What If There's India-Pakistan Nuclear War?

[Hamza913]

Why does Pakistan behave as a thekedar of Islam and all Muslims?

You keep on interfering in Kashmir. You dont recognise Israel which is 1000's of KM away from you just because they have some dispute with Palestinians even when their immediate neighbours have diplomatic relations with them. there is a Burqa ban in some European Country and Pakistanis are the most aggrieved. Someone makes a 14 minute film supposedly insulting the prophet - A film which is not even released in Pakistan and there are riots all across the country in which 100's lose there life

Please, give me sources about these claims I have made Bold.

Also, Israel is an illegitimate state. This is why we will never recognise it, at the first opportunity it should be removed. Hopefully through peace, but if violence is necessary so be it, they have inflicted terrible pain to Palestine and want to destroy the Muslim world, at one point they wanted to bomb our nuclear installations.

Another thing I would like to say is before you bring up us complaining about disrespect towards our prophet, look at your own country where they kill people for eating cows and go as far as to drink their urine.

As for Burqa's, people should be allowed to wear them, they pose no threat as terrorists have never used them.

The princely state of J&K didn't consist of only Kashmir, but also Hindu majority Jammu and Buddhist majority Ladakh. Pro-India sentiments were very strong there. FYI, the ruler of J&K didn't sign the instrument of accession until Pakistan invaded the state with the help of Pashtun tribesmen from Northern Pakistan adjoining Kashmir. He was forced to seek military help from India. India got provisionary accession instrument as bargain for military support to J&K ruler. Pakistan had by then got Gilgit-Baltistan and a narrow strip of land you know as Azad Kashmir.

After months of hostility, ceasefire was reached and a line-of-control was established. After bilateral talks failed to resolve the dispute, UN got involved and finally it was decided that a plebiscite would be held in J&K. But Pakistan failed to fulfill the first condition, which was removal of its troops and non-Kashmiris from Azad Kashmir. So the plebiscite never occured, which would probably have resulted in Kashmir going to Pakistan and Jammu and Ladakh going to India. Pakistan squandered the opportunity, so why this hue and cry over it now. On top of that the constant support of Pakistan to Islamic terror outfits and millitants in Indian administered Kashmir made the situation untenable. You were constantly provoking us, and we paid you back in kind each time.

And no, Indian Muslims aren't oppressed at all. They are proud Indian citizens just like any other Indian. They are our responsibility and we will work for their progress and upliftment. You Pakistanis concentrate on your own population and don't meddle in our affairs. Indian Muslims reject two-nation theory and don't believe in communalism like you people.

Like I said, you people wanted your separate country for your community, you got it now please move on. Stop funding terrorism and militancy in our country and destabilizing us. We don't want to have anything to do with you guys.

Joke of the century lmao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks#Hijackers

Who's the joke of the century now?

The whole of J and K consists of Muslim majority, even when the non Muslim majority areas are considered. Therefore we should have gotten it. Even before the leader signed the instrument of accession, he did not show any willingness to join Pakistan. Thanks to the efforts of Pakistan, a fair portion of Kashmir was liberated and Pakistan managed to gain some land.

And why the hell should we retreat our troops? How dumb do you think we are? That's a golden opportunity to lose land. We will never, EVER do that.

We support militants in Kashmir so they can continue to resist your oppression, cry all you want but you can't do anything about it. All you can do is lie you have launched "surgical strikes" when you have no evidence.

They are most certainly oppressed, FFS you elected Modi. What world do you live in? And I'm sorry but for us Islam first, then country. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a true Muslim.

If you don't want anything to do with us, then stop trying to destroy us and stop the oppression against your own people.

 

[war&peace]

Lol, as they say "Dil ki tasali k liye, ye khayal b theek hai Ghalib"

If indian subcontinent is gone, Hinduism as a viable religion goes with it. It'll become like ancient Greek Mythology whereby we'll know the "characters" and myths of Hinduism, but with time its memory will fade away and it'll only stay alive in television and pop culture arts (if that).

ALL sacred places, symbols of Hinduism are in India. It's sacred texts revolve around India and geographic landmarks of the land. ALL the myths, stories, writings, holy festivals etc are in India and involve Indian landmass. Moreover, 98% of Hinduism's followers reside in India.

