what will be pakistan's answer to rafale

[Basel]

@Basel @batmannow
Few things for both you Paf just cant leave everything on Sams or Jets
Pakistan need center fibered system which allows all the weapon system in its possession to work as single unit and they have done that
Bats F16s isnt that bad of a platform its capable cheap platform the thing you were talking abouts its not weapon systems wickness it was mans fault .
As For Su and new purchases of new birds pakistan currently cant buy new platform too much is going on
Making 10 to 12 birds isnt cheap and they are also trying to expand it
Now sams mix hi and low combo with a good capable platforms can keep any enemy at bay

You will see changes in Paf when jf 17 goes above 150+
Till that its just sit relax and wait

PAF is working on NCW capabilities and they have good integrated system.

 

[Ultima Thule]

produced or in development sir
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-100_(missile)
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astra-beyond-visual-range-bvr-air-to-air-missile/
with Indian air force deployed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_530
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-77
http://articles.economictimes.india...-aviation-french-companies-thales-mirage-2000
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile)#Derby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-31

and plz sir don't derail the topic its a matter of concern for any country to have a fulfilled force multiplier not for offensive but also for defensive purpose
thanks regards

Don't fool yourself man, ASTRA has range of 80 to 100 km missile thus its a AMRAAM class missile not a long range missile like a PL-15, as for K-100 its a dead project and give me a solid prove that it is inducted by IAF,as for SUPER-530 it's a low end MRAAM with a range of 35 km, Derby has range of 50 km and R-77 has a range of 100 km. I ask to you a simple question to you that is India develop a air to air missile like a range of 150+ km missile? The answer is big No

 

[calmDown@all]

Don't fool yourself man, ASTRA has range of 80 to 100 km missile thus its a AMRAAM class

1. Astra is an active radar homing beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), India. The 3.8-metre tall Astra is a radar homing missile and one of the smallest weapon systems developed by DRDO.

2. Astra is designed to be proficient of engaging targets at variable range and altitudes allowing for engagement of both short-range targets (up to 20 km) and long-range targets (up to 80 km) using alternative propulsion modes.

3. Excluding a failure in one test, the missile has efficaciously completed all its tests. The missile was last tested on March 18, 2015 from a Su-30MKI fighter against a simulated live target. Astra uses a smokeless propulsion system.

4. The missile is technologically more sophisticated than the nuclear capable Agni missile series of strategic ballistic missiles.

5. The maximum range of Astra is 110 km in head-on chase and 20 km in tail chase.

6. The missile could be launched from different altitudes - it can cover 110 km when launched from an altitude of 15 km, 44 km when fired from an altitude of eight km and 21 km when the altitude is sea level.

7. The missile can reportedly undertake 40 g turns close to sea level, when attacking a maneuvering target. It will have an active homing range of 25 km.

8. The missile has a pre-fragmented warhead and is fitted with a proximity fuze.

9. A radar fuse already exists for the Astra, but the DRDO is currently working on a new laser fuse. Astra has on-board ECCM capability allowing it to jam radar signals from an enemy surface-to-air battery, ensuring that the missile is not tracked or shot down.

10.The Mark 2 version of Astra will have a maximum range of 150 km and tail chase range of up to 35 km, and will feature shorter fins than the original Mark 1 design.
FURTHER SIR ,
i didn't said that we can build everything or have it its just that what we require we buy it or develop it!!!!
regards

https://yalun.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-best-air-to-air-missile-from-the-usa-russia-and-china/

 

[Cool_Soldier]

J 10C version has become smart, why not, PAF considering it?
Only one logic comes in to thoughts, that JF 17 block threre might have equal specification to this bird.Thats why PAF is not looking into J10 model.

 

[Ultima Thule]

1. Astra is an active radar homing beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), India. The 3.8-metre tall Astra is a radar homing missile and one of the smallest weapon systems developed by DRDO.

