Whats in a name...

[Indus Pakistan]

Did I miss anything?

Germans?

British?

French?

Danes?

Dutch?

Irish?

Polish?

Pakistan came into being primarily because Muslim South Asians didn't think they'd get their fair share in "Hindu" India.

British India came into being primarily because British were greedy and wanted a huge empire. More people they colonized meant more power. From what is now Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Burma, Aden etc they amalgamated differant people by force and gave them tag 'Indian Empire'.

And note it was British India - Indian Republic which came into existance the exact day Pakistan came into being. Pakistan is not part of Indian Republic rather Indian Republic and Pakistan are both equal successor states to British India. I hope you understand the subtle but important point there. don't get rapped into thinking the two entities share a name thus Indian Republic has greater rights on British India. It does not. Before 1500 the name 'India' was not even heard of in South Asia.

 

[dadeechi]

Before 1500 the name 'India' was not even heard of in South Asia.

What was Megasthenes' Indica then?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/270500?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What was Megasthenes' Indica then?

Are you a cretin? Think of the word 'fun'. Now think of the word 'funk'. Are they same? One letter change and we have another term. I said India not Indika. Go buy some specs or something.

West Indian
Red Indian
Dutch Indian

Just because the name India is being used does not make them part of or anything to do with Indian Republic.

 

[dadeechi]

Are you a cretin? Think of the word 'fun'. Now think of the word 'funk'. Are they same? One letter change and we have another term. I said India not Indika. Go buy some specs or something.

West Indian
Red Indian
Dutch Indian

Just because the name India is being used does not make them part of or anything to do with Indian Republic.

Sindhu => Indus => Indica => India

 

[Soumitra]

Are you a cretin? Think of the word 'fun'. Now think of the word 'funk'. Are they same? One letter change and we have another term. I said India not Indika. Go buy some specs or something.

West Indian
Red Indian
Dutch Indian

Just because the name India is being used does not make them part of or anything to do with Indian Republic.

where was columbus trying to go to when he accidentally discovered these lands?

 

[Spitfighter]

Just because the name India is being used does not make them part of or anything to do with Indian Republic.

Civilization existed in our part of the world LONG before the English showed up. I suggest you read up on South Asian history before commenting on it. Modern day India, Pakistan and Bangladesh have been part of the same "empire" for thousands of years. Even so called "independent nation states" had essentially the same culture and ethnic makeup.

From what is now Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Burma, Aden etc they amalgamated differant people by force and gave them tag 'Indian Empire'.

The modern day secular, democratic republic of India represents both the plurality and solidarity of South Asians.

Pakistan, on the other hand, is a theocracy. You represent muslim south Asians alone, which is why your leaders have worked so hard to erase your past. Isn't the word for pre-Islamic period in Pakistan called "jaahil"?

I fully agree Pakistan is just an amalgamation of different people with nothing in common other than their religion. Indians on the other hand have a long and rich history in South Asia. Hinduism, for example, is the oldest religion on earth. You see further similarities in our scripts, languages, cuisine, art.

Before 1500 the name 'India' was not even heard of in South Asia.
Source: https://defence.pk/threads/whats-in-a-name.466860/page-2#ixzz4SxdY2vcR

Just because the word "India" wasn't used doesn't mean Bharat didn't exist.

where was columbus trying to go to when he accidentally discovered these lands?

A "random amalgamation" of nation states that didn't exist, apparently

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Sindhu => Indus => Indica => India

Lol... If you read Persian scriptures .. The Persian emperor who later controlled the modern region stretching from modern day Pak to Afghanistan .... He before capturing these lands and installing satrips sent recon guys ... According to these dudes ... The so called "Sindhu" was Sindh ... The land of river Sindh not madya paradesh,Uttar Pradesh or Maharashtra ... After capturing these lands the guys installed satrips ... The satrips of Sindh was among them as you can still find those historic written artifacts ... Now if Persian emperor had conquered and installed a satrip in Sindh ...