So if India is gone (hypothetically)---so does the ancient religious mythology known as Hinduism.

There are not even 30 million Hindus outside Indian subcontinent. Also, even for Hindus who are outside India, they need India for their religious imagination as a community. No religion survives in diaspora alone without some tangible axis-mundi (Term used in religious studies. Google it). And Axis-Mundi for Hinduism is India.

Hindus outside India learn their knowledge, practices, history, culture, and sense of community w.r.t Hinduism all from India. Without India, all of that would fade away with few generations over couple of centuries at maximum.

Only faiths are not possible to destroy via military means are Christianity and Islam--because they are the only global faiths (NOT diaspora, but actual global, multi-continental religions having billions across the world with tens upon tens of nations, cultures, countries following them on mass level). Unless there is a mass, all-out nuclear war between all nuclear powers--which ends the humanity as we know it--Islam and Christianity will stay the largest, most global religions impossible to remove via military means.

Religions like Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, etc can be "technically" annihilated via mass murder (Holocaust etc), nuclear war involving two, three nations and so on.

But bottom line is that there's not going to be any conventional war between India and Pakistan, let alone nuclear war. Hell, there wasn't even any actual surgical strike on Pakistan--so lets not waste time by imagining apocalyptic scenarios.

Excellent post sir,,,

Please, give me sources about these claims I have made Bold.

Also, Israel is an illegitimate state. This is why we will never recognise it, at the first opportunity it should be removed. Hopefully through peace, but if violence is necessary so be it, they have inflicted terrible pain to Palestine and want to destroy the Muslim world, at one point they wanted to bomb our nuclear installations.

Another thing I would like to say is before you bring up us complaining about disrespect towards our prophet, look at your own country where they kill people for eating cows and go as far as to drink their urine.

As for Burqa's, people should be allowed to wear them, they pose no threat as terrorists have never used them.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks#Hijackers

Who's the joke of the century now?

The whole of J and K consists of Muslim majority, even when the non Muslim majority areas are considered. Therefore we should have gotten it. Even before the leader signed the instrument of accession, he did not show any willingness to join Pakistan. Thanks to the efforts of Pakistan, a fair portion of Kashmir was liberated and Pakistan managed to gain some land.

And why the hell should we retreat our troops? How dumb do you think we are? That's a golden opportunity to lose land. We will never, EVER do that.

We support militants in Kashmir so they can continue to resist your oppression, cry all you want but you can't do anything about it. All you can do is lie you have launched "surgical strikes" when you have no evidence.

They are most certainly oppressed, FFS you elected Modi. What world do you live in? And I'm sorry but for us Islam first, then country. Anyone who says otherwise isn't a true Muslim.

If you don't want anything to do with us, then stop trying to destroy us and stop the oppression against your own people.

Excellent

 

[Hamza913]

I don't think entire Pakistani Army is situated around a Camp. It spread out in entire country meaning thinned, some are fighting against terrorists in Western parts. So, Largest (What even number) concept do not apply here.

I do not doubt Pak Army's competitiveness (as i said in previous post) but anyone can be taken off guard some time. (See our Army in recent terrorist attacks, 3rd largest, $50 billion + budget) Like in Osama case



I told you with planning you can but there really is no way fighting lasted several hours, i think it would be like a ambush.

Do you actually believe Pakistani Army will deploy its soldier to protect terrorists ?
Hell, No So reinforcement may take time to come.
Probably they (terrorists) were under ISI protection or their own guards, So Pak Army wasn't involved at all.


Let's for instance suppose this happened and Para killed some terrorists in some remote location. (No Pak Army role there) then
Do you really think Pak Army will accept any breach that may demoralize their soldiers or Cause Safety doubt in General Public . Answer is No


Kargil was a bad Adventure if you analyze it properly both sides bled for Nothing & Trust further deteriorated. Actually India don't vacate posts now even in Winter so same is not possible again.

The LOC is ridiculously well guarded, and the army is obviously not spread thin as they have another 500,000+ troops in reserve.

Also, the Osama Bin Laden incident was likely done with Pakistani cooperation to some degree, and was not along the most well guarded border in the world. Not to mention it was America, the worlds top dog in military tech. India is nowhere near as powerful, nor was it selecting a target as easy, and to top it off it had no inside help.

