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What India Can Teach America About Democracy - World Report (usnews.com)

The United States is often taken for granted as the world's exemplar of democracy. American policymakers are comfortable in that position. They tend to spend more time assuming that all eyes are on us than seeking lessons from beyond our borders.

But if America reversed its inward perspective, what would it see? Older cultures that are younger democracies may have more to teach us than we would like to admit. First on the list is India. The U.S. can benefit from looking at the ways that country faces its constitutional, demographic and strategic challenges.

Constitutionalism: Have Faith.

In his 1997 book "The Idea of India," Sunil Khilnani describes India's leaders establishing constitutional democracy "in a fit of absent-mindedness." Following partition and the end of British colonial rule, India's constitution was finalized in 1950. To date, India's constitutional lifespan is less than one-third that of the U.S. That amount includes a nearly two-year period (the "emergency" of June 1975 to March 1977) when Prime Minister Indira Ghandi suspended elections and civil liberties. In 1950, however, India adopted universal voting rights in a society where inequality had been codified culturally for centuries. Khilnani writes that no one knew how this "fundamental contradiction," inscribed in India's constitution, might be resolved. B.K. Ambedkar, then leader of India's "untouchables," said during a Constitutional Assembly in 1949: "In politics we will have equality and in social and economic life we will have inequality … How long shall we continue to live this life of contradictions? How long shall we continue to deny equality in our social and economic life? If we continue to deny it for long, we do so only by putting our political democracy in peril."

The link Ambedkar cites between inequality and democratic health has appeared on many U.S. op-ed pages. There is a striking difference in U.S. and Indian perspective towards their respective constitutions. Khilnani describes the Indian constitutional process as a leap of faith. While historians like Gordon S. Wood have emphasized the "radicalism" of the American Revolution, one is more likely to find the U.S. constitution treated as holy writ rather than a human effort at better government.

The U.S. constitution has no better credential than the political stability it has produced. Rigid attitudes toward the constitution, however, have become barriers to change on issues with mainstream support (see health care reform, gun control and same-sex marriage) in America. One wonders whether a constitution like India's, which was more progressive than the culture that produced it, can serve its nation better by being more responsive to mainstream calls for reform. The U.S. took the 15th and 19th amendments and the Civil Rights Act to ensure universal voting rights. India accomplished it in the first draft.

Demography: Size and Diversity

At 1.2 billion people, India' population is equivalent in size to four Americas. Like America, it is a comparatively young nation. Half of the Indian population is below the age of 20. In India, the median age is 35 and dropping; in the U.S., it is nearly 37.

Demographers often point to young populations as sources of economic dynamism. A large working-age population supporting a smaller retirement age population is certainly preferable to the reverse. Population, however, can be a burden and a boon. India faces a similar challenge to China in developing its economy quickly enough to provide jobs for its growing young population. Its political stability depends upon it.

In his 2009 book "The Post-American World," Fareed Zakaria (in a chapter titled "The Ally") discusses the anticipation and confusion over what type of democratic power India will become. In part because of the economic strains of providing for its large population, Zakaria argues, India may not develop a level of military strength that could counter China's rise.

The structure of India's economy, on the other hand, may empower it. Zakaria details the rough composition of India's GDP: 50 percent services, 25 percent manufacturing and 25 percent agriculture. This is on par with nations such as Portugal and Greece that have higher average incomes and which lead India in manufacturing and agriculture, but trail it in services. This is a combination, Zakaria writes, "that no one could have planned." In other words, India's industrial base may need to catch up, but in 21st century technologies it is better suited to compete. Given the country's demographics, this is probably a better situation than the reverse.

Strategy: Your Enemies Are Closer

The U.S. is bordered by two democracies. While deeply concerned with enemies abroad, it recently has not had to contend with adversarial neighbors. By contrast, India shares borders with China and Pakistan — both rivals and nuclear powers with whom it has clashed militarily. As noted above, India's economic demands may prevent it from acquiring military might to rival China. If money were no option, it is unclear if it would choose to do so. India founded the "non-aligned" movement and has prized its independence from what George Washington termed "entangling alliances." Its foreign policy has been driven by self-interest, and will likely remain focused on stability in Southeast Asia. America's relationship with India will go a long way toward securing its influence in the region.

America has a unique standing among world democracies. Its foreign policy has the broadest reach. It benefits the U.S., however, to examine the challenges facing the nascent democracies it looks to as allies. An outward-looking foreign policy that seeks better understanding of the challenges these regional allies face may help the U.S. improve its relations with them. In the process, the U.S. may also learn a few lessons abroad it can use at home.
 
The problem in India has too much democracy. US has good balance of democracy and rules
 
One wonders whether a constitution like India's, which was more progressive than the culture that produced it, can serve its nation better by being more responsive to mainstream calls for reform.
A constitution replaced a monarch or a dictator, but the essence of the constitution itself is that it is a dictator. All laws must be held against it. In that context, a constitution should not be 'progressive', which is code for pliable or whimsical, able to be manipulated. A monarch or a dictator have personalities, a constitution should not.

The U.S. took the 15th and 19th amendments and the Civil Rights Act to ensure universal voting rights. India accomplished it in the first draft.
Big deal. More like the Indian constitution took its guidance from the American version.
 