Does your highness agree that (although the Persian ruled never extended beyond the real Sindh)... But somehow Persia had conquered the numerous kingdoms or states of modern day India whom you are claiming as Sindh ?


Also why do you consider Sindh = India ?


Sindh is a province of Pak... Annexed by the British in the late 18th century after defeating the Talpur Dynasty of Sindh and merging it into British India ..


Sindh is a province through a length and breath the mighty river Sindh flows ... Irrigating its land and giving life to it .. As it has for thousands of years !


While modern day Bharat aka India has nothing to do with a river that originates from Tibet... Flows through IOK and becomes a mighty river in Pak .. Where multiples rivers kunar,swat,kabul etc and tributaries and streams fall into it to make it the Mighty Indus or Sindh.

Sindh was a seperate state for most of its recorded history.... Kahloros,Summara.Soomros,Talpurs etc ruled it.... Before that it gave birth to civilisations like Indus Valley etc ...

How does a non Sindhi from the gangetic plains of Bharat claim the Sindhi history ?


BC the Sindhi nationalists would smack the crap outta anybody who made such moronic claims in their presence...

Persian satrapies

According to Persians Sindh was "india"

That's Hindus was spelt Sindhu... Unless you claims Indian mass also originated from Sindh and some dudes later filled it with helium to blow it up and cover more mass.

Also funny is how Persians didn't consider Panjab and other regions part of modern day Pak as "Bharat" lol.


I read a book about it all couples of years back.. Couldn't remember the name.. It even details what and how the Persian envoys,recon dudes observed .. The culture of upper Panjab being similar to bactrian satrapies etc...


Now either 80% of modern day Pak including Panjab was never part of your mythical India or Sindhu (modern day Sindh) was the satrapy of Persia .. And not modern day India/Bharat.

 

[Indika]

Your only renting the land. The freeholders are 1,000 miles away !

Oh my dear this comes from a pakistani (... err are you?) living in a different continent and country. But the same cant be applied to migrants who are living very next door.

And note it was British India - Indian Republic which came into existance the exact day Pakistan came into being. Pakistan is not part of Indian Republic rather Indian Republic and Pakistan are both equal successor states to British India. I hope you understand the subtle but important point there. don't get rapped into thinking the two entities share a name thus Indian Republic has greater rights on British India. It does not. Before 1500 the name 'India' was not even heard of in South Asia.

Interesting,a guy who lives in britain claims India is not India. Wonder wat the british were doing for 200 years in ....err called India through East India company.

Well lets say your argument is ok but wat existed before? If so why does pakistan keep fighting over kashmir?
Pakistans boundary must have been been settled long time back. They should neither be fighting India or afghanistan over durand line ?

Your argument reminds me of camel ..err yes camel in tent philosophy.

where was columbus trying to go to when he accidentally discovered these lands?

Columbus was trying to find a route to supply arms to americanas in afghana .

 

[dadeechi]

Unless you claims Indian mass also originated from Sindh

The point is the sons of the land whether they were/are Sindhis, Punjabis, Kashmiris, Gujaratis, Hindis, Bengalis, Assamis, Odisssis, Marathis, Kannadigas, Malayalis, Telugus, Tamils etc all consider themselves as Indos, Indians, Sindhus etc. Indian History goes back to more than 14000 years and Indians study and claim the legacy and heirship to vedic culture.

On the other hand there are people in this land for whom the history starts with Muhammad ibn Qasim because

1) That is when they had immigrated to this land

2) Their current religious faith does not allow / prevents them from claiming their dharmic history and legacy which is now considered a Kafir by them

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The point is the sons of the land whether they were/are Sindhis, Punjabis, Kashmiris, Gujaratis, Hindis, Bengalis, Assamis, Odisssis, Marathis, Kannadigas, Malayalis, Telugus, Tamils etc all consider themselves as Indos, Indians, Sindhus etc. Indian History goes back to more than 14000 years and Indians study and claim the legacy and heirship to vedic culture.