Well, your army and government say it lasted several hours. So yeah, I hope you don't believe that nonsense about "surgical strikes" anymore.

Do you really think this big a breach would be easy to hide? Villagers themselves say nothing happened.

 

[war&peace]

Just as then so is now. Take a hint: it is an accepted fact that in a very few years from now, Chinese military technology will be at the same level as that of Russia & America. In a lot of cases it already is. Now, China has already invested $50 billion in Pakistan via CPEC. With many more billions set to be invested in the coming years/decades. It was thanks to China that Pakistan became a nuclear weapons state, that too when China was not a superpower. Now China is a superpower.

China is more advanced than Russia in electronics and leads the world in supercomputing facilities essential for the design of futuristic weapon systems like 5th and 6th gen. aircraft, UAVs and UCAVs. China's J20 and J-31 will become operational before Russian Pak-Fa T50 as China has access to more advanced electronics and the computational power to perform complex aero-thermodynamic calculations

 

[Zain Malik]

Simple. There will be no Pakistan left and major damage to India but it will survive.

Wah wah wah.....!!!

 

[Soumitra]

Please, give me sources about these claims I have made Bold.

Claim 1 there is a Burqa ban in some European Country and Pakistanis are the most aggrieved.

You can check out the responses of Pakistanis on many threads on Burqa Ban
https://defence.pk/threads/debating-the-burqa.407425/
https://defence.pk/threads/bulgaria-imposes-burqa-ban.453042/
https://defence.pk/threads/burqa-ba...majority-countries-feel-about-women’s.450246/
https://defence.pk/threads/burqa-ba...force-muslims-face-fines-up-to-10-000.438340/
https://defence.pk/threads/no-ban-on-sikh-turbans-only-on-burqas-says-france.420597/

Claim 2 A film which is not even released in Pakistan and there are riots all across the country in which 100's lose there life

Pakistan has witnessed widespread protests all across the country.[62] On September 14, security forces clashed with demonstrators outside the U.S. embassy in Islamabad over the anti-Islam film.[63] Protesters called for the execution of the filmmaker and urged Islamabad to close the US Embassy and expel its diplomats.[64] In the eastern city of Lahore, demonstrators burned the US flag outside the U.S. consulate and shouted slogans against the United States and Israel. On September 16, Voice of America News reported that police fired tear gas and water cannon at hundreds of demonstrators as they approached the heavily guarded consulate in the southern city of Karachi.[65] On September 19, a businessman who was unwilling to participate in the protests was charged for blasphemy.[11] On September 20, CNN reported that protests continued in Karachi, where according to a police official about "100 small children" repeated anti-American slogans during a protest.[66] Video showed children repeating an adult voice, "Death to America" and "Any friend of America is a traitor." The children, between the ages of 6 and 8, demonstrated across from the Karachi Press Club, led by "at least four teachers."[67] In Islamabad, police used tear gas and fired warning shots into the air to disperse the crowd. Islamabad Police Chief Bin Yamin said eight police were injured.[citation needed] On September 21, a public holiday was held in Pakistan as protests under the banner of "Love our prophet" were held across the country. The newspaper Dawn reported that at least 23 people were killed during the day.[68][69] In Karachi, a crowd of 15,000 torched "six cinemas, two banks, a KFC and 5 police vehicles" whilst some fired on police, killing two police officers.[3] It was further reported that 10 of the protesters were shot dead afterwards.[3] Meanwhile in Peshawar, four protesters and a policeman were killed.[3] Ghulam Ahmed Bilour, a Pakistani cabinet minister has announced a $100,000 bounty for killing Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. The Pakistani government has sought to distance itself from this award. Some British MPs have called for a ban on Bilour's visits to Britain.[70] On September 23, a rampaging mob of protesters in Mardan reportedly "set on fire the church, St Paul's high school, a library, a computer laboratory and houses of four clergymen, including Bishop Peter Majeed." and went on to rough up Zeeshan Chand, the pastor's son.[12][71]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_Innocence_of_Muslims

Also, Israel is an illegitimate state. This is why we will never recognise it, at the first opportunity it should be removed. Hopefully through peace, but if violence is necessary so be it, they have inflicted terrible pain to Palestine and want to destroy the Muslim world, at one point they wanted to bomb our nuclear installations.

