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What If the China Bubble Bursts?
By KEN MILLER Monday, Oct. 17, 2011

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What's the most important economic question in the world today? One contender would certainly be whether the euro will collapse. Another might be whether the U.S. will plunge into a double-dip recession. But a third, and possibly the most important over the long term, is whether China can find its way out of the biggest housing bubble ever created.
It may seem strange to Westerners, who hear so much about the rise of Asia and growing Chinese competitiveness. But like U.S. Republicans who try to "starve the beast" by cutting government spending, the Chinese Communist Party has been attempting to put a damper on the debt-fueled real estate boom that is at the heart of the nation's economic miracle. This is part of a deliberate attempt that is meant to rejigger the Chinese economy into one that relies more on a domestic service sector and less on manufacturing and exports. If, however, the party's efforts result in a precipitous drop in real estate values, multinational corporations whose revenue and earnings growth are tied to China could be hard hit. And the U.S. could be thrown back into recession.
(See pictures of China's 90 years of communism.)
The world has to care about Chinese growth, since it is an important driver of the global economy. China contributed 19% of the world's economic growth in 2010, and that's expected to increase to 24% this year. China's growing strength is essential to both the U.S. and European recoveries.
While Washington has sweated through its partisan debates on budget balancing and economists have bickered over solutions to our low-growth and high-unemployment problems, the Chinese boom of the past several decades has blasted ahead without a glitch. Much of that boom is wrapped up in real estate. In the first six months of this year, Chinese investment in real estate was up 32.9% compared with the same period in 2010, and China's economy is expected to grow more than 9% this year, about equal to its average during the post — Deng Xiaoping era of "communism with Chinese characteristics."
The popular narrative is that China's rise from nowhere in 1978 to its position today as the world's second largest economy has been fueled by cheap labor. While this is one factor, cheap capital and land have been as important. Most Chinese, who are huge savers, have little choice but to put their money in bank accounts that pay interest lower than the rate of inflation; these funds are then channeled into state-owned enterprises whose capital expenditures create the factories and buildings on which the Chinese miracle has been built.
(See pictures of China's cutting-edge architecture.)
But the Chinese are pretty smart about money. They see the fortunes the elites have made by buying land at bargain prices and developing it. Ordinary individuals cannot get in on the ground floor to reap the obscene profits made by well-connected officials who facilitate purchases from historical occupants, but they are permitted to invest in real estate at later stages of development, and their wealth grows every year. Anyone who's spent more than a day or two in China knows that real estate is a popular preoccupation. Apartment flipping is all the rage; real estate prices have tripled in the past five years.
The question is whether the building bubble — not only in housing but in commercial property as well — is about to burst. Everywhere you go in China, you see new airports and high-speed train lines under construction; see-through apartment buildings whose empty units loom unilluminated in the night; beautiful underutilized roads, bridges and tunnels; and newly risen ghost towns waiting for occupants. One such town, Kangbashi, in Inner Mongolia, has everything a city needs, including investors who have bought apartments on spec. Yet it remains unoccupied, as reported last year in this magazine. Why does China keep building? Because building creates jobs and wealth for those who are associated with all that development.
Right after Mao came to power in 1949, China experimented briefly with driving growth through internal consumption, but this led to a flight of capital and dependence on foreign borrowing that scared the leadership. The party decided to focus on production and exports fueled by state capital expenditure. The factories that churned out made-in-China goods and the infrastructure that supported the factories encouraged the building boom that has culminated in a glut of high-rises all over the Middle Kingdom.
(See pictures of Chinese actors impersonating Chairman Mao Zedong.)
The problem today is that this model, which has worked so well for over three decades, is showing signs of fatigue. Factories that make things the world wants were built long ago (and factories in many other parts of Asia can now churn out goods more cheaply than China). Returns on investment have been declining.
Despite undrinkable water and unbreathable air in many parts of the country, the party continues to enjoy widespread support; its p.r. machine emphasizes its efforts to redress China's humiliation at the hands of the West in the 19th and 20th centuries. Even intellectuals who gripe about personal-freedom and civil rights issues seem to do so through a filter of sincere patriotism. Unfortunately, the strains caused by hell-bent growth are starting to show up everywhere. Mass protests of party abuses — often the taking of land without just compensation — have been rising so steadily that the government did not publish the number of them last year. At government facilities in many regions of the country, there have been explosions set off by citizens so disaffected that they don't care about the consequences.