On the hand there are people in this land for whom the history starts with Muhammad ibn Qasim because

1) That is when they had immigrated to this land

2) Their current religious faith does not allow / prevents them from claiming their dharmic history and legacy which is now considered a Kafir by them

Jaan day bhai even during British rule Panjabis and Sindhis didn't consider themselves Indian .. See the British records ... Indians are called "Hindustanis".

 

[Armstrong]

My country is called Turkey but the real name is Türkiye.
Pisses me off every time i see people using Turkey instead of Türkiye.

Turkey !

 

[T-123456]

Turkey !

I know where your house lives in the UK.
(thats how its written)

Germans?

Germans.

 

[Armstrong]

The Republic of India does not equal the Ancient Indic Civilization just like the European Union is not some sort of a mega successor state of the Roman Empire.

Names ought not be used to mislead others and more so ones own self just to feel good about our existence. Indians and Pakistanis along with quite a few others do it all the time.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The Republic of India does not equal the Ancient Indic Civilization just like the European Union is not some sort of a mega successor state of the Roman Empire.

Name ought not be used to mislead others and more so ones own self just to feel good about our existence. Indians and Pakistanis along with quite a few others do it all the time.

Actually it is even more ridiculous then the example you give. At least Rome and Italy are integral part of European Union.

This would be more like Russian claming ownership over the Roman Empire on dubious grounds of being Europic.

*And guy's we have to come up with a readymade off the shelf reply to this simple fraud of name.


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Better example is this - Pakistan changes it's name and becomes the 'Islamic Republic of Asia'. We then claim that Asia Minor and all the heritage there belongs to us as it was 'Asiatic'. We then say we have been around since begining of time as a Asiatic civilization.

Link > http://www.ancient.eu/Asia_Minor/

"The accomplishments of the people of Asia Minor are vast and comprise a catalogue of some of the most famous people, places, and events in ancient history."

We then began to claim that Pythagros was Asiatic and it was Asiatic civilization that built this temple below.

We then start lecturing the Turks Istanbul is spelled Constantinople in orginal Prakrit. We then say the Greek gods and statues are Hindu gods. We then claim everything in Malaysia and Indonesia as Asiatic. Questioned as to how we can include such diverse cultures as Asiatic we simple say 'diversity in unity' and that anything and everything is Asiatic. There is no way of explaining it. Basically anything we say is Asiatic is Asiatic because there is no way of explaining it. It is Asiatic if we say so. Anyway there was no Turkey, no Malaysia or Indonesia till last century but Asia is even mentioned by Herodtus in 443BC

Link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continent_name_etymologies#Asia

We Asiatics gave eveything to the world. From the temples in Troy, Anatolia, to the Great Wall of Asia, to the Yellow river civilization in Asia all is part of Asia and Asiatic civilization. the idea of Asia is bigger then the nation state of Asia but covers the Asiatic civilizational entity. Map below of Ancient Asia.

What is in a name? A lot if you cheat.

 

[niaz]

My country is called Turkey but the real name is Türkiye.
Pisses me off every time i see people using Turkey instead of Türkiye.

Early Muslims Arabs called the region which is now Turkey or Turkiye “Rum” because it had been part of the Byzantine Rome before being conquered by the Arabs; hence Jalaluddin Mohammed Balkhi is better known as Maulana Rumi or just Rumi, because he stayed most of his life in the Saljuki Sultanate of Rum.

Greeks called the region ‘Anatolia’ because being east of Greece; it was land on the rising sun. The Christian historian Orosius (375 – 418 AD) referred to it as Asia Minor or Mirka Asia (little Asia).

Under the Saljukis, the area was also called Rum or Anatolia, during early Ottoman period it was referred to as Osmali Beyligi basically meaning Beylik of Osman; later Ottoman Empire was called “Devlit-e – Aliye Osmanli (Sublime Ottoman State)

It is the Latin ‘Turchia’ ( Land of the Turks) which has given rise to Turkey in English & Turkiye in the modern Turkish. Turks themselves don’t like ‘Turkey’ because of adverse connotations such as in Turkey Shoot.

So what is in the name? Nothing, but everything.