Who has given you the right to say whether the state is legitimate or illegitimate? The global body of Nations (the UN) recognizes Israel as a state. Many muslim countries have diplomatic relations with Israel. Infact Israel and Pakistan are probably the only two states in the world formed on basis of religion. Now you may have differences with Israel and may consider it as an enemy but you cant say it is illegitimate. The only 2 reasons I can think of for enmity between Israel and Pakistan are
(1) The alleged plot to attack your nuclear plant at Kahuta - That plot did not proceed beyond planning stage. It was never implemented. And India was also supposed to be an important part of the plot. India and Pakistan have had a long standing fued and we even broke your country but you have not cut off diplomatic ties with us

(2) The conflict between Israel and Palestine. Well to think of it this actually proves my point - Pakistan considers itself to be a thekedar of Islam. That is why it does not have diplomatic ties with Israel.

Another thing I would like to say is before you bring up us complaining about disrespect towards our prophet, look at your own country where they kill people for eating cows and go as far as to drink their urine.

I dont support lynching people for eating beef but the fact of the matter is that Beef is banned in many Indian State. Infact it is part of our constitution (though not a mandatory part but directive principle of state policy). I am however talking of things which dont happen in your country and still Pakistanis take violent offence

As for Burqa's, people should be allowed to wear them, they pose no threat as terrorists have never used them.

In your country itself in Lal Masjid Seige Abdul Aziz was captured trying to escape disguised as a woman wearing a burqa

Also even terrorists like ISIS have aid burqa is a security threat and banned it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aws-Islamic-garb-buildings-SECURITY-RISK.html

 

[marj666]

Claim 1 there is a Burqa ban in some European Country and Pakistanis are the most aggrieved.

You can check out the responses of Pakistanis on many threads on Burqa Ban
https://defence.pk/threads/debating-the-burqa.407425/
https://defence.pk/threads/bulgaria-imposes-burqa-ban.453042/
https://defence.pk/threads/burqa-bans-as-debate-rages-in-europe-survey-shows-how-muslim-majority-countries-feel-about-women’s.450246/
https://defence.pk/threads/burqa-ba...force-muslims-face-fines-up-to-10-000.438340/
https://defence.pk/threads/no-ban-on-sikh-turbans-only-on-burqas-says-france.420597/

Claim 2 A film which is not even released in Pakistan and there are riots all across the country in which 100's lose there life

Pakistan has witnessed widespread protests all across the country.[62] On September 14, security forces clashed with demonstrators outside the U.S. embassy in Islamabad over the anti-Islam film.[63] Protesters called for the execution of the filmmaker and urged Islamabad to close the US Embassy and expel its diplomats.[64] In the eastern city of Lahore, demonstrators burned the US flag outside the U.S. consulate and shouted slogans against the United States and Israel. On September 16, Voice of America News reported that police fired tear gas and water cannon at hundreds of demonstrators as they approached the heavily guarded consulate in the southern city of Karachi.[65] On September 19, a businessman who was unwilling to participate in the protests was charged for blasphemy.[11] On September 20, CNN reported that protests continued in Karachi, where according to a police official about "100 small children" repeated anti-American slogans during a protest.[66] Video showed children repeating an adult voice, "Death to America" and "Any friend of America is a traitor." The children, between the ages of 6 and 8, demonstrated across from the Karachi Press Club, led by "at least four teachers."[67] In Islamabad, police used tear gas and fired warning shots into the air to disperse the crowd. Islamabad Police Chief Bin Yamin said eight police were injured.[citation needed] On September 21, a public holiday was held in Pakistan as protests under the banner of "Love our prophet" were held across the country. The newspaper Dawn reported that at least 23 people were killed during the day.[68][69] In Karachi, a crowd of 15,000 torched "six cinemas, two banks, a KFC and 5 police vehicles" whilst some fired on police, killing two police officers.[3] It was further reported that 10 of the protesters were shot dead afterwards.[3] Meanwhile in Peshawar, four protesters and a policeman were killed.[3] Ghulam Ahmed Bilour, a Pakistani cabinet minister has announced a $100,000 bounty for killing Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. The Pakistani government has sought to distance itself from this award. Some British MPs have called for a ban on Bilour's visits to Britain.[70] On September 23, a rampaging mob of protesters in Mardan reportedly "set on fire the church, St Paul's high school, a library, a computer laboratory and houses of four clergymen, including Bishop Peter Majeed." and went on to rough up Zeeshan Chand, the pastor's son.[12][71]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_Innocence_of_Muslims



