everything"; "you send your own people abroad just for technology theft"; "What robbers!"; "... china who claims to be a super power" which are all totally false and laughable accusations; you sure don't know any Chinese persons let alone attemping to label 1.4 billion people and the country they live in using the so-called fake news western media as the sources of your disinformation.

You started to flame this thread, and then act hypocritically trying to shrug off the debunking meaningful facts presented by other members on the forum saying "don't want to argue". Wow, how "innocent" and "morally just"...

All these behaviours just reminded me of the numerous attempts that the West was attempting to associate China/the Chinese and East Asian people in general with COVID-19 viruses back in 2020, which were totally wrong, just like you can't associate a civilsation state as "thieves" and "robbers." So STOP being a racist, Arsalan345.

@Arsalan345 Have reported your posts as racism/flaming. Others do feel free to report him.

Thanks for reporting. I don't care. These are realities. "We aren't a communist state "is the biggest joke I have ever heard. Truth hurts. technology theft is a well-written subject. You can read it online. I don't drive a wedge. I care for Pakistani interests only. You can report me thousand times. I don't care. Building new technology through theft isn't an art. This isn't disinformation. You can read articles online. You can read what Huawei did with the world. I mean, come on! Accept it. I am Pakistani. I am not Indian. I can say whatever I want. Free well. Nobody forces me to change my narrative. The people of Pakistan also know that country is in debt, thanks to CPEC. You destroyed Srilanka and later your spy ship visited Sri Lanka. What is the purpose of sending a spy ship to a country which you already destroyed? I have similar fears. Pakistan should worry and try to do a balancing act. I don't like too much Chinese involvement in every matter. There is no disrespect, no abuse, only facts. Open your eyes communist China. Thanks.

 

[Ibr0kEmYrAz0r]

Thanks for reporting. I don't care. These are realities. "We aren't a communist state "is the biggest joke I have ever heard. Truth hurts. technology theft is a well-written subject. You can read it online. I don't drive a wedge. I care for Pakistani interests only. You can report me thousand times. I don't care. Building new technology through theft isn't an art. This isn't disinformation. You can read articles online. You can read what Huawei did with the world. I mean, come on! Accept it. I am Pakistani. I am not Indian. I can say whatever I want. Free well. Nobody forces me to change my narrative. The people of Pakistan also know that country is in debt, thanks to CPEC. You destroyed Srilanka and later your spy ship visited Sri Lanka. What is the purpose of sending a spy ship to a country which you already destroyed? I have similar fears. Pakistan should worry and try to do a balancing act. I don't like too much Chinese involvement in every matter. There is no disrespect, no abuse, only facts. Open your eyes communist China. Thanks.

Disinformation is false information deliberately spread to deceive people. And your funny realities of the disinformation about China has been done deliberately for decades if not centuries dated all the way back to the "Yellow Peril" days in 19th century by the West. This was a racial metaphor depicting the Chinese/East/Southeast asian "as a threatening, expansionist foe" and an existential danger to the Western world (sounds familiar nowadays?) Yet ironically, at the time, it was the expansionistic British Empire who had the greatest number of colonies in the world, including the whole Indian subcontinent...

Your reliance on obtaining disinformation via "read it online" mainly through western/Indian media is indeed "the biggest joke I have ever heard". What Huawei did was to prevent US spy agencies to use surveillance spyware/backdoor to access customers' data, so Trump administration saw a company that they can't control as a threat. Even though their own "expansive 18-month security review from US government agencies was reported to have concluded in 2012 that there was NO evidence Huawei was working with the Chinese government to spy on US citizens."

Had you paid attention to the real world, you would have realised that China didn't destroy Sri Lanka, the combination of weak rupee against the US dollar, the lack of tourism due to pandemic and most importantly, the sovereign default, and inflation caused by printing money, a chain reaction effect from the interest rate hikes from the US Federal Reserve destroyed Sri Lanka.

The 25,000 tonnes "Yuan Wang 5" isn't a spy ship like your beloved source of disinformation "The Times of India" claimed, but a science ship, main tasks invloving satellite/ballistic missile data tracking/relaying. Oh, you don't need a sledgehammer to crack a nut, China has plenty of specialised spy ships, but that was not Yuan Wang 5's usage, it were there in Hambantota International Port to replenish fuel/food/medical equipment.

No one's stopping you from exercising your "free will", nor do most people care that your seemingly fantastic western/Indian biased facts which you take as good as gold are just a crumbling sand castle. However, using "freedom of expression" as a cover for ignorance and cowardly racism is a complete and utter failure on your part, Arsalan345. It has no place here on this forum, nor anywhere else.

 

[renhai]

It's not me who is saying this. it's the world. you can't shut mouths. Pakistan or the United states isn't some kind of communist state, like yours. Your technology theft is very well documented by Americans themselves. Ok so building better products through reverse engineering isn't an art. You steal. This is true. You copied the whole Sukhi series. i mean even Russians were amazed. PA also has french products. We buy from different countries. Don't give examples of jf-17 or HQ-9. You are progressing which is true but you must admit that you brought technology through unfair means.


I don't care who is superpower. we are discussing technology theft here. I am from Pakistan. Pakistani people have the right to like or dislike. China can't force the Pakistani people to accept their narrative. We can say whatever we want, whatever we feel. We will speak the truth. You are a good friend of Pakistan which is great. I don't want to argue further. it's useless.

China's technology is the world's top level! It even leads the US in some aspects. you like to repeat American jokes about "technology theft" (in order to lower technical standards. Let your country not look too backward?). Let's see how many talents US steals from China!!

US steals Chinese talent development technology. Then accuse China of "technology theft". Finally, let dogs from backward countries laugh at China? Do you know what "shame" is?

"Technology theft"?? i 'm sorry. You really don't have this technology.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576127490707181568

Fortunately. Not many countries will trust US. I guess. Pakistan also does not trust the US. I hope you stop representing all the people of Pakistan.

 

[Goritoes]

LOL Israel don't give a F about US, they have full control off White House, Pentagon, Congress.

 

[IblinI]

Thanks for reporting. I don't care. These are realities. "We aren't a communist state "is the biggest joke I have ever heard. Truth hurts. technology theft is a well-written subject. You can read it online. I don't drive a wedge. I care for Pakistani interests only. You can report me thousand times. I don't care. Building new technology through theft isn't an art. This isn't disinformation. You can read articles online. You can read what Huawei did with the world. I mean, come on! Accept it. I am Pakistani. I am not Indian. I can say whatever I want. Free well. Nobody forces me to change my narrative. The people of Pakistan also know that country is in debt, thanks to CPEC. You destroyed Srilanka and later your spy ship visited Sri Lanka. What is the purpose of sending a spy ship to a country which you already destroyed? I have similar fears. Pakistan should worry and try to do a balancing act. I don't like too much Chinese involvement in every matter. There is no disrespect, no abuse, only facts. Open your eyes communist China. Thanks.

I literally wasted a few seconds replying to you in the other post, damn, regretting.