2. Astra is designed to be proficient of engaging targets at variable range and altitudes allowing for engagement of both short-range targets (up to 20 km) and long-range targets (up to 80 km) using alternative propulsion modes.

3. Excluding a failure in one test, the missile has efficaciously completed all its tests. The missile was last tested on March 18, 2015 from a Su-30MKI fighter against a simulated live target. Astra uses a smokeless propulsion system.

4. The missile is technologically more sophisticated than the nuclear capable Agni missile series of strategic ballistic missiles.

5. The maximum range of Astra is 110 km in head-on chase and 20 km in tail chase.

6. The missile could be launched from different altitudes - it can cover 110 km when launched from an altitude of 15 km, 44 km when fired from an altitude of eight km and 21 km when the altitude is sea level.

7. The missile can reportedly undertake 40 g turns close to sea level, when attacking a maneuvering target. It will have an active homing range of 25 km.

8. The missile has a pre-fragmented warhead and is fitted with a proximity fuze.

9. A radar fuse already exists for the Astra, but the DRDO is currently working on a new laser fuse. Astra has on-board ECCM capability allowing it to jam radar signals from an enemy surface-to-air battery, ensuring that the missile is not tracked or shot down.

10.The Mark 2 version of Astra will have a maximum range of 150 km and tail chase range of up to 35 km, and will feature shorter fins than the original Mark 1 design.
FURTHER SIR ,
i didn't said that we can build everything or have it its just that what we require we buy it or develop it!!!!
regards

https://yalun.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/the-best-air-to-air-missile-from-the-usa-russia-and-china/

When in 2100? So you don't have a missiles that can attack 150 km, yeah yeah yeah your ASTRA is more advance than AMRAAM, R-77, METEOR

 

[surya kiran]

Ahem..

http://www.dawn.com/news/1232011
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...music-meet-in-Mumbai/articleshow/29874324.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...se-visit-to-Pakistan/articleshow/50335405.cms
http://www.dawn.com/news/1232011

That is one part of the country. You are welcome to listen to what your ex Foreign minister said about his book launch in Mumbai.

 

[ni8mare]

I ask to you a simple question to you that is India develop a air to air missile like a range of 150+ km missile? The answer is big No

Mark 2 version of Astra will have a maximum range of 150 km

When in 2100? So you don't have a missiles that can attack 150 km, yeah yeah yeah your ASTRA is more advance than AMRAAM, R-77, METEOR

You people said same thing about astra mk1 ....barak 8 .akash etc ....all are getting inducted

 

[HRK]

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& Good bye ..........

false flager ....

 

[barbarosa]

Pakistan will get Mig 23 in modified version of China 12 squadron in free.

 

[S.Y.A]

@Basel @batmannow
Few things for both you Paf just cant leave everything on Sams or Jets
Pakistan need center fibered system which allows all the weapon system in its possession to work as single unit and they have done that

I remember there were quite a few posts on PDF about this, PAF already has a networked system.

Our F*16s we have tested already in kargill , answer we all knew well .

Our F-16s did not have BVR capability back then, and were only armed with AIM-9s, now we have blk 52s, and rest are MLU'ed and can launch AMRAAM-120s. So as far as F-16s are concerned, we are in a slightly better condition.
That being said, PAF should save some money and invest in j-31s. Otherwise it is going to be a turkey-shoot for India, if God forbid there is a war.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Mark 2 version of Astra will have a maximum range of 150 km

You people said same thing about astra mk1 ....barak 8 .akash etc ....all are getting inducted

You say "will" not today, akash is a absolute technology from late 80's to early 90's, barak 8 is not design by India, how many astrais inducted by IAF? NONE

 

[ni8mare]

You say "will" not today,

As I said ....keep talking while thing getting inducted just like astra mk1 ....barak 8......... .akash etc

akash is a absolute technology from late 80's to early 90's

which your country failed to make one ..................A advance integrated SAM.......problem with many of you is that you see only one component (here in case is interceptor) of a SAM system not as whole system whose methodology is advanced as any SAM system

barak 8 is not design by India,

Read about Barak 8 and then comment
https://defence.pk/threads/more-on-the-indo-israeli-lr-sam-barak-8.112099/
https://defence.pk/threads/the-lightning-barak-8.363454/

how many astrais inducted by IAF? NONE

Trial of akash mk1 is finished if you have noticed and then it will go for production