Who has given you the right to say whether the state is legitimate or illegitimate? The global body of Nations (the UN) recognizes Israel as a state. Many muslim countries have diplomatic relations with Israel. Infact Israel and Pakistan are probably the only two states in the world formed on basis of religion. Now you may have differences with Israel and may consider it as an enemy but you cant say it is illegitimate. The only 2 reasons I can think of for enmity between Israel and Pakistan are
(1) The alleged plot to attack your nuclear plant at Kahuta - That plot did not proceed beyond planning stage. It was never implemented. And India was also supposed to be an important part of the plot. India and Pakistan have had a long standing fued and we even broke your country but you have not cut off diplomatic ties with us

(2) The conflict between Israel and Palestine. Well to think of it this actually proves my point - Pakistan considers itself to be a thekedar of Islam. That is why it does not have diplomatic ties with Israel.



I dont support lynching people for eating beef but the fact of the matter is that Beef is banned in many Indian State. Infact it is part of our constitution (though not a mandatory part but directive principle of state policy). I am however talking of things which dont happen in your country and still Pakistanis take violent offence



In your country itself in Lal Masjid Seige Abdul Aziz was captured trying to escape disguised as a woman wearing a burqa

Also even terrorists like ISIS have aid burqa is a security threat and banned it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aws-Islamic-garb-buildings-SECURITY-RISK.html

claim#1; if rights of Muslims are being taken from them in any part of world the majority of Muslims feel for them ,so what, we should stop supporting Muslims why???
claim#2: You forgot about what happened when in "X men apocalypse" , when the villain says I am known by many names"Ram" etc etc how people of India reacted,need I remind you that this was only one line....
About Israel, that's is a false occupation of Muslims holy place,.and if we have to keep the UN in mind then why don't you keep in mind the resolutions passed by UN for Kahmir

 

[Soumitra]

claim#1; if rights of Muslims are being taken from them in any part of world the majority of Muslims feel for them ,so what, we should stop supporting Muslims why???

That was my original question. Do Pakistanis consider themselves the thekedars of Islam and Muslims everywhere on this planet?

claim#2: You forgot about what happened when in "X men apocalypse" , when the villain says I am known by many names"Ram" etc etc how people of India reacted,need I remind you that this was only one line....

Remind me what happened? I dont remember any large scale riots and killings. There were maybe a few hundred people who protested against that line. Peaceful protests, marches, internet memes are part and parcel of democracy. I was telling specially about large scale riots and killings over a movie which was not even released in Pakistan. BTW X Men Apocalypse released in India and earned crores of rupees

About Israel, that's is a false occupation of Muslims holy place,.and if we have to keep the UN in mind then why don't you keep in mind the resolutions passed by UN for Kahmir

This is off topic but Muslims were not the original inhabitant of the lands and jeruselum is holy to jews also. Regarding UN resolutions they are Non Binding resolutions and the preconditions regarding that resolution have not been met. Again this is off topic

 

[marj666]

That was my original question. Do Pakistanis consider themselves the thekedars of Islam and Muslims everywhere on this planet?
So according to you we shouldn't raise our voices when we see people's basic rights being taken. What kind of silly argument is that , even if only Pakistani's Muslims are raising their voices, explain your logic to me.....


Remind me what happened? I dont remember any large scale riots and killings. There were maybe a few hundred people who protested against that line. Peaceful protests, marches, internet memes are part and parcel of democracy. I was telling specially about large scale riots and killings over a movie which was not even released in Pakistan. BTW X Men Apocalypse released in India and earned crores of rupees



This is off topic but Muslims were not the original inhabitant of the lands and jeruselum is holy to jews also. Regarding UN resolutions they are Non Binding resolutions and the preconditions regarding that resolution have not been met. Again this is off topic

That was my original question. Do Pakistanis consider themselves the thekedars of Islam and Muslims everywhere on this planet?