Beijing knows it's time to change strategy. The party's latest five-year plan shows that it wants to shift away from the old export-and-building-boom model to one that relies more on domestic demand for goods and services. But as it is finding out, this is easier said than done.
One problem the authorities have run into is their inability to stop cheap capital from flowing into state-owned enterprises. These businesses use the money they borrow to invest directly in real estate or lend to others who do so. The business elites owe their management positions to the party, and they continue to arrange access to cheap capital, which allows them to grow their profits while improving their standing in the hierarchy. If the party's attempt to rein in the easy money flowing to state-owned enterprises results in a dramatic decline in property values, the outcome could be an earthquake in the Chinese financial system that would be felt in the U.S.
(See what Asia can really teach America.)
In the past, loans made by state banks to big government-related businesses created a significant amount of bad debt that had to be written off. In 1998 and 2004 — 05, a total of about $500 billion was classified as nonperforming loans (which state officials transferred into special investment vehicles in an attempt to create the appearance of containing the problem). But because the state, which owns the biggest banks — and thus the people's savings — ultimately pays the price of the write-off, households bear the cost of the cleanup.
There are rumors around the country that another big round of write-offs is imminent. If Beijing is serious about moving to a consumption model, imposing the cost of these bad loans on citizens again will be a serious impediment to that goal. Household income as a percentage of GDP has been declining in China for almost a decade, and it's hard to see what the people are going to use to buy stuff, even if wages rise, if they have to keep paying for bailouts and can't earn anything on their savings. It is one thing for the government to lower taxes on consumer goods, as it recently did, but unless it can reverse the decline in household income as a percentage of GDP, the people won't spend.
Another problem Beijing has in moving to a new growth model is local and provincial governments' addiction to revenue from land sales. According to the Ministry of Finance, land sales totaled $500 billion in 2010, more than double the amount of the previous year. Because provincial officials are promoted on the basis of their GDP-growth figures and because land sales are an important part of local revenue, it's difficult to curb the enthusiasm of local officials for project development.
Of course, nothing is ever a bubble until it bursts. Even an empty city is not a convincing warning to those who remember that it took Shanghai many years to grow into the now booming Pudong. Although some of these beautiful, ubiquitous new bridges, roads, tunnels and buildings may be underused today, maybe they will prove to be just the catalyst needed to keep the economy driving forward when demand catches up, as the optimists argue.
(See pictures of China's high-speed rail.)
But if the bubble pops, it will have serious consequences in the U.S. America sold $92 billion in goods and services to China last year. If China succeeds in moving away from its model of cheap land and cheap capital and makes a smooth transition to an economy based more on domestic demand, hallelujah. But if Chinese land prices plummet, there will be less demand for raw materials and a steep decline in world commodity markets and global trade in general.
That could very easily lead to even higher unemployment in the West. The U.S. economy is already in the strange position of having cash-rich companies that are not spending or hiring. Imagine how much less inclined they will be to do so if they are frightened by a Chinese economic slowdown. And the U.S. government, already shedding jobs in the aftermath of the 2008 crisis, will be in no position to ride to the rescue.
Senior Chinese officials are secretly quite worried about a hard landing. Many observers say a sharp economic decline won't be permitted to happen before the change of leadership in 2012. But the Chinese stock market was not supposed to be allowed to crash in the run-up to the 2008 Beijing Olympics, and it did. The Chinese Communist Party is trying to engineer a delicate redefinition of how its economic model will work going forward. The last thing it needs right now is U.S. sanctions against Chinese imports. A more constructive approach, one that recognizes that the U.S. and China are in the same global economic boat together, would be for the U.S. to incentivize the export of technologies aimed at helping China grow its service sector. The U.S. needs an economically stable and growing China to buy not just its IOUs but also its goods and services.
Miller is managing partner of Keylink Capital International, a strategic financial adviser on international transactions
 
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China should let foreigner buy those houses.
 
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Japan economy gone down just from bubble real estate of years 1990s.
 
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hahaha, some losers are jealous of China. what u losers can do is only bs something like tienanmen、freedom、democracy, blablabla.:rofl:
But China has disappointed u everytime, and it will not be different this time.
 
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if china is a bubble then the entire western world economies and the indian economies are total ponzi schemes.
western economies and the indian economies are all based on debt based consumption.

people talk about china, but the biggest collapse is the indian debt based ponzi scheme.

chinese economy is based on savings and production, indian economy is based on the biggest debt based ponzi scheme. india has massive debts, massive deficits, that economy is a total wreck.

and ofcourse the gdp numbers produced by the indian regime cannot be trusted.

and the indian economy depends heavily on the chinese economy.

as jim rogers have said, the indian economy is very similar to the bernie madoff ponzi scheme.
i would expect the indian ponzi scheme to collapse before 2020.
u cant go into debt forever like india has, india will be the next greece.
 