 

[Ultima Thule]

As I said ....keep talking while thing getting inducted just like astra mk1 ....barak 8......... .akash etc


which your country failed to make one ..................A advance integrated SAM.......problem with many of you is that you see only one component (here in case is interceptor) of a SAM system not as whole system whose methodology is advanced as any SAM system


Read about Barak 8 and then comment
https://defence.pk/threads/more-on-the-indo-israeli-lr-sam-barak-8.112099/
https://defence.pk/threads/the-lightning-barak-8.363454/

Trial of akash mk1 is finished if you have noticed and then it will go for production

Yeah yeah whatever India is a super pow

 

[batmannow]

@Basel @batmannow
Few things for both you Paf just cant leave everything on Sams or Jets
Pakistan need center fibered system which allows all the weapon system in its possession to work as single unit and they have done that
Bats F16s isnt that bad of a platform its capable cheap platform the thing you were talking abouts its not weapon systems wickness it was mans fault .
As For Su and new purchases of new birds pakistan currently cant buy new platform too much is going on
Making 10 to 12 birds isnt cheap and they are also trying to expand it
Now sams mix hi and low combo with a good capable platforms can keep any enemy at bay

You will see changes in Paf when jf 17 goes above 150+
Till that its just sit relax and wait

Dear ,
You can imprint what's in your mind , but for dam F*16s goes , sorry we have been cheated more thrice ?
With kargill , proven the last grave yard of that capable but , sanctioned plane , I'm sorry it will result same as before ?
Americans won't allow us , to use their dam technology against India , no never ?
India knew it , we knew it , Americans knew it ?
About , getting 24 of SU*35/J*20s /or even J*16s won't cost us much , more then we spent on dam F*16s or the dam stupid jangla bus type projects by our stupid civilian govt ?

Instead It will , bring us a small strike force gurrnetee that , if the 300++ strike force of IAFs SU*30s /raffeals /mirrages ever try to hit us deep , we can do the same to them ?

& our war ships in our sea, are safe enough , & can deal any stupid siege thrown upon us by any one ?
Sure we , need to get a mixedup , war plan consisting of medium & long range SAMS & fighter jets .

PAF is working on NCW capabilities and they have good integrated system.

What's the max range of the most deployed SAMS BY PAF ?
Mr know everything ?lolzzz

 

[Basel]

Dear ,
You can imprint what's in your mind , but for dam F*16s goes , sorry we have been cheated more thrice ?
With kargill , proven the last grave yard of that capable but , sanctioned plane , I'm sorry it will result same as before ?
Americans won't allow us , to use their dam technology against India , no never ?
India knew it , we knew it , Americans knew it ?
About , getting 24 of SU*35/J*20s /or even J*16s won't cost us much , more then we spent on dam F*16s or the dam stupid jangla bus type projects by our stupid civilian govt ?

Instead It will , bring us a small strike force gurrnetee that , if the 300++ strike force of IAFs SU*30s /raffeals /mirrages ever try to hit us deep , we can do the same to them ?

& our war ships in our sea, are safe enough , & can deal any stupid siege thrown upon us by any one ?
Sure we , need to get a mixedup , war plan consisting of medium & long range SAMS & fighter jets .


What's the max range of the most deployed SAMS BY PAF ?
Mr know everything ?lolzzz

Just tell me why modern Navies deploying advance ESSM which is MR-SAM?? Range is important but not everything. SAM should be able to take out threats posed and keep installations / vessels safe, that is why SR-SAMS like Pentair S-1 are very potent and when added in good NCW environment with other assets like MR-SAMS, advance AAAs they form potent air defence even if MR-SAM can hit 50 km max.