Remind me what happened? I dont remember any large scale riots and killings. There were maybe a few hundred people who protested against that line. Peaceful protests, marches, internet memes are part and parcel of democracy. I was telling specially about large scale riots and killings over a movie which was not even released in Pakistan. BTW X Men Apocalypse released in India and earned crores of rupees



This is off topic but Muslims were not the original inhabitant of the lands and jeruselum is holy to jews also. Regarding UN resolutions they are Non Binding resolutions and the preconditions regarding that resolution have not been met. Again this is off topic

I pressed the post button .........
So according to you we shouldn't raise our voice when we see people's basic rights being taken away,What kind of silly argument is that ,even if only Pakistani Muslims are raising the issue, explain your logic to me...
All I know about Bollywood is when some film get banned or when people protest against it ,
Hindus seem to really hate relationship between Muslim guy and Hindu woman,what does that say about Hindus and we all know about so called love jihad . Coming on to the topic very excited people get out of bounds but you clearly seem not to understand Muslims and the the matters sensitive to them ,you may call us conservative etc , though Pakistanis have a history to burn whether protesting for anything,
Coming on Israel we don't consider UN anything when it comes to our religion or anyone for that , you do know that it's a religious matter for us

 

[Soumitra]

I pressed the post button .........
So according to you we shouldn't raise our voice when we see people's basic rights being taken away,What kind of silly argument is that ,even if only Pakistani Muslims are raising the issue, explain your logic to me...
All I know about Bollywood is when some film get banned or when people protest against it ,
Hindus seem to really hate relationship between Muslim guy and Hindu woman,what does that say about Hindus and we all know about so called love jihad . Coming on to the topic very excited people get out of bounds but you clearly seem not to understand Muslims and the the matters sensitive to them ,you may call us conservative etc , though Pakistanis have a history to burn whether protesting for anything,
Coming on Israel we don't consider UN anything when it comes to our religion or anyone for that , you do know that it's a religious matter for us

I guess the major difference between Hindus and Muslims is that Muslims are more religious minded and conservative as compared to Hindus. You will find millions of Hindus who will probably visit a temple once or twice a year who will celebrate only major festivals like diwali and holi. There are more agnostic Hindus as compared to agnostic Muslims

 

[Sneaker]

There will be no Hindu name of nation and country in the world if Pakistan first strike.

Singapore, Nepal, Bangladesh, Srilanka, Bhutan all will be destroyed by your puny nukes? may be, given your missiles are "highly accurate"...

 

[Hamza913]

Claim 1 there is a Burqa ban in some European Country and Pakistanis are the most aggrieved.

You can check out the responses of Pakistanis on many threads on Burqa Ban
https://defence.pk/threads/debating-the-burqa.407425/
https://defence.pk/threads/bulgaria-imposes-burqa-ban.453042/
https://defence.pk/threads/burqa-bans-as-debate-rages-in-europe-survey-shows-how-muslim-majority-countries-feel-about-women’s.450246/
https://defence.pk/threads/burqa-ba...force-muslims-face-fines-up-to-10-000.438340/
https://defence.pk/threads/no-ban-on-sikh-turbans-only-on-burqas-says-france.420597/

Claim 2 A film which is not even released in Pakistan and there are riots all across the country in which 100's lose there life