No democracy comes close to American democracy. American democracy is real. Comparing American democracy with third world democracy is insult. In America if any state wants secession...it is granted after referendum but in india the states are forced to be part of the country...is that a democracy or hypocrisy?
 
No democracy comes close to American democracy. American democracy is real. Comparing American democracy with third world democracy is insult. In America if any state wants secession...it is granted after referendum but in india the states are forced to be part of the country...is that a democracy or hypocrisy?

so what about US civil war
 
A constitution replaced a monarch or a dictator, but the essence of the constitution itself is that it is a dictator. All laws must be held against it. In that context, a constitution should not be 'progressive', which is code for pliable or whimsical, able to be manipulated. A monarch or a dictator have personalities, a constitution should not.


Big deal. More like the Indian constitution took its guidance from the American version.
dont know what you mean by whimsical, but author pointed out that Indian constitution is ahead of its own people and society, a progressive document produced by relatively backward society.
The other point is, our constitution is not a holybook, its a document every generation needs to look into and see it makes sense, but one cannot just change it at will, you need 2/3 majority in both house which is very difficult withough a consensus.
Not sure both these differences are good or bad.
And yes it did take a lot of input for US and UK laws.
 
dont know what you mean by whimsical, but author pointed out that Indian constitution is ahead of its own people and society, a progressive document produced by relatively backward society.
The other point is, our constitution is not a holybook, its a document every generation needs to look into and see it makes sense, but one cannot just change it at will, you need 2/3 majority in both house which is very difficult withough a consensus.
Not sure both these differences are good or bad.
And yes it did take a lot of input for US and UK laws.
It does not mean humorous, but amenable to change. The more easily to change, the greater the odds of the constitution being exploited to benefit one group at the expense of another, or more. One way to resist change is to demand 'super majority', such the 60% or 2/3 consensus threshold, in order to make a constitutional amendment. Too difficult to change and country will remain legislatively static in the face of changes in society and technology. Too easily to change and the country will be no better than if there is a dictator.
 
A constitution replaced a monarch or a dictator, but the essence of the constitution itself is that it is a dictator. All laws must be held against it. In that context, a constitution should not be 'progressive', which is code for pliable or whimsical, able to be manipulated. A monarch or a dictator have personalities, a constitution should not.


Big deal. More like the Indian constitution took its guidance from the American version.

In General Terms: Yes. There is no British Constitution to get any ideas from; though we took the concept of Westminster Democracy from the British.
The Man who presided over the Body that drafted the Indian Constitution did his PhD dissertation at the Law School at the University of Columbia so he must have had a chance to study it closely. And other Indian Parliamentarians had a great deal of respect for individuals like Abraham Lincoln and the ideals that they represented. Even FDR was a well respected figure in Indian thought; since he pushed hard at the British to divest itself of its Imperial Empire of which India was the crowning jewel. Though his contemporary Churchill resisted, FDR was an influential figure of that time and World Statesman.

However; the Indian Constitution endowed Universal Adult Suffrage in 1950. When did the Blacks all over the USA get the right to vote?
 
However; the Indian Constitution endowed Universal Adult Suffrage in 1950. When did the Blacks all over the USA get the right to vote?
There is nothing in the US Constitution that forbids blacks from voting. Nothing to do with that 3/5 rule and that is a different discussion. The 15th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 essentially clarified to all governments that if they do anything to discriminate citizens from voting, it would be contrary to the original intents of the Constitution.

The right to vote is not explicit in the US Constitution, but the fact that the US was created as a republic with democratic methods for citizen participation in politics and such participation believed to be so foundational to a democratic republic that the right to vote was believed to be so implicit and inherent that there should be no need for that right to be explicit and constitutionally protected.

It is debatable whether such a right should be explicit or not, but the fact that for all the time passed, the only thing regarding voting right that was added to the US Constitution was an amendment that clarified that right and not to declare the existence of that right.

It is also debatable on whether a constitution, not THE constitution, should be as explicit as possible to prevent variations in interpretations and enforcement of those interpretations, but the counter-argument is that what is explicit could also be used to exclude what are not enumerated. If something can be excluded, enforcement methods, police and laws, can also be used to support the exclusions. By this time, any proposed changes to that constitution would be met with resistance by those who have invested heavily into that constitution.

The creation of a constitution, in effect a virtual dictator in lieu of a human one, is not something to be trifle with and even less so once the constitution is accepted as dictator over the land. That is why it should take great difficulties to add changes to ANY constitution.
 
There is nothing in the US Constitution that forbids blacks from voting.

All right then. Let me re-phrase my question: When (in which year), were the Black Population all over the United States allowed to vote?

All said and done; the Indian Constitution is richer for whatever influences that its drafters found in the USA and its Constitution. Just as Abraham Lincoln (among others) will remain a shining influence on all human thoughts.
 
No democracy comes close to American democracy. American democracy is real. Comparing American democracy with third world democracy is insult. In America if any state wants secession...it is granted after referendum but in india the states are forced to be part of the country...is that a democracy or hypocrisy?

Why you people can not control your itch of using strong adjectives during a discourse, especially when there is no provocation.
 
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