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the entire indian economy is debt based consumption, its a total ponzi scheme.
the indian debt has increased faster than its 'gdp growth'.
india runs massive budget deficits every year, its runs massive trade deficits every year, add its debt to gdp is high and rising every year. india is not even a creditor nation, its still a debtor nation. and its going into more debt, thats a total ponzi scheme.

india is doing the EXACT same thing greece was doing, u can run a debt based ponzi scheme for only so long until the crap hits the fan. in a few years the indian debt to gdp will reach 100%. its all artificial 'growth'. just like the bernie madoff fund, its growing until the ponzi scheme comes to an end.
india will be the next greece, mark my words. jim rogers have been warning about the indian ponzi scheme.

watchout folks, greece will look like a picnic when the indian ponzi scheme ends.

its sad that the indian regime is lying about its so called 'growth'.
debt based economies end in tears, india is no different from the laws of economics. just ask greece.
 
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while I don't know enough about india economy to judge if his argument is right or wrong, the indian members seem to just pretend to be sacastic about it but none of them give any intellectual argument why he was wrong.

interesting
is petting each other's back the only thing you can come up?

India is a developing country, yet they tried to skip right to the end stage. Of a debt and deficit fueled consumption based economy.

China's boom is based on tangible things, such as production and exports, things you can hold in your hands. All of the previous global powers, such as Britain and the US, were trade surplus-nations during their rise.

It was only after they had already reached the top, that they started building up big trade deficits and huge debt. India is trying to skip right to that stage, without having reached the status of a developed country in the first place.

Now they have realized their mistake, they are trying to move "backwards" into mass manufacturing, the stage they were supposed to have "skipped". The industrial stage, is the one that can provide enormous numbers of jobs, and the required urbanization, to lay the path to becoming a developed economy. That is how it has always worked.
 
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China has a debt of 19% of GDP, India has a debt of 71% of GDP. List of sovereign states by public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If India doesn’t bust, it will never be China’s turn.

So, to some gleeful Indians: worry your economy first.

On the other side, there are two societies: one is full of homeless beggars lingering all over the country like dirty ghosts; the other has empty houses glistering all over the country like piles of gold. Frankly, I choose the second one, and anyone with normal brain and un-crooked mentality would choose the second one, too.
 
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the entire indian economy is debt based consumption, its a total ponzi scheme.
the indian debt has increased faster than its 'gdp growth'.
india runs massive budget deficits every year, its runs massive trade deficits every year, add its debt to gdp is high and rising every year. india is not even a creditor nation, its still a debtor nation. and its going into more debt, thats a total ponzi scheme.

india is doing the EXACT same thing greece was doing, u can run a debt based ponzi scheme for only so long until the crap hits the fan. in a few years the indian debt to gdp will reach 100%. its all artificial 'growth'. just like the bernie madoff fund, its growing until the ponzi scheme comes to an end.
india will be the next greece, mark my words. jim rogers have been warning about the indian ponzi scheme.

watchout folks, greece will look like a picnic when the indian ponzi scheme ends.

its sad that the indian regime is lying about its so called 'growth'.
debt based economies end in tears, india is no different from the laws of economics. just ask greece.

Man, do you even know the abcd of economics ?? Or you just know how to spell it ?? The fiscal deficit is5.1 percent of GDP in 2010-11. You think it is massive ?
 
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China has a debt of 19% of GDP, India has a debt of 71% of GDP. List of sovereign states by public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If India doesn’t bust, it will never be China’s turn.

So, to some gleeful Indians: worry your economy first.

On the other side, there are two societies: one is full of homeless beggars lingering all over the country like dirty ghosts; the other has empty houses glistering all over the country like piles of gold. Frankly, I choose the second one, and anyone with normal brain and un-crooked mentality would choose the second one, too.

Time to come out of your 'pit'

That 71 % debt to gdp ratio you are showing is domestic debt. Our external debt is 17% of GDP. We have a foreign debt of $306 billion and reserves $319 billion
 
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as jim rogers have said, the indian economy is very similar to the bernie madoff ponzi scheme.
i would expect the indian ponzi scheme to collapse before 2020.
u cant go into debt forever like india has, india will be the next greece.

You know what chinese ... stop trusting this Jim rogers blindly , Come see the progress India is making and you may change your perception about India !!!
 
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You know what chinese ... stop trusting this Jim rogers blindly , Come see the progress India is making and you may change your perception about India !!!

Jim Roger's never said that. He is just making it up ! Chinese are good at that. Making things up !
 
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