Pakistan has witnessed widespread protests all across the country.[62] On September 14, security forces clashed with demonstrators outside the U.S. embassy in Islamabad over the anti-Islam film.[63] Protesters called for the execution of the filmmaker and urged Islamabad to close the US Embassy and expel its diplomats.[64] In the eastern city of Lahore, demonstrators burned the US flag outside the U.S. consulate and shouted slogans against the United States and Israel. On September 16, Voice of America News reported that police fired tear gas and water cannon at hundreds of demonstrators as they approached the heavily guarded consulate in the southern city of Karachi.[65] On September 19, a businessman who was unwilling to participate in the protests was charged for blasphemy.[11] On September 20, CNN reported that protests continued in Karachi, where according to a police official about "100 small children" repeated anti-American slogans during a protest.[66] Video showed children repeating an adult voice, "Death to America" and "Any friend of America is a traitor." The children, between the ages of 6 and 8, demonstrated across from the Karachi Press Club, led by "at least four teachers."[67] In Islamabad, police used tear gas and fired warning shots into the air to disperse the crowd. Islamabad Police Chief Bin Yamin said eight police were injured.[citation needed] On September 21, a public holiday was held in Pakistan as protests under the banner of "Love our prophet" were held across the country. The newspaper Dawn reported that at least 23 people were killed during the day.[68][69] In Karachi, a crowd of 15,000 torched "six cinemas, two banks, a KFC and 5 police vehicles" whilst some fired on police, killing two police officers.[3] It was further reported that 10 of the protesters were shot dead afterwards.[3] Meanwhile in Peshawar, four protesters and a policeman were killed.[3] Ghulam Ahmed Bilour, a Pakistani cabinet minister has announced a $100,000 bounty for killing Nakoula Basseley Nakoula. The Pakistani government has sought to distance itself from this award. Some British MPs have called for a ban on Bilour's visits to Britain.[70] On September 23, a rampaging mob of protesters in Mardan reportedly "set on fire the church, St Paul's high school, a library, a computer laboratory and houses of four clergymen, including Bishop Peter Majeed." and went on to rough up Zeeshan Chand, the pastor's son.[12][71]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_Innocence_of_Muslims



Who has given you the right to say whether the state is legitimate or illegitimate? The global body of Nations (the UN) recognizes Israel as a state. Many muslim countries have diplomatic relations with Israel. Infact Israel and Pakistan are probably the only two states in the world formed on basis of religion. Now you may have differences with Israel and may consider it as an enemy but you cant say it is illegitimate. The only 2 reasons I can think of for enmity between Israel and Pakistan are
(1) The alleged plot to attack your nuclear plant at Kahuta - That plot did not proceed beyond planning stage. It was never implemented. And India was also supposed to be an important part of the plot. India and Pakistan have had a long standing fued and we even broke your country but you have not cut off diplomatic ties with us

(2) The conflict between Israel and Palestine. Well to think of it this actually proves my point - Pakistan considers itself to be a thekedar of Islam. That is why it does not have diplomatic ties with Israel.



I dont support lynching people for eating beef but the fact of the matter is that Beef is banned in many Indian State. Infact it is part of our constitution (though not a mandatory part but directive principle of state policy). I am however talking of things which dont happen in your country and still Pakistanis take violent offence



In your country itself in Lal Masjid Seige Abdul Aziz was captured trying to escape disguised as a woman wearing a burqa

Also even terrorists like ISIS have aid burqa is a security threat and banned it
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aws-Islamic-garb-buildings-SECURITY-RISK.html

Claim 1: You got those sources from a Pakistani website, so no sh*t there will be Pakistanis talking about it, what are you stupid? Give me some real, hard evidence like a poll.

Claim 2: Hundreds of people didn't lose their lives, so you are wrong.

Israel is an illegitimate state, they are immigrants who went and made their own illegitimate state and oppressed the local population, I have every right to despise them. And I don't care if they never implemented their nuclear attack, the mere thought of it is enough to make me hate them 10x more. Also, India has never "broken" Pakistan, and no 1971 doesn't count since you joined in after more than half a year of fighting. Not to mention India still suffered higher casualties. Call us what you want, but we won't support Israel.

So you say it's wrong for Pakistanis to merely protest against insults of our religion, but won't say that beef should be legal all across India? Wow, that's pretty low.

As for those examples you have given, they don't prove burkha's should be banned at all.

 

[hell9214]

Idiot, who even knows 'parsi' faith today? Hell, there's no even demographic reports on them because they are an utter, irrelevant cult. There are cults worshipping ancient greek gods today as well--do we think ancient Greek gods are still relevant?

If you are willing to become a backwater, unknown, irrelevant religion going from 1 billion followers to having couple of millions--that too scattered as minorities all over the world with no identity of their own...you are welcome you ugly hindu

Majority of hindus in West don't even give a shit about their stupid mythical bullsh!t called hinduism. Surveys show that huge number of "hindus" don't even believe in God or any religion. They are just indians abroad.

Look PEW's report on religion in US.

Anyways, I am done wasting my time with a garbage collector like you. F*ck off now

I think u r dumb nd illiterate person who don't know anything nd jst opening ur mouth to convence ur ego if u don't know about parsi Thn u have to go school again nd ur saying Hindus a illiterate people so I will tell u that when the time ur Islam is NT in existence the Hindus start writing a book which is know now as oldest book or first book ever written in history nd Islam is jst like baby in the world Hinduism is the oldest religion of the world we have tought all other that what is religion.
Nd get some knowledge frm ur madarsa India is NT only nation where Hindus live they r in Bangladesh Nepal Myanmar Philippines Malaysia nd even in Pakistan... nd also Cambodia have one of the biggest temple or religious place in the world.... soo toilet cleaner go take some knowledge Thn come in argument...

Simple, Pakistan will wipe india of the face of the planet as we have had the ability to produce Fusion Bombs, H-bombs and thermonuclear weapons since at least the start of 2011:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

indian military high command know this fact very well which is why they were powerless to attack Pakistan after mumbai 2008.

So what we also have all type of technology nd if u think we don't have Thn u r fool coz u cnt able to recognize that India made this weapon before Pakistan so what u think India have progressed in it... nd u know India have jst made a nuclear reactor which work on thorium which is alternative of uranium so u think how much India produced a bomb

Now if think India will wait fr attack frm Pakistan in case of war Thn u r in dream... there was many chance that India will attack 1st with there nuclear bomb coz India never signed any treaty lolol......

[Q"PAKISTANFOREVER, post: 8786513, member: 171098"]All the above is mere conjecture and indian propaganda. Pakistan is actually militarily much more advanced than what is shown in the public arena. That's why indians confidently said pre-May 1998 that it was impossible for Pakistan to EVER become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. Just as then so is now. Take a hint: it is an accepted fact that in a very few years from now, Chinese military technology will be at the same level as that of Russia & America. In a lot of cases it already is. Now, China has already invested $50 billion in Pakistan via CPEC. With many more billions set to be invested in the coming years/decades. It was thanks to China that Pakistan became a nuclear weapons state, that too when China was not a superpower. Now China is a superpower. China wants to protect it's investment & strategic intetests in Pakistan. For that reason Pakistan already has access to top of the line Chinese weapons systems which can more than adequately protect us from india and in fact give Pakistan an offensive capability. That's why indian military high command did not attack Pakistan after mumbai 2008. The semantics of Pakistan's advanced weapons systems will be revealed as & when required. Just as it was in May 1998.[/QUOTE]

Lolol... I really laugh when I hear that China will want to protect its 50 billion dollars by attacking India... u dumb don't know about that u want to ignore it that China have investment of about 70 billion or more Thn that so, frm ur logic China want to save 50 billion nd destroying 70 billion investment lol if u believe in that Thn u r terafic nd inarguable...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I haven't met a single practising Hindu in my life.

It would be too much to expect a true devout to understand Hinduism or Dharma. No offence meant.
Anyway, you just won't get it. Not in a forum and certainly not with a pre-programmed mind.

 

[I.R.A]

First I don't understand how Pakistan and india can go to a nuclear war, call me an idiot but I haven't seen any big shields that engulf Pakistan india region only and fallout of nukes going off won't affect others in this region ........ Iran, Afghanistan, China, Bangladesh, Nepal etc .............. for me the reality remains we share air and most of the water and then we have ocean belts too. So nukes going off for me is quite a complex issue to understand and I don't want to think more about it as I don't have a red button on my keyboard to press.

But if you push us, we will make sure Islam will be wiped off the face of the subcontinent. Clean. For posterity. Have no doubt about that my friend.

We will right a historical wrong. And make sure there is zero desert contaminant on our sacred soil moving forward.

Yeah @Oscar this is for you too buddy. Amrika mein baith kar bachao bachao gaana.

@User @Zibago for you too brothers. Just so we understand each other ....

Well for your emotional rant .............. if it were the ages of swords I would have your blood at the tip of mine. This is to reiterate and confirm that we are clear on mutual feeling about each other. Parsi were beaten, their king and his court humiliated, their empire perished to be found in pages of history books only ............. take all your time but its not going to come back as it was, we are still here with our desert and lizards.

So you tagged me on Oct 5, I never got any notification for this ............... yar it's been boring talking to other indians they don't have class like you seriously.